Man who shot cop-killer criticized by locals (C&P)
The stupidity of some people just amazes me.......
Passer-by's use of deadly force in question
By JOELLE FARRELL, Concord Monitor
Published: Tuesday, May. 15, 2007
Police officers interviewed Monday said they admired the actions of Gregory Floyd, who last Friday shot and killed a man who had shot Franconia Police Cpl. Bruce McKay and ran him over with his car.
Allenstown Police Chief Shaun Mulholland said he hopes a passer-by like Floyd would help him if he were in a similar circumstance.
"In small town America, it's good to know that citizens are there to help us," Mulholland said. "Because we can't do this job alone."
But some citizens think Floyd overstepped boundaries when he used lethal force to stop Liko Kenney, 24, who shot McKay after an altercation following a traffic stop.
"No one has a right to take a life, regardless of what happens," said Beth Starbird, 24, of Boscawen. "He should've tried to stop it or called for help."
Kevin Miller, 18, a business major at Plymouth State College, said Floyd couldn't have known who was at fault in the situation.
"How do you know the truth?" said Miller, who was out with friends at White Park in
Concord on Monday. "How does he know what really happened?"
Floyd, 49, of Easton, was driving with his son on Route 116 in Franconia last Friday evening when he came upon McKay and Kenney, according to the state attorney general's office. Floyd saw Kenney shoot McKay four times. When McKay collapsed, Kenney backed his car up over McKay, pinning him.
Floyd tried to use his car as a barricade between Kenney and McKay, according to police investigators. When that failed, he picked up McKay's gun from the ground and approached Kenney's vehicle. Floyd told his son, also named Gregory Floyd, to use McKay's police radio to call for help.
Floyd aimed the gun at Kenney and told him to put his gun down. When Kenney did not drop his gun, Floyd shot him, according to police investigators.
Several police officers praised Floyd's actions. If Floyd had not intervened and instead simply called for help, Kenney could have driven off and hurt more people, said Dave McCarthy, former executive major of the New Hampshire state police.
"This is a completely out of control situation," McCarthy said. "If this guy (Floyd) doesn't take action and (Kenney) goes down the road into a school house, what are we going to think about it then?"
McCarthy, who also served as the northern division commander for the state police during his 28 years in law enforcement, said if Floyd had called for help, it may not have come before Kenney got away. Kenney could have also shot and killed Floyd, he said.
"You're talking about Franconia," he said. "There are areas up there where the radio doesn't work, you can't get reception." He added, "The next police officer on scene would have done the same. I don't see anything wrong in what this person did."
Mulholland said he once needed help from passers-by when a drunken man resisted arrest and started fighting with him. They ended up wrestling and rolling on the ground, he said. The man was much larger than Mulholland, then a police officer in Raymond, and Mulholland knew that even if he could call for backup, it would take some time to arrive.
Luckily for Mulholland, three passers-by came to his aid and helped subdue the man.
"We don't have legions of police," he said. "There's no question about it. We do need help from the public."
Some citizens interviewed Monday wondered why Floyd didn't shoot Kenney in the leg or the arm, injuring him instead of killing him. But officers say if Kenney was sitting in his car, Floyd's only clear shot may have been from the shoulder up. Floyd also reportedly served in the Marine Corps. Members of the military and law enforcement are trained to shoot at the center of the body, and even then, they sometimes miss, McCarthy said. Aiming for a limb increases the risk of missing all together.
"There's no such thing as shooting to wound," McCarthy said.
Hillsboro Police Capt. David Roarick said, "We shoot to stop the threat. We're not trained to shoot to injure people. Had it been another police officer, they would have shot to prevent the threat."
But many local residents interviewed agreed that Floyd acted justly.
"I probably would have done the same - I hope I would, anyway," said Dennis Roy, 38, of Keene.
George Oickle, 38, a network administrator for the Coca-Cola Company who lives in Gilmanton, said if he came upon the same scene, he would assume Kenney would have no trouble killing again.
"If the guy reloads the gun, he's going to use it," Oickle said. "He just shot a cop. What's going to stop him from shooting me?"
Still, Oickle said the story of what happened Friday still doesn't make sense to him. "If (Kenney) ran the cop over, he was on his way out," he said. "So how does (Floyd) have time to stop him and shoot him?"
Greg Fischer, 34, a mortgage broker from Penacook, said he admires Floyd's bravery but doesn't know if he could do the same in the circumstances, because he has two young daughters, ages 3 and 6, at home.
"If I was a passer-by, there would be a cell phone call and concern for the officer that was down, certainly," he said. "But I don't think I'd have it in me."
Passer-by's use of deadly force in question
By JOELLE FARRELL, Concord Monitor
Published: Tuesday, May. 15, 2007
Police officers interviewed Monday said they admired the actions of Gregory Floyd, who last Friday shot and killed a man who had shot Franconia Police Cpl. Bruce McKay and ran him over with his car.
