VA Shooting - Hollowpoints?
I was wondering why all the deaths in this shooting. Granted, any bullet can kill when placed correctly. But typically shooters like this are hap-hazzard in their shot selection.
has anything come out on what type of ammo he was using? 9mm hollow-points would do a lot of damage for sure. 9mm FMJ not as much but certainly coudl kill.
.22s not so much unless the victims were shot multiple times in the right place.
Just curious as to why so many died instead of more being wounded.
has anything come out on what type of ammo he was using? 9mm hollow-points would do a lot of damage for sure. 9mm FMJ not as much but certainly coudl kill.
.22s not so much unless the victims were shot multiple times in the right place.
Just curious as to why so many died instead of more being wounded.
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bullets are dangerous. 0 -
These shootings were done execution style, so I was told.
Any bullet will kill in that case.0 -
This thread is irrelevant and completely tasteless. Dead is dead. 0 -
ditto Woods 0 -
Although the thread may be in "bad taste", it does bring up a valid point.
Why was this shooting so lethal?
Like Slipgate said, was it ammo or some other factor?
What struck me almost immediately when I heard about this shooting was the high lethality rate among the casualties. Especially with a handgun. This guy must have known what he was doing. He was 23, maybe he had been trained in firearms handling?
It'll be interesting to find out what armament he had.0 -
The shooting was so lethal because the murderer was cold, calm and completely emotionally detached. He fired on unsuspecting targets at close range. End of story. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by jbc23060
The shooting was so lethal because the murderer was cold, calm and completely emotionally detached. He fired on unsuspecting targets at close range. End of story.
Can't the same be said of Columbine? And there were two of them.0 -
Even vultures can be patient. The relevant information will be revealed. It's a tragedy. Focusing on the weapons and ammo at this point is ghoulish and fuels the fires of the anti-gun crowd.
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quote:Originally posted by woodshermit
Even vultures can be patient. The relevant information will be revealed. It's a tragedy. Focusing on the weapons and ammo at this point is ghoulish and fuels the fires of the anti-gun crowd.
Whatever
Nobody is asking you to participate in this discussion.
I see nothing wrong with discussing what factors could have contributed to making this shooting the most deadly in US history. Weapon and ammo choice is just one of those factors. I think that this guy had some sort of military training, and that is why he was so deadly.0 -
It is a valid thread. If you are too sensitive to discuss this matter, you can go to different threads.
I too was struck by the fact that there were more killed than injured. And, many of the injured were not shot, they were hurt by jumping out of windows.0 -
quote:Originally posted by bigtire
Although the thread may be in "bad taste", it does bring up a valid point.
Why was this shooting so lethal?
Like Slipgate said, was it ammo or some other factor?
What struck me almost immediately when I heard about this shooting was the high lethality rate among the casualties. Especially with a handgun. This guy must have known what he was doing. He was 23, maybe he had been trained in firearms handling?
It'll be interesting to find out what armament he had.
Why would that be "interesting"?
What the heck difference does it make?
This guy locked the door behind him and started executing people at point blank range. Nobody could run away, and that's why it was so lethal.
It was the proverbial shooting fish in a barrel situation. He could shoot as many times as he wanted, anywhere he wanted.
At that point the make or caliber of guns are totally irrelevant, as is the type of ammunition. He could have done the exact same thing with any one of several hundred different types of pistols or ammo.
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It was a 9mm Glock. (Like that makes any difference).
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quote:Originally posted by beantownshootah
Why would that be "interesting"?
What the heck difference does it make?
This guy locked the door behind him and started executing people at point blank range. Nobody could run away, and that's why it was so lethal.
It was the proverbial shooting fish in a barrel situation. He could shoot as many times as he wanted, anywhere he wanted.
At that point the make or caliber of guns are totally irrelevant, as is the type of ammunition. He could have done the exact same thing with any one of several hundred different types of pistols or ammo.
Now please drop this juvenile and tasteless topic.
It is interesting for future reference and analysis of how Americans still respond to assaults even now. On 11 September, 2001 the men in three airplanes watched defenseless girls get knifed and sat back, did nothing and allowed themselves to be used a missiles against other Americans.
