Bonds was not alone....
Mitchell report connects big names to steroids use
Barry Bonds has company - lots and lots of drug-tarnished company. Roger Clemens, Miguel Tejada, Eric Gagne, Andy Pettitte, Paul Lo Duca are among the current players. Mo Vaughn, Kevin Brown and David Justice are among those who have retired.
And on and on. At least 85 names in all.
"For more than a decade there has been widespread anabolic steroid use," Mitchell said during a news conference. "Each of the 30 clubs has had players who have been involved."
Yes, All-Stars and Cy Young award winners were among the Major League players publicly linked to the use of performance-enhancing drugs when their names appeared in the Mitchell report released Thursday. The long-awaited report is a study of baseball's so-called Steroids Era and the culmination of a 20-month investigation led by former senator George Mitchell.
Mitchell recommended the commissioner abstain from sanctioning players except in rare case where drug use has compromised the integrity of the game
"The commissioner should give the players and every else the chance to make a fresh start," Mitchell said.
Mitchell noted that it is important to address the use of performance-enhancing drugs not just among the players, but among adolescents. He cited surveys that show 3 to 6 percent of adolescents have used performance-enhancing drugs and said that translates into hundreds of thousands of children. "Every American, not just baseball fans, ought to be shocked into action by that disturbing truth."
After months of speculation over which players would be in the reports, the stars tied to the use of steroids, human growth hormone and other drugs banned by baseball trumped the findings of the Mitchell report. Before Thursday, Bonds was baseball's lone superstar definitively linked to the use of steroids.
Not anymore.
Mitchell said the rare cases in which he suggests Selig take action is not a reference to Bonds or any other specific player.
"That is a reference to my belief that the commissioner must have the ability to make the determination which I've set forth and he alone can judge what actions are so egregious to protect the integrity of the game.''
Separate from the Mitchell investigation, additional names tied to drug use could become public in the coming months. Prominent players and members of the rank-and-file implicated in an ongoing government investigation in Florida into the illegal distribution of performance-enhancing drugs were not in the report, according to a source involved in the investigation.
The Mitchell commission never requested from Florida authorities the names of players implicated in the ongoing investigation of the illegal distribution of steroids by Signature Pharmacy. Although government officials involved in the probe had discussed whether they would provide the names in anticipation of the request, according to the source. The source said discussions by government officials proved moot because Mitchell and his team of investigators never contacted the government investigators.
"Other investigations no doubt will turn up more names and turn up more details, but that is unlikely to significantly alter the description of the baseball Steroid Era set forth in this report," Mitchell said.
In addition to marquee players named in the report, several members of baseball's rank-and-file joined players whose names already had been leaked in published reports before the Mitchell commission's findings were released. An early criticism of the report is that it appears that the testimony of former New York Mets clubhouse attendant Kurt Radomski and, perhaps, a small handful of other lower-level MLB employees elicited most of the new information. "The investigation did not focus on any one club or any one players. Kurt Radomski lived in New York, and as a result he dealt with more players from New York," Mitchell said. "We of course did not select Kurt Radomski and did not select the players he dealt with. We asked him to tell us what happened and told him to tell us the truth. . Indeed, we told that to every witness."
Another longstanding criticism of Mitchell is that he has been a director of the Boston Red Sox since 2001, following the purchase of the team by its current ownership group. Mitchell took a leave from that position during the investigation, said his to the Red Sox did not compromise his ability to issue a fair report.
"Judge me by my work," he said. "Read the report. You will not find any evidence of bias, of special treatment of the Red Sox or anyone else, because there is none. That had no effect, none whatsoever, . on this report."
Mitchell admitted that many potential witnesses and sources of information were unhelpful
"The players union was largely uncooperative, and for reasons that I think are understandable," he said.
News leaks had identified 24 active and retired players allegedly implicated during government investigations into the illegal trafficking and distribution of steroids and other performance-enhancing drugs. Another 18 players had been named since 2005 after testing positive for drugs banned as part of baseball's anti-steroids policy.
Though it created a splash, the naming of players tied to drug use belied the substance of the report, which is more than 300 pages and includes exhibits. The report assigned blame for the drug culture plaguing baseball to owners, players, baseball executives and commissioner Bud Selig. But it went far beyond finger-pointing.
Mitchell said everyone in the game was responsible for the problem going unchecked for years.
