Chief Scott Knight, Chaska MN
Not wanting to hijack the other thread, I wonder if we as a gun community can get behind stopping a mouthpiece like this guy?
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=235152
The article:
By Kevin Johnson, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON - Law enforcement agencies across the country have been upgrading their firepower to deal with what they say is the increasing presence of high-powered weapons on the streets.
Scott Knight, chairman of the Firearms Committee of the International Association of Chiefs of Police, says an informal survey of about 20 departments revealed that since 2004 all of the agencies have either added weapons to officers' patrol units or have replaced existing weaponry with military-style arms.
Knight, police chief in Chaska, Minn., says the upgrades have occurred since a national ban on certain assault weapons expired in September 2004. The ban, passed in 1994, in part prohibited domestic gunmakers from producing semi-automatic weapons and ammunition dispensers holding more than 10 rounds.
"This (weapons upgrade) is being done with an eye to the absolute knowledge that more higher-caliber weapons are on the street since the expiration of the ban," Knight said. He said his own department of about 20 officers is in the midst of determining whether to upgrade its weapons.
Ron Stucker, criminal investigations chief of the Orange County Sheriff's Department in Florida, says the department has been rearming many of its deputies with assault weapons in the past two years.
Stucker says deputies are now "frequently" encountering assault weapons in local robberies and during simple traffic stops. Weapons seizures in Orlando have increased overall by 26% since 2004.
It was not immediately clear if assault weapons were driving the increase in weapons seizures or were directly linked to the county's record number of homicides in 2006, Stucker says.
In Houston, where homicides were up as much as 25% in 2006 over the previous year, Police Chief Harold Hurtt says the AK-47 assault rifle has become "kind of a weapon of choice" for warring gangs, major drug distributors and immigrant smugglers in a city that has become a major transit point for criminals.
"The reality on the street is that many of these weapons are readily available," says Hurtt, whose department began upgrading its weaponry with assault-style arms about three years ago before he arrived from Phoenix.
Last year, because of the escalation of violence and firepower on the street, Hurtt says he ordered patrol officers to wear body armor. Wearing armor had long been a matter of personal choice for officers.
The chief also is considering a proposal from officers to put 12-gauge shotguns back inside their patrol cars so they can be more accessible.
He said shotguns were moved to the car trunks when the cabs became crowded with laptop computers and other equipment.
Paul Erhardt, a spokesman for major gun manufacturer Sigarms, says the 2001 terrorist attacks, the violence following Hurricane Katrina and other high-profile incidents involving weapons contributed more to law enforcement's interest in rearming officers than any concerns raised by the expiring assault weapons ban. Erhardt's company outfits about 40% of the statewide law enforcement agencies in the USA.
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Maybe if we apply some pressure to these fools, they might think about what they are saying.
Chaska Herald online forum:[:D]
http://www.chaskaherald.com/node/888
I know I might get flamed for wanting to go after a LEO, but this guy is not a friend.
Don
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=235152
The article:
By Kevin Johnson, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON - Law enforcement agencies across the country have been upgrading their firepower to deal with what they say is the increasing presence of high-powered weapons on the streets.
Scott Knight, chairman of the Firearms Committee of the International Association of Chiefs of Police, says an informal survey of about 20 departments revealed that since 2004 all of the agencies have either added weapons to officers' patrol units or have replaced existing weaponry with military-style arms.
Knight, police chief in Chaska, Minn., says the upgrades have occurred since a national ban on certain assault weapons expired in September 2004. The ban, passed in 1994, in part prohibited domestic gunmakers from producing semi-automatic weapons and ammunition dispensers holding more than 10 rounds.
"This (weapons upgrade) is being done with an eye to the absolute knowledge that more higher-caliber weapons are on the street since the expiration of the ban," Knight said. He said his own department of about 20 officers is in the midst of determining whether to upgrade its weapons.
Ron Stucker, criminal investigations chief of the Orange County Sheriff's Department in Florida, says the department has been rearming many of its deputies with assault weapons in the past two years.
