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ANALYSIS OF COOK COUNTY
ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN
Effective November 14, 2006, a Cook County gun ban Ordinance criminalizes the otherwise lawful possession of many common firearms and large capacity magazines. The law provides for imprisonment up to 6 months, fines, and confiscation and destruction of the enumerated weapons. Owners of such firearms or large capacity magazines have until February 12, 2007 to either remove the affected guns and remove any large capacity magazines from Cook County or surrender them to the police for destruction.
What firearms and magazines are affected by this county wide ban? Over 60 firearms are specifically listed as being illegal, including the deer rifle popular in many Midwest states, the SKS with a detachable magazine. Popular self defense weapons like the Mossberg 500 pump, and popular target shooting semiautomatic AR-15 are also illegal. In addition, all magazines that can hold more than 10 shells are banned.
The Ordinance specifically bans any semiautomatic s hotgun that has a fixed magazine with a capacity in excess of five rounds. Since shotgun shell rounds can be obtained in sizes as short as 2 inches, the ordinance can be construed to ban all common semiautomatic shotguns.
In addition to banning over 60 enumerated firearms, the Ordinance defines certain banned firearms with catch-all definitions. One such carefully worded definition bans any semiautomatic rifle that need not have, but has the ability to accept a large capacity magazine and has,
"A shroud attached to the barrel, or that partially or completely encircles the barrel, allowing the bearer to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned, but excluding a slide that encloses the barrel,"
A standard dictionary definition of the word shroud is, "something that covers, screens, or guards." The ordinance defines this "shroud" as something that allows the holding of the rifle in the off hand that would keep the shooter's off hand from being burned. The Ordinance only excludes from this categorization a "slide," a term usually applying to the top piece of a semiautomatic handgun. Missing from the exclusion is any verbiage about "the forearm assembly," "fore-end," or "stock". An arguable interpretation of the word "shroud" as used in the Cook County Ordinance would include the standard forearm or stock that allows normal two handed shooting.
In determining the likelihood of Ordinance being interpreted to cover all standard semiautomatic rifles, we can look to the past history in Cook County. The current and prior States Attorneys of Cook County have previously interpreted criminal statutes in an unreasonable manner to justify charging otherwise law a biding citizens with gun possession crimes. These prior anti-gun interpretations have defied common sense and contradicted prior case law. Because the interpretations have been publicly stated to be the official interpretation, all Cook County Assistant States Attorneys are required to use them in determining what charges would be filed. One of the recent examples of the way Cook County prosecutors interpret the law unreasonably has been their failure to acknowledge that current state law allows the carrying of an unloaded gun in specially designed fanny packs. One would expect the Cook County States Attorney's Office to continue their tradition of interpreting gun laws in a manner to include as many gun owners as possible, and therefore to start charging under the new Ordinance owners of semiautomatic firearms that could be held by two hands, which is for all practical purposes, all semiautomatic rifles.
For a listing of the enumerated firearms that are banned, and the exac t wording of the ordinance, see the third Ordinance listed:
www.cookctyclerk.com/html/111406orddoc.htm: <http://www.cookctyclerk.com/html/111406orddoc.htm>
What can gun owners do? This ordinance primarly affects Cook county residents. For firearm owners living outside Cook County, the ordinance exempts from the statute the "transportation of assault weapons or large capacity magazine if such weapons are broken down and in a non-functioning state and are not immediately accessible to any person." Such weapons may be transported while unloaded, broken down and cased in your trunk or otherwise not immediately accessible to the occupants of the vehicle. A locked case would make the weapons not immediately accessible for the owners of station wagons and SUVs.
For Cook County residents who possess the specifically listed firearms, until there is a successful court challenge to this ordinance with a published Appellate opinion, the only prudent legal option wou ld be to relocate the banned firearms outside the geographical boundaries of Cook County. The ordinance criminalizes possession of the banned firearms inside of Cook County, not the mere ownership of the banned weapons possessed outside of Cook County.
Cook County residents who own semi-automatic shotguns and rifles that could arguably meet the generic ordinance definition of a banned assault weapon face a dilemma of uncertainty. Until there is a test case taken up on appeal, those residents may be subject to arrest, conviction and have their weapons confiscated and destroyed. A full criminal defense would cost $10,000 on up with no guarantee of winning the case on appeal. Until the Cook County States Attorney publicly states that under no circumstances will the new ordinance be enforced against owners of ordinary shotguns which could be loaded by more than 5 two-inch long shells, or against owners of long guns with ordinary forearms and stock, those firearm owners would be prudent to also relocate those possibly banned firearms.