"Club officials have routinely discussed the use of steroids when discussing players," he said.
The Mitchell report calls for changes that could serve as a road map for a sport facing political pressure to curb the use of performance-enhancing drugs by its players.
But while baseball's top brass continue to digest the report and decide how to respond, they'll also have to deal with the more immediate impact of players linked to the use of banned drugs. The possible suspension of the players named in the report and the disruption it could cause at the start of next season remains to be seen. But based on recent action by Major League Baseball, the sanctions likely will depend on documents that show when players received banned drugs by the sport.
Jose Guillen and Jay Gibbons have been suspended for 15 games after published reports alleged they received human growth after Major League Baseball banned the drug in 2005. By contrast, four other players -- Gary Mathews Jr., Rick Ankiel, Troy Glaus and Scott Schoewenweis -- linked to HGH escaped sanctions when MLB decided there was "insufficient evidence'' to determine those players had committed a doping violation. Those four were alleged to have received performance-enhancing drugs before 2005.
Regardless, the action demonstrates MLB's willingness to sanction players despite the absence of positive drug tests. The Mitchell report will recommend the sport take action for what are known as non-analytical positives -- documents showing athletes received banned drugs -- and the action against Guillen and Gibbons demonstrate baseball officials are prepared to take those steps.
But some players figure to challenge suspensions based on non-analytical positives Guillen already has instructed the players' union to file a grievance, which will be decided by an arbitrator. Gibbons has accepted his suspension.
Even before the report was issued, baseball's drug testing policy had come under fire. MLB officials touted it as the best in sports, yet the revelations of government investigations suggested many players using banned drugs had escaped detection.
Since 2005, when baseball implemented its drug-testing policy, 18 players have tested positive for banned drugs. Yet before the Mitchell report was released, 24 active and retired players were linked to banned drugs based on evidence seized during government raids, according to published reports. Dozens of other players yet to be named publicly were found to be tied to banned drugs based on evidence seized during government raids, according to published reports.
The integrity of the testing also came under scrutiny. In October, the New York Times published a story alleging the sport's drug-testing procedure may allow time for players to mask their use of performance-enhancing drugs. Drug testers routinely alerted teams a day or two before they arrived at ballparks and experts said that provided enough time for players to mask the presence of banned drugs in their bodies, according to the New York Times' report.
Baseball officials vigorously disputed that any teams exploited the apparent loophole for such purposes. But even before the report, Major League Baseball and other sports have faced pressure to toughen sanctions for positive drug tests.
Under the current policy, players face a 50-game suspension for a first offense, a 100-game suspension for a second offense and a lifetime ban for a third offense. But a White House official said the Bush administration favors the drug policy used by the Olympics that calls for a two-year suspension for a first offense and a lifetime ban for the second offense.
It's clear why baseball and other sports leagues have resisted the sanctions and testing policy enforced by the World Anti-Doping Agency, which oversees drug testing for the Olympics, said Scott Burns, the deputy "drug czar'' of the White House's National Drug Control Policy.
"They don't want to sign on because it's tough and it's specific,'' Burns said during a recent telephone conference call. "There are consequences and it can be monitored and people will be caught. Will they eventually sign on? Just about everybody in the world has.''
If the use of steroids and other banned drugs has dropped, it has modest impact on power numbers in baseball. This year players combined for 4,957 home runs, the first time in a decade the number has fallen short of 5,000.
No player has approached the 73 home runs Barry Bonds hit in 2001, when he smashed the single-season record. That year major leaguers combined to hit 5,458 home runs, the third-highest total in baseball history.
At the same time, no tandem has staged a home-run chase like the one in 1998 that featured Sammy Sosa and Mark McGwire, both now suspected of using banned drugs. That season, Sosa hit 66 home runs and McGwire hit 70 home runs, and major leaguers combined to hit 5,064 homers - the first time in the sport's history the total had eclipsed 5,000.
Until the 1998 season, Roger Maris' record of 61 home runs in a season had stood since 1961.
Baseball's home run bash, especially the display by McGwire and Sosa in 1998, coincided with a spike in attendance and a renewed popularity for a sport had been beset by a player strike that led to the cancellation of the 1994 World Series. And baseball's resurgence has withstood the steroid scandals of recent years.
