HOA says no guns on property
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like I would tell them 0 -
Don't you just love businesses and group that change rules after the contract is signed. First and foremost in my mind with this one is even if they would provide you with security they are making it very difficult to defend yourself when you are away from home. 0 -
Where's the thought process? If the criminal knows yor're a lawbiding
citizen and don't have a weapon because the law says no - then you're
a free treat. I will never understand the reasoning behind not being
able to protect yourself from the criminal element. When will they
learn that criminals are criminals because they don't follow the
rules?0 -
how are they going to know unless you tell them?
so, if you get robbed and shoot someone, you live the crook doesnt, what are they going to do, side with the crook?
relax, theyre just trying to cover thier legal butts. they cant search you and if youre a good CCW, they wont know you even have one...the way it was meant to be.[;)]0 -
"Neighbors said they understand the gun rule is meant to keep criminals out of Nashboro Village but they don't believe that prohibiting firearms is the best way to do that."
The neighbors arent stupid, just a few board members.0 -
quote:Originally posted by cartod
"Neighbors said they understand the gun rule is meant to keep criminals out of Nashboro Village but they don't believe that prohibiting firearms is the best way to do that."
The neighbors arent stupid, just a few board members.
Agreed. As someone who has sat on an HOA for the last nine years, I can attest that the reason I joined the HOA in the first place was because there were stupid people making stupid decisions on behalf of the community that I lived in. Some of the decisions they were making were rather bone-headed. I approached the board and was asked if I thought I could do a better job, and I said yes.
Come next election I was on the board.
Honestly, the biggest hurdle an HOA has is involvement from homeowners. If you had any clue how difficult it was to get someone to show up -- ANYONE to show up (I've had this experience on two boards now) and demonstrate that they care, it could sway board members.
All you would really need is for some gun owners to come in and raise their voices, and the board would probably reverse its decision.
Anyway, this is unenforceable, so in the end, it doesn't matter. The HOA has no rights to press criminal charges and has no rights to force someone to sell their home and move should they choose to not comply. The best the HOA can hope for is to levy fines against violators and put a lein in the houses in question. When the leins get large enough, they can then foreclose.
The easy way around this is to simply keep your mouth shut. And, if the HOA asked me if I had any guns, I'd say "No."
What are they going to do, get a search warrant?0 -
Why would anyone want to live in a housing community where they tell you what you can and can't do?
Just move back in with your parents already.0 -
what are they going to do if you did have a gun? ban you from cake parties on the green?
i really think the only reason they did that was to have leverage in case some thugs turn a home into a dope house and start brandishing guns and shooting the place up....so they could evict them or something. or in case a kid pulls one out of dads closet while visiting someone etc...i think the goals was only to put people on notice tht if youre gonna have one, do it right or we'll nail you with a 'i told ya so.'
(sounds like police to me doesnt it?)
i really dont see it effecting honest joes that keep guns in drawers properly stowed and handled iaw nra guidelines.0 -
What a LOAD! Somebody needs to remove their guns quickly from that property in accordance with the ruling, have all their guns stolen as a result of their removal and then SUE the PI## out of that HOA for contributing to their loss and suffering of several family heirlooms and
property... Man, what a BS decision.0 -
Living in a development with an HOA that perceives itself to be on the cutting edge of uniformity, conformity, blandness and hubris, I can only say that I eagerly await the day that the courts crush the arrogance out of HOA's and reduce their power to maintaining common property, landscaping, listing paint choices, listing plant and tree choices, etc. 0 -
If they say you can't own a gun. Wouldn't that mean they would be taking responsibity for your protection? If so if you were robbed and you didn't have a gun to protect yourself, because of their ruling. Couldn't you sue them for your loss during your robbery? 0 -
Community Suggests Gun Possession Is Illegal For Residents
March 19, 2007 05:16 PM EDT
ANTIOCH, Tenn.- Some people in a Nashville neighborhood are furious over a new rule that makes it illegal to own a gun.
Residents in Nashboro Village said it's unconstitutional and leaves them defenseless.