Stucker says deputies are now "frequently" encountering assault weapons in local robberies and during simple traffic stops. Weapons seizures in Orlando have increased overall by 26% since 2004.
It was not immediately clear if assault weapons were driving the increase in weapons seizures or were directly linked to the county's record number of homicides in 2006, Stucker says.
In Houston, where homicides were up as much as 25% in 2006 over the previous year, Police Chief Harold Hurtt says the AK-47 assault rifle has become "kind of a weapon of choice" for warring gangs, major drug distributors and immigrant smugglers in a city that has become a major transit point for criminals.
"The reality on the street is that many of these weapons are readily available," says Hurtt, whose department began upgrading its weaponry with assault-style arms about three years ago before he arrived from Phoenix.
Last year, because of the escalation of violence and firepower on the street, Hurtt says he ordered patrol officers to wear body armor. Wearing armor had long been a matter of personal choice for officers.
The chief also is considering a proposal from officers to put 12-gauge shotguns back inside their patrol cars so they can be more accessible.
He said shotguns were moved to the car trunks when the cabs became crowded with laptop computers and other equipment.
Paul Erhardt, a spokesman for major gun manufacturer Sigarms, says the 2001 terrorist attacks, the violence following Hurricane Katrina and other high-profile incidents involving weapons contributed more to law enforcement's interest in rearming officers than any concerns raised by the expiring assault weapons ban. Erhardt's company outfits about 40% of the statewide law enforcement agencies in the USA.
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Maybe if we apply some pressure to these fools, they might think about what they are saying.
Chaska Herald online forum:[:D]
http://www.chaskaherald.com/node/888
I know I might get flamed for wanting to go after a LEO, but this guy is not a friend.
Don
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Given that police-related shootings have gone on the rise, to use his own logic against him, maybe we should disarm the police?
And while I know you'll likely question whether or not I own guns, let me also note that I'm being sarcastic again, okay?0 -
quote:Originally posted by ElMuertoMonkey
Given that police-related shootings have gone on the rise, to use his own logic against him, maybe we should disarm the police?
And while I know you'll likely question whether or not I own guns, let me also note that I'm being sarcastic again, okay?
So follow that link and exhibit your best prose on the good people of Chaska, MN and their un American CLEO.[:D]
Don0 -
dongizmo,
Will do.[:D][8D]0 -
I'm sure I'll catch a massive ration of crap for this, since everybody seems to think their local guy is Sheriff Andy Griffith personified.
But I have never read a statement from a Sheriff, Police Chief, Police Commissioner, or anyone else in a leadership position in the law enforcement field unequivocally supporting the 2nd Amendment and RKBA.
On the other hand, I have read endless reports, including several from the National Association of Chiefs of Police in which guns and those who own them, legally or otherwise, are excoriated as the root of all crime in America.
People were asking in an earlier post what Jim Zumbo would do now that he's alienated much of his fan base.
I'd imagine he probably has a lot of fat-cat friends in high places to go on guided hunts with and talk about many guns they confiscated from the peasantry this week.0 -
My question is, why was body armor not required in Houston a long time ago? Yikes, I get nervous enough in some of the neighborhoods when I visit there, if I was a cop in Houston I'd sleep in my kevlar. I also wonder exactly what these 'high powered weapons' are that are appearing on the street. While an M4A1 carbine may not be high powered to me, the media throws all of it's names and phrases about the evil of the assault weapons into these stories, so you never really know what they are talking about. 0 -
"In Houston, where homicides were up as much as 25% in 2006 over the previous year..."