The same day Bonds was indicted on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice that stemmed from his denying in front of a grand jury that he ever knowingly used performance-enhancing drugs, Selig announced Major League Baseball has set new records for attendance and revenue during the 2007 season.
Josh Peter is a writer for Yahoo! Sports. Send Josh a question or comment for potential use in a future column or webcast.
Updated on Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 2:12 pm, EST
Barry Bonds has company - lots and lots of drug-tarnished company. Roger Clemens, Miguel Tejada, Eric Gagne, Andy Pettitte, Paul Lo Duca are among the current players. Mo Vaughn, Kevin Brown and David Justice are among those who have retired.
And on and on. At least 85 names in all.
"For more than a decade there has been widespread anabolic steroid use," Mitchell said during a news conference. "Each of the 30 clubs has had players who have been involved."
Yes, All-Stars and Cy Young award winners were among the Major League players publicly linked to the use of performance-enhancing drugs when their names appeared in the Mitchell report released Thursday. The long-awaited report is a study of baseball's so-called Steroids Era and the culmination of a 20-month investigation led by former senator George Mitchell.
Mitchell recommended the commissioner abstain from sanctioning players except in rare case where drug use has compromised the integrity of the game
"The commissioner should give the players and every else the chance to make a fresh start," Mitchell said.
Mitchell noted that it is important to address the use of performance-enhancing drugs not just among the players, but among adolescents. He cited surveys that show 3 to 6 percent of adolescents have used performance-enhancing drugs and said that translates into hundreds of thousands of children. "Every American, not just baseball fans, ought to be shocked into action by that disturbing truth."
After months of speculation over which players would be in the reports, the stars tied to the use of steroids, human growth hormone and other drugs banned by baseball trumped the findings of the Mitchell report. Before Thursday, Bonds was baseball's lone superstar definitively linked to the use of steroids.
Not anymore.
Mitchell said the rare cases in which he suggests Selig take action is not a reference to Bonds or any other specific player.
"That is a reference to my belief that the commissioner must have the ability to make the determination which I've set forth and he alone can judge what actions are so egregious to protect the integrity of the game.''
Separate from the Mitchell investigation, additional names tied to drug use could become public in the coming months. Prominent players and members of the rank-and-file implicated in an ongoing government investigation in Florida into the illegal distribution of performance-enhancing drugs were not in the report, according to a source involved in the investigation.
The Mitchell commission never requested from Florida authorities the names of players implicated in the ongoing investigation of the illegal distribution of steroids by Signature Pharmacy. Although government officials involved in the probe had discussed whether they would provide the names in anticipation of the request, according to the source. The source said discussions by government officials proved moot because Mitchell and his team of investigators never contacted the government investigators.
"Other investigations no doubt will turn up more names and turn up more details, but that is unlikely to significantly alter the description of the baseball Steroid Era set forth in this report," Mitchell said.
In addition to marquee players named in the report, several members of baseball's rank-and-file joined players whose names already had been leaked in published reports before the Mitchell commission's findings were released. An early criticism of the report is that it appears that the testimony of former New York Mets clubhouse attendant Kurt Radomski and, perhaps, a small handful of other lower-level MLB employees elicited most of the new information. "The investigation did not focus on any one club or any one players. Kurt Radomski lived in New York, and as a result he dealt with more players from New York," Mitchell said. "We of course did not select Kurt Radomski and did not select the players he dealt with. We asked him to tell us what happened and told him to tell us the truth. . Indeed, we told that to every witness."
Another longstanding criticism of Mitchell is that he has been a director of the Boston Red Sox since 2001, following the purchase of the team by its current ownership group. Mitchell took a leave from that position during the investigation, said his to the Red Sox did not compromise his ability to issue a fair report.
"Judge me by my work," he said. "Read the report. You will not find any evidence of bias, of special treatment of the Red Sox or anyone else, because there is none. That had no effect, none whatsoever, . on this report."
Mitchell admitted that many potential witnesses and sources of information were unhelpful
"The players union was largely uncooperative, and for reasons that I think are understandable," he said.
News leaks had identified 24 active and retired players allegedly implicated during government investigations into the illegal trafficking and distribution of steroids and other performance-enhancing drugs. Another 18 players had been named since 2005 after testing positive for drugs banned as part of baseball's anti-steroids policy.