On 16 April, 2007 men in the classroom or rooms allowed a single person wielding two handguns to slaughter not only themselves but the girls in that or those classrooms.
If is was a calm, controlled executioner who had to re-load to accomplish his task, why was he not rushed? Hollow-points would have allowed him to be less deliberate, but FMJ would have penetrated a protective shield thrown up in front of a group of men that chose to rush him. If we as individuals do not analyze the weapons and ammo used, and do it while the memory is still painful, we will loose the impetus, and will not consider how to combat such an event in the future.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus Originally posted by beantownshootah
Now please drop this juvenile and tasteless topic.
This is certainly not a juvenile topic. Tasteless to some... maybe.
If you find it tasteless, I suggest you discontinue reading it.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
It is interesting for future reference and analysis of how Americans still respond to assaults even now. On 11 September, 2001 the men in three airplanes watched defenseless girls get knifed and sat back, did nothing and allowed themselves to be used a missiles against other Americans.
I fail to see how the make of the pistol is a factor here.
After 9-11 did you enquire as to the make of the box cutters that the terrorists used?
Were the blades carbon steel or stainless steel? Did you consider the effect of disposeable box-cutters vs. those that take replaceable blades? Why not?
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If is was a calm, controlled executioner who had to re-load to accomplish his task, why was he not rushed?
That's a pretty easy thing to say when there isn't some deranged lunatic casually shooting bullets into your head and the heads of your friends sitting next to you.
Have you ever tried to rush a homicidal maniac with a loaded pistol who was actively executing people? Would you care to try it?
Do you suppose its possible to reload a 9mm in under three seconds? How long do you think your effort would last?
Do you think that *maybe* people were a little scared? *Maybe* it took a few seconds to figure out what on earth was happening and that they couldn't escape? And maybe by the time it became clear what was happening, many were already dead, and the shooter had a good tactical position?
And how, sir, do you know someone did NOT try to intervene?
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Hollow-points would have allowed him to be less deliberate, but FMJ would have penetrated a protective shield thrown up in front of a group of men that chose to rush him.
I can't believe what I am reading.
Why don't you explain to us what your strategy is to defeat an armed homicidal lunatic in a classroom, and how said strategy would be different depending on the type of ammunition he has.
As part of your answer, make sure to explain how you can TELL what kind of ammunition he's shooting at you during the shooting, and what kind he has in the five other magazines he's NOT actively shooting.
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If we as individuals do not analyze the weapons and ammo used, and do it while the memory is still painful, we will loose the impetus, and will not consider how to combat such an event in the future.
Carry on Mr. Mitty, the department of homeland security awaits your report.0 -
There is no guaranteed "strategy',.......just the fact that if 15 or 20 people are lined up against a wall, and the gunman starts executing people, your only chance is to rush him. Sure, 5 or more would likely be killed, but it is better than all, and once again,.......your only chance.If you are GOING to die, you can make the choice between "on your feet, or on your knees". Now, I am hoping to never have to find out what my response would truly be, as none of us can be sure of, unless we were there. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by beantownshootah
...Carry on Mr. Mitty, the department of homeland security awaits your report.
That was actually pretty well done, beany. Humorous, but missing the point.
Obviously during the event the type of weapon, type of ammo, or temper of a blade will not be a consideration.
We are not in the middle of the event now, and it is fairly silly to say: "Wow, if this happens again, I guess there is nothing we can do". If that is truly your mind-set, I guess Ms. Brady is right.
I honestly don't know what I would do, and would imagine few of us do. I would hope that I would do something. Doing something suggests thinking about it before hand so that it would be more effective. In thinking about thwarting a future event, yes, the type of weapon and ammo that is available and that was used is worth considering because it may effect how we should respond.
This event is going to be addressed in the halls of Congress. We all know what their initial reaction is going to be. I guess I prefer that knowledgeable people thoroughly evaluate this situation and consider all aspects, whether they lead to a significant conclusion or if they are simply interesting. And no, I should not be considered to be one of those knowledgeable people. I do, however, like to be as informed as possible.0
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