In Houston, the number of criminal refugees from New Orleans was up 25 per cent over the previous year. Wonder if that had something to do with the increased homicide rate.0 -
City council and mayors contact info:
http://www.chaskamn.com/cityhall/mayorandcouncil.htm
Mayor - Gary F. Van Eyll: 612-723-1048 or gvaneyll@chaska.net
Ward I - Randy Maluchnik: 952-368-4460 or randy@chaska.net
Ward II - Robert J. Lindall: 952-448-5586 or rlindall@kennedy-graven.com
Ward III - Chad R. Dockter: 612-710-0859 or cdockter@mn.rr.com
Ward IV - Jay Rohe: 612-770-1470 or jay.rohe@despatch.com
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Someone stated here they have never read anything from a police administrator where they supported the 2nd Amendment? They need to keep an eye on MY posts then... Yes, I'm one of those dirty, filthy, hated, police administrators and I DAMN SURE support the 2nd amendment and your right to carry laws... Thank you tho for lumping me in with every other police administrator in the USA... Oh, that's right when we COPS do that kind of 'lumping' it's, what's the word that get's us sued by folks all the time...? Uhhhh, I think it's PROFILING... Gimme a break. I know TONS of Sheriffs, Police Chiefs and others in the LEO field that support these issues publically AND privately. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by rmill
Someone stated here they have never read anything from a police administrator where they supported the 2nd Amendment? They need to keep an eye on MY posts then... Yes, I'm one of those dirty, filthy, hated, police administrators and I DAMN SURE support the 2nd amendment and your right to carry laws... Thank you tho for lumping me in with every other police administrator in the USA... Oh, that's right when we COPS do that kind of 'lumping' it's, what's the word that get's us sued by folks all the time...? Uhhhh, I think it's PROFILING... Gimme a break. I know TONS of Sheriffs, Police Chiefs and others in the LEO field that support these issues publically AND privately.
Then they need to start either being more vocal or going to the damn meetings, because the NACP, the national FOP, and many other police organizations have repeatedly stated their unequivocal support for more gun control, and their members are constantly being quoted by the news media, the anti's, and the politicians as such.
Maybe their point of view is being squelched by the pervasive Liberal media. It's a real possibility. But I can't help but generalize when there's never any counter-argument from the guys who DON'T think civilians with guns are a liability.
When an anti in our ranks went Judas and vilified a whole section of the gun owning community, the rest of us rose up and had him out on his ass within a week.
A decade's worth of support by the police orgs for every kind of gun control under the sun, and not a peep from within the ranks.
Don't blame me for pointing out an inconvenient truth.
And thank you for your support for 2AD/RKBA.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Bullzeye
quote:Originally posted by rmill
Someone stated here they have never read anything from a police administrator where they supported the 2nd Amendment? They need to keep an eye on MY posts then... Yes, I'm one of those dirty, filthy, hated, police administrators and I DAMN SURE support the 2nd amendment and your right to carry laws... Thank you tho for lumping me in with every other police administrator in the USA... Oh, that's right when we COPS do that kind of 'lumping' it's, what's the word that get's us sued by folks all the time...? Uhhhh, I think it's PROFILING... Gimme a break. I know TONS of Sheriffs, Police Chiefs and others in the LEO field that support these issues publically AND privately.
Then they need to start either being more vocal or going to the damn meetings, because the NACP, the national FOP, and many other police organizations have repeatedly stated their unequivocal support for more gun control, and their members are constantly being quoted by the news media, the anti's, and the politicians as such.
Maybe their point of view is being squelched by the pervasive Liberal media. It's a real possibility. But I can't help but generalize when there's never any counter-argument from the guys who DON'T think civilians with guns are a liability.
When an anti in our ranks went Judas and vilified a whole section of the gun owning community, the rest of us rose up and had him out on his ass within a week.
A decade's worth of support by the police orgs for every kind of gun control under the sun, and not a peep from within the ranks.
Don't blame me for pointing out an inconvenient truth.
And thank you for your support for 2AD/RKBA.
The majority of street officers are pro gun the Chiefs and higher officers have to answer to the politicians so they spout the party line. A Tulsa police officer was disciplined for showing up at a progun event in uniform but the cheifs had been at an antigun news event in uniform were not mentioned.0 -
quote:Originally posted by wipala
quote:Originally posted by Bullzeye
quote:Originally posted by rmill
Someone stated here they have never read anything from a police administrator where they supported the 2nd Amendment? They need to keep an eye on MY posts then... Yes, I'm one of those dirty, filthy, hated, police administrators and I DAMN SURE support the 2nd amendment and your right to carry laws... Thank you tho for lumping me in with every other police administrator in the USA... Oh, that's right when we COPS do that kind of 'lumping' it's, what's the word that get's us sued by folks all the time...? Uhhhh, I think it's PROFILING... Gimme a break. I know TONS of Sheriffs, Police Chiefs and others in the LEO field that support these issues publically AND privately.