Though it created a splash, the naming of players tied to drug use belied the substance of the report, which is more than 300 pages and includes exhibits. The report assigned blame for the drug culture plaguing baseball to owners, players, baseball executives and commissioner Bud Selig. But it went far beyond finger-pointing.
Mitchell said everyone in the game was responsible for the problem going unchecked for years.
"Club officials have routinely discussed the use of steroids when discussing players," he said.
The Mitchell report calls for changes that could serve as a road map for a sport facing political pressure to curb the use of performance-enhancing drugs by its players.
But while baseball's top brass continue to digest the report and decide how to respond, they'll also have to deal with the more immediate impact of players linked to the use of banned drugs. The possible suspension of the players named in the report and the disruption it could cause at the start of next season remains to be seen. But based on recent action by Major League Baseball, the sanctions likely will depend on documents that show when players received banned drugs by the sport.
Jose Guillen and Jay Gibbons have been suspended for 15 games after published reports alleged they received human growth after Major League Baseball banned the drug in 2005. By contrast, four other players -- Gary Mathews Jr., Rick Ankiel, Troy Glaus and Scott Schoewenweis -- linked to HGH escaped sanctions when MLB decided there was "insufficient evidence'' to determine those players had committed a doping violation. Those four were alleged to have received performance-enhancing drugs before 2005.
Regardless, the action demonstrates MLB's willingness to sanction players despite the absence of positive drug tests. The Mitchell report will recommend the sport take action for what are known as non-analytical positives -- documents showing athletes received banned drugs -- and the action against Guillen and Gibbons demonstrate baseball officials are prepared to take those steps.
But some players figure to challenge suspensions based on non-analytical positives Guillen already has instructed the players' union to file a grievance, which will be decided by an arbitrator. Gibbons has accepted his suspension.
Even before the report was issued, baseball's drug testing policy had come under fire. MLB officials touted it as the best in sports, yet the revelations of government investigations suggested many players using banned drugs had escaped detection.
Since 2005, when baseball implemented its drug-testing policy, 18 players have tested positive for banned drugs. Yet before the Mitchell report was released, 24 active and retired players were linked to banned drugs based on evidence seized during government raids, according to published reports. Dozens of other players yet to be named publicly were found to be tied to banned drugs based on evidence seized during government raids, according to published reports.
The integrity of the testing also came under scrutiny. In October, the New York Times published a story alleging the sport's drug-testing procedure may allow time for players to mask their use of performance-enhancing drugs. Drug testers routinely alerted teams a day or two before they arrived at ballparks and experts said that provided enough time for players to mask the presence of banned drugs in their bodies, according to the New York Times' report.
Baseball officials vigorously disputed that any teams exploited the apparent loophole for such purposes. But even before the report, Major League Baseball and other sports have faced pressure to toughen sanctions for positive drug tests.
Under the current policy, players face a 50-game suspension for a first offense, a 100-game suspension for a second offense and a lifetime ban for a third offense. But a White House official said the Bush administration favors the drug policy used by the Olympics that calls for a two-year suspension for a first offense and a lifetime ban for the second offense.
It's clear why baseball and other sports leagues have resisted the sanctions and testing policy enforced by the World Anti-Doping Agency, which oversees drug testing for the Olympics, said Scott Burns, the deputy "drug czar'' of the White House's National Drug Control Policy.
"They don't want to sign on because it's tough and it's specific,'' Burns said during a recent telephone conference call. "There are consequences and it can be monitored and people will be caught. Will they eventually sign on? Just about everybody in the world has.''
If the use of steroids and other banned drugs has dropped, it has modest impact on power numbers in baseball. This year players combined for 4,957 home runs, the first time in a decade the number has fallen short of 5,000.
No player has approached the 73 home runs Barry Bonds hit in 2001, when he smashed the single-season record. That year major leaguers combined to hit 5,458 home runs, the third-highest total in baseball history.
At the same time, no tandem has staged a home-run chase like the one in 1998 that featured Sammy Sosa and Mark McGwire, both now suspected of using banned drugs. That season, Sosa hit 66 home runs and McGwire hit 70 home runs, and major leaguers combined to hit 5,064 homers - the first time in the sport's history the total had eclipsed 5,000.
Until the 1998 season, Roger Maris' record of 61 home runs in a season had stood since 1961.