There are undoubtedly some Cook County residents who, because of their honestly held beliefs, are willing to knowingly incur the risks of convictions, incarceration, and confiscation of their firearms for violating the Cook County gun ban. Those residents should refrain from engaging in activities that would bring those firearms to the knowledge of their local law enforcement officials. On some isolated occasions the Chicago police proactively sought out otherwise law abiding owners of handguns for the simple purposes of confiscation. However, the vast majority of the over 10,000 firearms that are seized by the police each year in Cook county, are seized by chance . Police seize many firearms as a result of searches of cars stopped for traffic violations, searches of homes and business as a result of responding to calls of crimes, domestic arguments, search warrants for drugs, and other ordinary police caretaking func tions.
Often, police routinely ask for consent to search to satisfy their investigations. Owners of the affected firearms should be aware that they have a Constitutional right to decline to consent to a search of either their cars, homes or businesses. Owners of the affected firearms should likewise absolutely refrain from activities that would bring them into contact with the police. The mere absence of more interactions between the police and citizens have historically resulted in the majority of potential gun violations not ending up as confiscations or arrests. For instance, to date, not a single test case has been made in Cook County concerning the fanny pack exception to the state law that allows the transportation of unloaded firearms with detached loaded magazines in a case designed to transport a firearm.
The new Cook County gun ban can affect tens of thousands of otherwise law abiding citizens. This imprudent law has forced gun owners to make tough decisio ns that the Courts will take years to ponder. Gun owners should individually read the ordinance, and contact the 17 Cook County Commissioners. But unless and until the ordinance is repealed or struck down, owners of the affected firearms should follow the law as best they can.
Also read ISRA Executive Director Richard Pearson's Report on the
Cook County AWB. : <http://isra.org/legislation/cook_county_report.shtml>
ANALYSIS OF COOK COUNTY
ASSAULT WEAPONS BAN
Effective November 14, 2006, a Cook County gun ban Ordinance criminalizes the otherwise lawful possession of many common firearms and large capacity magazines. The law provides for imprisonment up to 6 months, fines, and confiscation and destruction of the enumerated weapons. Owners of such firearms or large capacity magazines have until February 12, 2007 to either remove the affected guns and remove any large capacity magazines from Cook County or surrender them to the police for destruction.
What firearms and magazines are affected by this county wide ban? Over 60 firearms are specifically listed as being illegal, including the deer rifle popular in many Midwest states, the SKS with a detachable magazine. Popular self defense weapons like the Mossberg 500 pump, and popular target shooting semiautomatic AR-15 are also illegal. In addition, all magazines that can hold more than 10 shells are banned.
The Ordinance specifically bans any semiautomatic s hotgun that has a fixed magazine with a capacity in excess of five rounds. Since shotgun shell rounds can be obtained in sizes as short as 2 inches, the ordinance can be construed to ban all common semiautomatic shotguns.
In addition to banning over 60 enumerated firearms, the Ordinance defines certain banned firearms with catch-all definitions. One such carefully worded definition bans any semiautomatic rifle that need not have, but has the ability to accept a large capacity magazine and has,
"A shroud attached to the barrel, or that partially or completely encircles the barrel, allowing the bearer to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned, but excluding a slide that encloses the barrel,"
A standard dictionary definition of the word shroud is, "something that covers, screens, or guards." The ordinance defines this "shroud" as something that allows the holding of the rifle in the off hand that would keep the shooter's off hand from being burned. The Ordinance only excludes from this categorization a "slide," a term usually applying to the top piece of a semiautomatic handgun. Missing from the exclusion is any verbiage about "the forearm assembly," "fore-end," or "stock". An arguable interpretation of the word "shroud" as used in the Cook County Ordinance would include the standard forearm or stock that allows normal two handed shooting.
In determining the likelihood of Ordinance being interpreted to cover all standard semiautomatic rifles, we can look to the past history in Cook County. The current and prior States Attorneys of Cook County have previously interpreted criminal statutes in an unreasonable manner to justify charging otherwise law a biding citizens with gun possession crimes. These prior anti-gun interpretations have defied common sense and contradicted prior case law. Because the interpretations have been publicly stated to be the official interpretation, all Cook County Assistant States Attorneys are required to use them in determining what charges would be filed. One of the recent examples of the way Cook County prosecutors interpret the law unreasonably has been their failure to acknowledge that current state law allows the carrying of an unloaded gun in specially designed fanny packs. One would expect the Cook County States Attorney's Office to continue their tradition of interpreting gun laws in a manner to include as many gun owners as possible, and therefore to start charging under the new Ordinance owners of semiautomatic firearms that could be held by two hands, which is for all practical purposes, all semiautomatic rifles.