Then they need to start either being more vocal or going to the damn meetings, because the NACP, the national FOP, and many other police organizations have repeatedly stated their unequivocal support for more gun control, and their members are constantly being quoted by the news media, the anti's, and the politicians as such.
Maybe their point of view is being squelched by the pervasive Liberal media. It's a real possibility. But I can't help but generalize when there's never any counter-argument from the guys who DON'T think civilians with guns are a liability.
When an anti in our ranks went Judas and vilified a whole section of the gun owning community, the rest of us rose up and had him out on his ass within a week.
A decade's worth of support by the police orgs for every kind of gun control under the sun, and not a peep from within the ranks.
Don't blame me for pointing out an inconvenient truth.
And thank you for your support for 2AD/RKBA.
The majority of street officers are pro gun the Chiefs and higher officers have to answer to the politicians so they spout the party line. A Tulsa police officer was disciplined for showing up at a progun event in uniform but the cheifs had been at an antigun news event in uniform were not mentioned.
Trust me, I fully understand what it's live under the "Opinions other than the party-line are verboten!" rule.
Still, sheriffs are elected, and chiefs/commishes are government appointed. As such, they serve at the pleasure of the mayor (or city council), who serve at the pleasure of the voters.
Being forbidden from wearing your service uniform to a political event doesn't prevent you from going and making your voice heard. Or sending letters, or sending emails, or collecting petitions, etc.
If enough people in the jurisdiction contacted the mayor and pledged not to vote for him unless he canned the Chief, the Chief would be gone. It's happened before, many times. Ask Daryl Gates.0 -
quote:Originally posted by rmill
Someone stated here they have never read anything from a police administrator where they supported the 2nd Amendment? They need to keep an eye on MY posts then... Yes, I'm one of those dirty, filthy, hated, police administrators and I DAMN SURE support the 2nd amendment and your right to carry laws... Thank you tho for lumping me in with every other police administrator in the USA... Oh, that's right when we COPS do that kind of 'lumping' it's, what's the word that get's us sued by folks all the time...? Uhhhh, I think it's PROFILING... Gimme a break. I know TONS of Sheriffs, Police Chiefs and others in the LEO field that support these issues publically AND privately.
Randy,
What you post on here does little to or for the community you work in[:0][:D]
What do you say about chief Knight?
It is funny how we can all rally to can a ignorant journalist, but when we have someone who is EXPECTED to UPHOLD the constitution is trashing it, nobody seems to care.[xx(]0 -
Sounds to me like the Sheriff is trying to justify the taxpayer monies he is spending on expensive tactical weaponry. His argument is intellectually dishonest and true crime statistics prove him wrong. (and have proven his assertions wrong over and over again) He is upgrading his weaponry because he wants to and because he likes the new tactical weaponry and because it is en-vogue for him to be armed and equipped with the latest new tactical weaponry. Give me the right bolt action rifle and the right ammo, and I could leave his entire department in the dust.
There is nothing wrong with the police having a cache of good tactical weaponry, but to justify it with the lies that more such items are on the street is just ludicrous!
Plus training and firearms competence goes alot further than cool/mean looking new guns. It sounds like a pathetic case of tactical firearms envy. When the law enforcement officials start quoting the anti's agenda, it is time for them to be removed from their entrusted positions since they obviously can no longer be trusted to act with the best interests of their communities if they are capable of lying outright to further such an agenda.0 -
Absolutely playing to his base. He needs money for upgrades, he needs to alarm the easily alarmed taxpayers.
An unintended consequence of the process when even smaller communities do exhaustive 2 year searches and waste tax dollars on headhunter fees to recruit a police chief...instead of promoting some deserving officer already in their midst.0 -
Lets also not forget that there is lots of homeland $$ floating around and if ya don't spend it, ya loose it... 0
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