Baseball's home run bash, especially the display by McGwire and Sosa in 1998, coincided with a spike in attendance and a renewed popularity for a sport had been beset by a player strike that led to the cancellation of the 1994 World Series. And baseball's resurgence has withstood the steroid scandals of recent years.
The same day Bonds was indicted on charges of perjury and obstruction of justice that stemmed from his denying in front of a grand jury that he ever knowingly used performance-enhancing drugs, Selig announced Major League Baseball has set new records for attendance and revenue during the 2007 season.
Josh Peter is a writer for Yahoo! Sports. Send Josh a question or comment for potential use in a future column or webcast.
Updated on Thursday, Dec 13, 2007 2:12 pm, EST
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PLAYERS NAMED IN THE REPORT INCLUDE:
Chad Allen
Rick Ankiel
David Bell
Mike Bell
Marvin Benard
Gary Bennett, Jr.
Larry Bigbie
Barry Bonds
Kevin Brown
Paul Byrd
Jose Canseco
Mark Carreon
Jason Christiansen
Howie Clark
Roger Clemens
Jack Cust
Brendan Donnelly
Chris Donnels
Lenny Dykstra
Bobby Estalella
Matt Franco
Ryan Franklin
Eric Gagne
Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi
Jay Gibbons
Troy Glaus
Jason Grimsley
Jose Guillen
Jerry Hairston, Jr.
Matt Herges
Phil Hiatt
Glenallen Hill
Darren Holmes
Todd Hundley
David Justice
Chuck Knoblauch
Tim Laker
Mike Lansing
Paul Lo Duca
Exavier "Nook" Logan
Josias Manzanillo
Gary Matthews, Jr.
Mark McGwire
Cody McKay
Kent Mercker
Bart Miadich
Hal Morris
Daniel Naulty
Denny Neagle
Rafael Palmeiro
Jim Parque
Andy Pettitte
Adam Piatt
Todd Pratt
Adam Riggs
Brian Roberts
John Rocker
F.P. Santangelo
Benito Santiago
Scott Schoeneweis
David Segui
Gary Sheffield
Miguel Tejada
Ismael Valdez
Mo Vaughn
Randy Velarde
Ron Villone
Fernando Vina
Rondell White
Jeff Williams
Matt Williams
Todd Williams
Steve Woodard
Kevin Young
Gregg Zaun0 -
From A to Z, you have to love that[}:)] 0 -
Bud Selig should be among those with problems. MLB has turned a blind eye to the drugging while the stroid enhanced players drove up the stats and attendence. 0 -
out of those 85 how many lied about it that have broken records?
and mark mcguire never said yes or no, he beat around the bush not giving an answer0 -
I feel a good start would to remove them from the record books, 2 year suspension for active players, ban for life from the hall of fame.
After reading about this forming story all summer I happened to meet Pete Rose a couple of months ago in Vegas. I thought to myself "this is B.S. - this guy hasn't even been accused of throwing games just betting". (as far as I know)
... and some guy signed a $275 mil or so contract a few days ago. TV has ruined pro sports. The money numbers are out of control. Jumping sports, how can the average guy take his boys to a Colt game? I spent about $600.00 this week to purchase tickets to any home playoff game here (if they occur). If they don't, I don't get my money back, just a credit towards next years tickets. Don't even talk to me about beer, coke, popcorn, and hot dogs.
Sorry for the rant guys ... this just hit a sensitive spot!0 -
and to think all poor old Pete Rose did was bet on a few games [}:)] 0 -
Man a lot of them went though Cincy!!! Benito Santiago??? That beanpole? Surely had a lot of sand kicked in his face a s a kid at the beach.... Only had 210 HRs in a 20 yr career... them roids nust work better for some than others!!! 0 -
We have two players on the list. It's embarrassing. [V]
Everybody does stupid things in their lives, I don't feel like these guys should be thrown out of MLB. Even though it does set a bad example for all us old guys that follow the sport.0 -
What about Selig and the players union rep stepping down Sav99? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by tobefree
Man a lot of them went though Cincy!!! Benito Santiago??? That beanpole? Surely had a lot of sand kicked in his face a s a kid at the beach.... Only had 210 HRs in a 20 yr career... them roids nust work better for some than others!!!