For a listing of the enumerated firearms that are banned, and the exac t wording of the ordinance, see the third Ordinance listed:
www.cookctyclerk.com/html/111406orddoc.htm: <http://www.cookctyclerk.com/html/111406orddoc.htm>
What can gun owners do? This ordinance primarly affects Cook county residents. For firearm owners living outside Cook County, the ordinance exempts from the statute the "transportation of assault weapons or large capacity magazine if such weapons are broken down and in a non-functioning state and are not immediately accessible to any person." Such weapons may be transported while unloaded, broken down and cased in your trunk or otherwise not immediately accessible to the occupants of the vehicle. A locked case would make the weapons not immediately accessible for the owners of station wagons and SUVs.
For Cook County residents who possess the specifically listed firearms, until there is a successful court challenge to this ordinance with a published Appellate opinion, the only prudent legal option wou ld be to relocate the banned firearms outside the geographical boundaries of Cook County. The ordinance criminalizes possession of the banned firearms inside of Cook County, not the mere ownership of the banned weapons possessed outside of Cook County.
Cook County residents who own semi-automatic shotguns and rifles that could arguably meet the generic ordinance definition of a banned assault weapon face a dilemma of uncertainty. Until there is a test case taken up on appeal, those residents may be subject to arrest, conviction and have their weapons confiscated and destroyed. A full criminal defense would cost $10,000 on up with no guarantee of winning the case on appeal. Until the Cook County States Attorney publicly states that under no circumstances will the new ordinance be enforced against owners of ordinary shotguns which could be loaded by more than 5 two-inch long shells, or against owners of long guns with ordinary forearms and stock, those firearm owners would be prudent to also relocate those possibly banned firearms.
There are undoubtedly some Cook County residents who, because of their honestly held beliefs, are willing to knowingly incur the risks of convictions, incarceration, and confiscation of their firearms for violating the Cook County gun ban. Those residents should refrain from engaging in activities that would bring those firearms to the knowledge of their local law enforcement officials. On some isolated occasions the Chicago police proactively sought out otherwise law abiding owners of handguns for the simple purposes of confiscation. However, the vast majority of the over 10,000 firearms that are seized by the police each year in Cook county, are seized by chance . Police seize many firearms as a result of searches of cars stopped for traffic violations, searches of homes and business as a result of responding to calls of crimes, domestic arguments, search warrants for drugs, and other ordinary police caretaking func tions.
Often, police routinely ask for consent to search to satisfy their investigations. Owners of the affected firearms should be aware that they have a Constitutional right to decline to consent to a search of either their cars, homes or businesses. Owners of the affected firearms should likewise absolutely refrain from activities that would bring them into contact with the police. The mere absence of more interactions between the police and citizens have historically resulted in the majority of potential gun violations not ending up as confiscations or arrests. For instance, to date, not a single test case has been made in Cook County concerning the fanny pack exception to the state law that allows the transportation of unloaded firearms with detached loaded magazines in a case designed to transport a firearm.
The new Cook County gun ban can affect tens of thousands of otherwise law abiding citizens. This imprudent law has forced gun owners to make tough decisio ns that the Courts will take years to ponder. Gun owners should individually read the ordinance, and contact the 17 Cook County Commissioners. But unless and until the ordinance is repealed or struck down, owners of the affected firearms should follow the law as best they can.
Also read ISRA Executive Director Richard Pearson's Report on the
Cook County AWB. : <http://isra.org/legislation/cook_county_report.shtml>
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Well ,
Just one more reason I moved away from the land of lincoln .......
Geez !!!
Thanks !!!
d.a.stearns
Gunsmith / LEO
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Don't know too much about Constitutional law but I'll offer a theory anyway. Why can't the same argumements the abortionist use apply to firearm owners.
Judges frequently shoot down laws that do not have an exemption to abortion laws for potential heath and life complications to the mother. Judges also want to see the rape and incest exemptions. These loopholes make abortion laws virtually unenforceable.
These should also be an exemption to firearm restrictions for the life and protection of homeowners. If the AR is for your home protection, it should be legal. This would be the same logic as the life and heath exemption to abortions.