Allenstown Police Chief Shaun Mulholland said he hopes a passer-by like Floyd would help him if he were in a similar circumstance.
"In small town America, it's good to know that citizens are there to help us," Mulholland said. "Because we can't do this job alone."
But some citizens think Floyd overstepped boundaries when he used lethal force to stop Liko Kenney, 24, who shot McKay after an altercation following a traffic stop.
"No one has a right to take a life, regardless of what happens," said Beth Starbird, 24, of Boscawen. "He should've tried to stop it or called for help."
Kevin Miller, 18, a business major at Plymouth State College, said Floyd couldn't have known who was at fault in the situation.
"How do you know the truth?" said Miller, who was out with friends at White Park in
Concord on Monday. "How does he know what really happened?"
Floyd, 49, of Easton, was driving with his son on Route 116 in Franconia last Friday evening when he came upon McKay and Kenney, according to the state attorney general's office. Floyd saw Kenney shoot McKay four times. When McKay collapsed, Kenney backed his car up over McKay, pinning him.
Floyd tried to use his car as a barricade between Kenney and McKay, according to police investigators. When that failed, he picked up McKay's gun from the ground and approached Kenney's vehicle. Floyd told his son, also named Gregory Floyd, to use McKay's police radio to call for help.
Floyd aimed the gun at Kenney and told him to put his gun down. When Kenney did not drop his gun, Floyd shot him, according to police investigators.
Several police officers praised Floyd's actions. If Floyd had not intervened and instead simply called for help, Kenney could have driven off and hurt more people, said Dave McCarthy, former executive major of the New Hampshire state police.
"This is a completely out of control situation," McCarthy said. "If this guy (Floyd) doesn't take action and (Kenney) goes down the road into a school house, what are we going to think about it then?"
McCarthy, who also served as the northern division commander for the state police during his 28 years in law enforcement, said if Floyd had called for help, it may not have come before Kenney got away. Kenney could have also shot and killed Floyd, he said.
"You're talking about Franconia," he said. "There are areas up there where the radio doesn't work, you can't get reception." He added, "The next police officer on scene would have done the same. I don't see anything wrong in what this person did."
Mulholland said he once needed help from passers-by when a drunken man resisted arrest and started fighting with him. They ended up wrestling and rolling on the ground, he said. The man was much larger than Mulholland, then a police officer in Raymond, and Mulholland knew that even if he could call for backup, it would take some time to arrive.
Luckily for Mulholland, three passers-by came to his aid and helped subdue the man.
"We don't have legions of police," he said. "There's no question about it. We do need help from the public."
Some citizens interviewed Monday wondered why Floyd didn't shoot Kenney in the leg or the arm, injuring him instead of killing him. But officers say if Kenney was sitting in his car, Floyd's only clear shot may have been from the shoulder up. Floyd also reportedly served in the Marine Corps. Members of the military and law enforcement are trained to shoot at the center of the body, and even then, they sometimes miss, McCarthy said. Aiming for a limb increases the risk of missing all together.
"There's no such thing as shooting to wound," McCarthy said.
Hillsboro Police Capt. David Roarick said, "We shoot to stop the threat. We're not trained to shoot to injure people. Had it been another police officer, they would have shot to prevent the threat."
But many local residents interviewed agreed that Floyd acted justly.
"I probably would have done the same - I hope I would, anyway," said Dennis Roy, 38, of Keene.
George Oickle, 38, a network administrator for the Coca-Cola Company who lives in Gilmanton, said if he came upon the same scene, he would assume Kenney would have no trouble killing again.
"If the guy reloads the gun, he's going to use it," Oickle said. "He just shot a cop. What's going to stop him from shooting me?"
Still, Oickle said the story of what happened Friday still doesn't make sense to him. "If (Kenney) ran the cop over, he was on his way out," he said. "So how does (Floyd) have time to stop him and shoot him?"
Greg Fischer, 34, a mortgage broker from Penacook, said he admires Floyd's bravery but doesn't know if he could do the same in the circumstances, because he has two young daughters, ages 3 and 6, at home.
"If I was a passer-by, there would be a cell phone call and concern for the officer that was down, certainly," he said. "But I don't think I'd have it in me."
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The stupidy continues......
"It's really a big loss and we have a lot of community support and I think ... there's going to be a change coming out from all of this," Kenney told The Associated Press in a phone interview Wednesday night. "I'm a little bit concerned about the guy who shot Liko being out and about with a gun and a police scanner, for the safety of others. But I probably shouldn't get too involved right now."