Alot? holy hell there must be ever pitcher the Reds have had for the last 10 years on that list.0 -
If they covered this whole thing up instead of dealing with it than maybe they should step down. I can almost understand the players being tempted to use roids for various reasons. That in of itself is real bad, but I almost think that covering it up is worse. 0 -
They all should get the boot and all their records taken down in my opinion. This is the exact reason why I don't bother watching sports anymore. You gauge old players agianst the current players with drugs making everyone the Amazing Hulk.
I feel no pity for these cheaters. Hell worse case they have made millions and lived in the lap of luxury. If I fail a dope test at my job I'm fired with no rehire period.0 -
quote:They all should get the boot and all their records taken down
Imagine for a moment that you are a fringe MLB player. Maybe at the Triple A level, back in the mid 80's to early 90's. You are struggling along in the high minors, making $20 to $30 grand a year. You see Jose Canseco, Mark McGwire, Rob Deer, David Justice and all those other players in the majors, and they came through the minors with you. You KNOW what they did to get their numbers up. You KNOW what they are doing in the Bigs to keep their numbers up. The guy who owns your team, your manager, all your coaches, they KNOW too. You even see the head honcho of MLB, the Commish himself, seemingly turn a blind eye to what he KNOWS is happening and what the other guys are taking. Do you continue struggling along, maybe getting cut and turned away from the only job you have ever worked at, or do you decide to take the plunge and get your million dollar payday by taking roids? Pretty easy decision for most ball players to make.
I'm not condoning what they did. BUT...the head honchos in baseball KNEW. They were getting rich off these guys. If it hadn't been for McGwire and Sosa back in 98, (and all their roid induced homeruns) baseball would STILL be recovering from the strike a few years earlier. THEY KNEW! They were complicit. What about their punishment? You can't start taking away records. Before the roid generation of players, they were all popping uppers and speed like candy. Well...if you take away the roid records, have to go back to the 60's and 70's and early 80's and take away those records. Before that it was something else. Since organized professional sports, teams and individual players have been looking for any advantage they could find. In Ty Cobb's day, it was sharpened spikes. That certainly wasn't very sportsmanlike, but hey, it worked and other players feared the heck out of him. Might as well take away his records too.0 -
Notice how all these records have been broke lately concerning homeruns? It is not fair in the spirit of sportsmanship to have some riod record kept. Now they do a crackdown and say they won't be used agian. Nobody will be able to break that record due to not juicing up.
If I was that player you used as a example I might also just to make the big bucks, however I wouldn't be crying when I got caught cheating. After all I still have millions in the bank. Screw some record at the end of the day. I'd wipe my tears with $100 dollar bills.0 -
quote:Bonds was not alone....
Even when he was by himself.0 -
quote:Originally posted by iluvguns
Pretty easy decision for most ball players to make.
Tht doesn't make it right...
It has to stop somewhere.0 -
Never said it was right. But the players aren't alone. The owners and commish should bear just as much, if not more, of the blame. They let it happen. They didn't stop it when they knew how rampant it was. All they saw was dollar signs. As I said earlier, since competitive sports started, players have been looking for an edge. Back in the day it was sharpened spikes. It grew into roids. And now that roids are outlawed, there WILL be something else come along. 0 -
I am just glad that my childhood heroes were not on the list.... John Smoltz, Tommy Glavine, Greg Maddux, and Chipper Jones. I really hope baseball cleans this all up, but I highly doubt it. Until they do I have lost respect for the game, and will NOT be attending any games or buying ANY MLB merchandise. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by iluvguns
Never said it was right. But the players aren't alone. The owners and commish should bear just as much, if not more, of the blame.
You are dead right on that...
I gave up on MLB a long time ago. As a boy, I loved baseball.....I guess I still do, since I try to watch the little league world series every year.
I'll never attend a pro game so long as I live.0 -
Sammy Sosa was not mentioned on the list above.
Mark Prior was not mentioned with his huge leg muscles and mysterious injuries.
A lot of the players mentioned are skinny two bit players.
Todd Huntly
Jerry Hairston jr
Gary Mathews jr
Aside from passing through Chicago and being thought of as pussies, these three are also sons of former major league baseball players, along with Barry Bonds... I wonder if there is a relationship...pressure to succeed, just like their old man.
Glennallen Hill, another 2 bit player.0 -
WHO CARES! 0 -
Should we call it the Joseph McCarthy Report.
We want names.
Are you now or have you ever....
If I was Donald Fuhr, the players union, I would position it this way.0
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