Also, there should be an exemption for sporters. The constitution protects life and LIBERTY. Using an AR for target shooting is a liberty covered by the Constitution.
I know the is a "clause" in the Constitution that is liberally applied for such circumstances, but I can't remember what it is called.0 -
This has been the pattern to solve violent crime in most of the large cities in the US. It only serves to make criminals out of the average citizen and has never reduced gun crime.[:(]
All you can do it move out of the large populated cities.[:0][:0]0 -
I no longer live in Crook County but alot of Cook County gun owners are taking the view that their local town's home rule supercede's Cook County's ability to enforce this ban. The only place this ban would have effect would be un-incorporated Cook and poopcago. 0 -
Where's the good ol' ACLU? Shouldn't they be standing up for the Constitutional rights of the citizens of Cook County? [xx(] 0 -
What do you expect from the G.D. Democrats?
JM[:(!]0 -
quote:Originally posted by Lowrider
Where's the good ol' ACLU? Shouldn't they be standing up for the Constitutional rights of the citizens of Cook County? [xx(]
The ACLU's position is that no citizen should be able to own a nuclear weapon, therefore no one has the constitutional right to own a gun0 -
It's unfortunate that people write off Chicago as if the battle is list there. The battle will spread from there and it's still worth the fight to stop oppression.
I see it the same way with cigarette companies. I don't smoke. Never did. Never used tobacco. It is hazardous to ones health, but people choose to do it. Having said that, I oppose the lawsuits against cigarette companies. If these businesses are successfully sued for something that was legal and acceptable for over a hundred years, who is next?
The state of California sues car manufacturer for carbon dioxide. McDonald's. Methane from dairy farmers. Sugar refiners. High Fructose Corn Syrup refiners. The absurdities or tyrannies just continues to spread.
Chicago isn't the end of it.0 -
Lowrider quote:Where's the good ol' ACLU?
...Their WAY too busy defending perverts and working with the athiest fools to get God out of schools, courthouses...and "In God We Trust" off our money...[xx(]
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Just another reason I will be vacating this hole when I retire. 0 -
Where is the NRA in all this crap in Cook County???But of course the people keep electing those officials up there. As long as that is fact no need for them to complain. They are getting what they ask for.[xx(] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Captplaid
Chicago isn't the end of it.
True.....unfortunately.
This disease spreads like the cancer it is. [:(!]
If "they" can get away with passing that kind of law..........0 -
....BR....You have that right. However, what goes in Chi-Town, usually goes for the rest of us in this state....in time. Whomever they be, the mayor of Chicago and the IL governor appear to argue in front of the press, but have their hands in each others' pocket.
...As far as electing these clowns, the dead vote in Chicago. The rich vote twice, and Chicago cracks the whip on Springfield. Done deal.0 -
I used to live in Fairbury about 45 miles south of Chicago, didnt take but one year up there to realize what a mess it was and then it was ADIOS Ill. 0 -
..Classic...Fairbury?...Not that far from me at all. I do some trading with a guy from there....not that you'd know him, he keeps a low profile. Fairbury is still far enough from the city influence to be a nice place. 0 -
Chicago news reported about a warrant that was recently exercised on a city alderman. They reported that two firearms were found in her house and also taken as evidence. If I recall correctly, the warrant was for specific papers.
It is such a sin in CHicago to posses a gun that the reporters don't even say what kind of gun or why. Seriously, the news gives the impression that if the police find a gun in Chicago, they are going to take it.0 -
Here's the list from the website:
quote:Section 6-1 Definitions.
As used in Article VI of this Ordinance, the following terms shall have the following meaning:
(a) "Assault weapon" means:
(1) A semiautomatic rifle that has the capacity to accept a large capacity magazine detachable or otherwise and one or more of the following:
(A) Only a pistol grip without a stock attached;
(B) Any feature capable of functioning as a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand;
(C) A folding, telescoping or thumbhole stock;
(D) A shroud attached to the barrel, or that partially or completely encircles the barrel, allowing the bearer to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned, but excluding a slide that encloses the barrel; or
(E) A muzzle brake or muzzle compensator;
(2) A semiautomatic pistol or any semi-automatic rifle that has a fixed magazine, that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds of ammunition;
(3) A semiautomatic pistol that has the capacity to accept a detachable magazine and has one or more of the following:
(A) Any feature capable of functioning as a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand;
(B) A folding, telescoping or thumbhole stock;
(C) A shroud attached to the barrel, or that partially or completely encircles the barrel, allowing the bearer to hold the firearm with the non-trigger hand without being burned, but excluding a slide that encloses the barrel;
(D) A muzzle brake or muzzle compensator; or
(E) The capacity to accept a detachable magazine at some location outside of the pistol grip.