"David Kenney was referring to Gregory Floyd, the passing motorist and ex-Marine who witnessed McKay's shooting. Floyd, who was in a pickup with his son, grabbed McKay's gun and shot Liko Kenney to death when he refused to put his gun down. Authorities quickly ruled the killing was justified."
http://www.boston.com/news/local/new_hampshire/articles/2007/05/16/kenneys_father_were_mourning/0 -
yeah, hes concerned about the law abiding citizen but not the murderous cop killers running loose. but then again out congress and president cares more about illegal aliens then law abiding citizens so go figure 0 -
quote:The stupidity of some people just amazes me.......
Prepare to continue to be amazed for the rest of your life! This country is in the toilet, and folks like us, are allowing it!0 -
Some citizens interviewed Monday wondered why Floyd didn't shoot Kenney in the leg or the arm, injuring him instead of killing him.
Because of "fortunes of war"
1 The police firearm may have malfunctioned on shot #2.
2. If he didn't kill Kenny, Kenny would have had time to react and kill Floyd and possibly Floyd's son
3. The police officer needed attention and Floyd didn't have time to play around.
Responce question; Next time there is a hostage situation would you mind showing me and the police how to do it right?0 -
The reads like something out of the onion. 0 -
In the interest of full disclosure, Floyd is a convicted felon and is therefore unable to lawfully possess a weapon 0 -
He picked up the cops gun,........what are they going to do, prosecute him for that? 0 -
Well of course he over did it. He should have wiggled his finger at the killer and said, "shame on you." Then invited him home for tea and crumpets. 0 -
Rack - I'm interested in reviewing your source for the material about him being an ex con.
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quote:Originally posted by Doug Wilson
Rack - I'm interested in reviewing your source for the material about him being an ex con.
Doug
Sure thing....I got all of that information from the www.boston.com article I referenced. Here are the paragraphs
"David Kenney was referring to Gregory Floyd, the passing motorist and ex-Marine who witnessed McKay's shooting. Floyd, who was in a pickup with his son, grabbed McKay's gun and shot Liko Kenney to death when he refused to put his gun down. Authorities quickly ruled the killing was justified.
Floyd once was convicted of assaulting a New Hampshire State trooper whom he once threatened to shoot between the eyes. He received a suspended sentence for that, according to court records and officials.
"I know you wear vests, so I would have put it right between the eyes," Floyd, an ex-Marine, told troopers, according to a state police affidavit.
Floyd, a convicted felon in Georgia, was charged 10 years ago in New Hampshire with illegal weapons possession. Those charges were later dismissed. Efforts to reach Floyd by telephone have been unsuccessful."0 -
I read where Floyd's New Hampshire charge of being a felon in possession of a firearm in '97 was dismissed because his attorney argued the offense he was convicted of in Georgia (marijuana possession) wouldn't have constituted a felony in NH when it occurred back in '81.
Also in '97 he was charged with threatening a meter reader with a gun, but this case has yet to come to trial.
In '98 Floyd was convicted of assaulting a NH state trooper and received 3 yrs. probation, during which time he was prohibited from possessing firearms.
His relations with the NH law enforcement community has been a bit rocky and his neigbors describe him as being somewhat of the local guy-you-don't-mess-with. They say he's known for his Rottweillers roaming the area and firing off guns in his yard.
IMHO, none of this matters. His use of deadly force in this incident was justifiable.
I see in this article where they say efforts to reach him by phone have been unsuccessful. The reports I've read say he's refusing to talk to anyone with the media about this and has his wife issue a warning over the phone not to call again. Sounds good to me.0 -
I hope there is a Gregory Floyd around if I ever need him. 0 -
I does sound as if Mr. Floyd has turned away from the "Dark Side!" Thats a plus! 0 -
quote:"No one has a right to take a life, regardless of what happens," said Beth Starbird, 24, of Boscawen. "He should've tried to stop it or called for help."
Kevin Miller, 18, a business major at Plymouth State College, said Floyd couldn't have known who was at fault in the situation.
"How do you know the truth?" said Miller, who was out with friends at White Park in Concord on Monday. "How does he know what really happened?"Note their ages - I think the term "young and retarded" applies here.
quote:Some citizens interviewed Monday wondered why Floyd didn't shoot Kenney in the leg or the arm, injuring him instead of killing him. I had someone say the same thing just the other day. We were talking about a different story, but he noted oh-so bitingly, "Oh yeah, because shooting them in the arm or the leg was out of the question."
I asked my coworker if he had ever fired a gun before or knew how difficult it was to shoot someone in the center of mass, much less a flailing, moving extremity in a stressful situation, and he said he'd seen it all the time on TV (no kidding).[xx(]
The ignorance of the anti-gun crowd coupled with their misplaced holier-than-thou false morality sickens me no end.0 -
i'd go with pickenup on this one.....& would hope to have the presence of mind & courage to do the same if need be 0 -
It's very hard to comprehend the fact that there are people in this world that are that stupid... 0
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