Two weeks ago, residents received a letter from their homeowners' association indicating that guns are not allowed on the property.
"It thought it was ironic that they say you can't have something when the United States government says you can," said resident Cristina Salajanu.
Salajanu would like to give her neighborhood management company a history lesson.
"I think it's unconstitutional," Salajanu said. "They can't tell you what to own or not to own in your own house."
Salajanu is talking about the Bill of Rights, specifically the Second Amendment, which grants citizens the right to keep and bear arms. It's been an American freedom for 215 years but Salajanu and other residents said it's been taken away from them.
"Something needs to be done," she said.
Two weeks ago, the property management company at Nashboro Village told its residents no more guns on the property.
"It incensed me that it was written the way it was," said a resident who asked not to be identified.
She said there is a serious need to feel protected here and a firearm can do that.
"We've got dark areas, the lighting is very definitely very dim," she said.
Salajanu said that burglaries started to increase since late summer...
She said she believes her neighborhood has changed since she moved in last year.
"Three weeks ago someone was stopped at gunpoint," Salajanu said. "It seems the nature of those burglaries is becoming more dangerous."
Some residents at Nashboro Village have campaigned for better lighting and more security but if they can't get either they at least want their Second Amendment rights upheld.
"If I'm walking if I'm walking my dog or if I am outside walking and if I don't feel safe and I'm licensed then I'll carry a gun," said the resident who did not want her identity disclosed.
Officials with Ghertner and Company, the property manager at Nashboro Village, would not make an on-camera comment about the gun policy but said they plan on changing the rule soon to allow firearms on the property. However, they would make it illegal to fire those guns, which residents say is still unconstitutional.
Neighbors said they understand the gun rule is meant to keep criminals out of Nashboro Village but they don't believe that prohibiting firearms is the best way to do that.0 -
They should be SHOT! [:(!] 0 -
As long as I follow the law and I have a permit then they won't tell me I can't have a gun. It's not like people there are sitting out on the porch with their gun(s) in their hand(s). [B)] 0 -
It doesn't say in the article, but I wonder if its a mobil home park. If the park owns the land and maybe even the trailers they might have some gounds to set rules within the homes. Same with apartments. Remember HUD under Clinton said no guns in their developments.
If it is a homeowner association where folks own condos, trailers, or homes the association is crossing the line trying to tell people what they can or can't keep in their homes. I wouldn't even give it a second thought let them try to enforce that rule. Talk about exposing a homeowners association to a big time lawsuit. Yikes.0 -
quote:Originally posted by American_Woman
As long as I follow the law and I have a permit then they won't tell me I can't have a gun. It's not like people there are sitting out on the porch with their gun(s) in their hand(s). [B)]
Says who?
I do all the time. I clean my guns in my garage and I don't close the garage door. Most of my neighbors know that I own guns because we talk about them (I've got two LEOs that are immediate neighbors).
I can sit out on my porch all day long, LEGALLY, and "brandish" my firearms. I would get in trouble if I pointed them at someone, however.
And no, I don't need no stinkin' permit here in Colorado.0 -
quote:Originally posted by select-fire
However, they would make it illegal to fire those guns
I'd love to see that enforced. Really, I would.
1. In many communities, it is already illegal to discharge a weapon. You can't hunt in city limits. You can't set up a shooting range in city limits.
2. In many communities, despite the fact that you can't unlawfully discharge a firearm, ain't nobody gonna say nothing when you take out Joe Badguy who just tried to rape your dog and murder your children.0 -
Wouldn't it be better, easier and more effective to say "no criminals on property?" That way, if a violent criminal attacked someone, that someone could say "Hey! pay attention to the sign! You are NOT allowed here."
I mean, if signs work and all. Which they don't.0 -
lets all pool together and go rob their houses, this will teach them a lesson[}:)]
seriously though this is a situation the nra should address, they would get allot more support than some of the paths they have taken in the past0 -
The HOA better hope they have a good Directors and Officers insurance policy. They are gonna get their butts sued big time if they try to enforce this. And the Govt ban on possessing firearms in public housing has already been tossed out by a court- 0
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