(4) A semiautomatic shotgun that has one or more of the following:
(A) Only a pistol grip without a stock attached;
(B) Any feature capable of functioning as a protruding grip that can be held by the non-trigger hand;
(C) A folding, telescoping or thumbhole stock;
(D) A fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds; or
(E) An ability to accept a detachable magazine;
(5) Any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.
(6) Conversion kit, part or combination of parts, from which an assault weapon can be assembled if those parts are in the possession or under the control of the same person;
(7) Shall include, but not be limited to, the assault weapons models identified as follows:
(A) The following rifles or copies or duplicates thereof:
(i) AK, AKM, AKS, AK-47, AK-74, ARM, MAK90, Misr, NHM 90, NHM 91, SA 85, SA 93, VEPR;
(ii) AR-10;
(iii) AR-15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite M15, or Olympic Arms PCR;
(iv) AR70;
(v) Calico Liberty;
(vi) Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle or Dragunov SVU;
(vii) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FNC;
(viii) Hi-Point Carbine;
(ix) HK-91, HK-93, HK-94, or HK-PSG-1;
(x) Kel-Tec Sub Rifle;
(xi) Saiga;
(xii) SAR-8, SAR-4800;
(xiii) SKS with detachable magazine;
(xiv) SLG 95;
(xv) SLR 95 or 96;
(xvi) Steyr AUG;
(xvii) Sturm, Ruger Mini-14;
(xviii) Tavor;
(xix) Thompson 1927, Thompson M1, or Thompson 1927 Commando; or
(xx) Uzi, Galil and Uzi Sporter, Galil Sporter, or Galil Sniper Rifle (Galatz).
(B) The following pistols or copies or duplicates thereof:
(i) Calico M-110;
(ii) MAC-10, MAC-11, or MPA3;
(iii) Olympic Arms OA;
(iv) TEC-9, TEC-DC9, TEC-22 Scorpion, or AB-10; or
(v) Uzi.
(C) The following shotguns or copies or duplicates thereof:
(i) Armscor 30 BG;
(ii) SPAS 12 or LAW 12;
(iii) Striker 12; or
(iv) Streetsweeper.
(b) "Assault weapon" does not include any firearm that has been made permanently inoperable, or satisfies the definition of "antique firearm," stated in this Ordinance, or weapons designed for Olympic target shooting events.
(c) "Detachable magazine" means any ammunition feeding device, the function of which is to deliver one or more ammunition cartridges into the firing chamber, which can be removed from the firearm without the use of any tool, including a bullet or ammunition cartridge.
(d) "Large capacity magazine" means any ammunition feeding device with the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds, but shall not be construed to include the following:
(1) A feeding device that has been permanently altered so that it cannot accommodate more than 10 rounds.
(2) A 22 caliber tube ammunition feeding device.
(3) A tubular magazine that is contained in a lever-action firearm.
(e) "Muzzle brake" means a device attached to the muzzle of a weapon that utilizes escaping gas to reduce recoil.
(f) "Muzzle compensator" means a device attached to the muzzle of a weapon that utilizes escaping gas to control muzzle movement.
Section 6-2 Assault weapons and large capacity magazines - Sale prohibited - Exceptions.
(a) No person shall manufacture, sell, offer or display for sale, give, lend, transfer ownership of, acquire or possess any assault weapon or large capacity magazine. This subsection shall not apply to:
(1) the sale or transfer to, or possession by any officer, agent, or employee of Cook County or any other municipality or state or of the United States, members of the armed forces of the United States; or the organized militia of this or any other state; or peace officers to the extent that any such person named in this subsection is otherwise authorized to acquire or possess an assault weapon and/or large capacity magazine and does so while acting within the scope of his or her duties;
(2) transportation of assault weapons or large capacity magazine if such weapons are broken down and in a non-functioning state and are not immediately accessible to any person.
(b) Any assault weapon or large capacity magazine possessed, sold or transferred in violation of subsection (a) of this section is hereby declared to be contraband and shall be seized and disposed of in accordance with the provisions of Section 6-2 of this Ordinance.
(c) Any person found in violation of this section shall be sentenced to not more than six months imprisonment or fined not less than $500.00 and not more than $1,000.00, or both.
(d) Any person who, prior to the effective date of the ordinance codified in this Ordinance, was legally in possession of an assault weapon or large capacity magazine prohibited by this section shall have 90 days from the effective date of the ordinance to do any of the following without being subject to prosecution hereunder:
(1) To remove the assault weapon or large capacity magazine from within the limits of the County of Cook; or
(2) To modify the assault weapon or large capacity magazine either to render it permanently inoperable or to permanently make it a device no longer defined as an assault weapon or large capacity magazine; or
(3) To surrender the assault weapon or large capacity magazine to the Sheriff or his designee for disposal as provided below.
Section 6-3 Destruction of weapons confiscated.
Whenever any firearm or large capacity magazine is surrendered or confiscated pursuant to the terms of this Ordinance, the Sheriff shall ascertain whether such firearm is needed as evidence in any matter.
If such firearm or large capacity magazine is not required for evidence it shall be destroyed at the direction of the Sheriff. A record of the date and method of destruction an inventory or the firearm or large capacity magazine so destroyed shall be maintained.
Approved and adopted this 14th day of November 2006.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Captplaid
Chicago news reported about a warrant that was recently exercised on a city alderman. They reported that two firearms were found in her house and also taken as evidence. If I recall correctly, the warrant was for specific papers.
It is such a sin in CHicago to posses a gun that the reporters don't even say what kind of gun or why. Seriously, the news gives the impression that if the police find a gun in Chicago, they are going to take it.
Shicago Alderman voted in CCW for themselves. They are above the law and the people.0 -
FLAT OUT, Unconstitutional!
I hope people revolt and start killing LEO's! lawmakers, and judges!
All across the country in fact! It is time for a revolution in our country, amigos..0 -
Judges receive special protections in Illinois. 0 -
ok,
id like to hear from each person what they would do if a LEO or any other offiial showed up at your house wanting YOUR guns? i would really like to see what you guys would do, to see if my opinions are crazy.0 -
quote:Originally posted by kyplumber
FLAT OUT, Unconstitutional!
I hope people revolt and start killing LEO's! lawmakers, and judges!
All across the country in fact! It is time for a revolution in our country, amigos..
I wonder why some people fear those with firearms? I just don't understand it because gun owners are all such calm, rational people.0 -
quote:Originally posted by SuburbanNoize
ok,
id like to hear from each person what they would do if a LEO or any other offiial showed up at your house wanting YOUR guns? i would really like to see what you guys would do, to see if my opinions are crazy.
You'll probably hear a lot of "shoot em dead." Hopefully we'll never have to know if thats the truth or not.
The best course of action would be to hand over a few items (a couple .22s or a junky Jennings or something), and keep the rest secret. That way the police get something to show to their higher ups, and you get to live as a free individual (for a while, at least).0 -
I notice the Ruger Mini-14 was listed but the Mini-30 was not.
Can you believe that just about ANY tube-fed .22 rifle is now illegal in Cook County?0 -
Illinois is fast becoming a state to be FROM. The crooked machine runs the entire state of the residents vote the scum in..Not me...but I am only one! It seems that way at times. The next pres might come from hear -Osoma Barrock OboooMa...What a joke... imo..of course..nambu 0 -
Good thing I live in KY. 0 -
High volume- maybe I did not own them- but I sure had to sign a hand receipt for them! And to all my brother-in-arms (and sisters) that live in Crook County, and have been treated in such a shabby fashion by the idiots that you elected to office- send your guns to me. They will have a good home, be loved, fed, and cleaned. And what would I do if the police showed up at my door and wanted my guns? Well, small rural community. Would be either Jeff or Bob- would invite them in for a cup of coffee, see if we were still on for the range on Saturday. Someone else not from here? Hey- who said a Jennings is worthless? Sure, here ya go. Naw, I don't need a receipt. Your partner that was here 2 days ago took all the others, he did not give me a receipt either. [:p] That is, if I owned any guns. 0 -
so what it basically comes down to is they put the assault weapons ban back up in cook county? 0 -
So, a basic Browning semi-auto .22 that takes 10 rounds up a tube in the stock plus one will be an illegal assault weapon in Chicago? BUT the Ruger 10/22 sinfully ugly Olympic rifle with the thumbhole will be legal.
(Chicago want to hold the Olympics in the future.)0 -
Glad I don't live there, but the problem seems to be coming for us all. 0
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