Question for everybody & LEO's.
Question for everybody & LEO's.
Do you guys really think the cities and states that require toy guns to have the gun painted, or just to have the 'tip' painted makes a difference?
What I mean is that some guy planning a robbery/ theft can go to home depot and or a beauty shop and buy nail polish/ paint and put it on a 'real' gun. The unsuspecting people will think its a toy if he/ she brandished it in public, since some toy guns do infact look real. Then he could possibly get away with the crime.
What say you?
Do you guys really think the cities and states that require toy guns to have the gun painted, or just to have the 'tip' painted makes a difference?
What I mean is that some guy planning a robbery/ theft can go to home depot and or a beauty shop and buy nail polish/ paint and put it on a 'real' gun. The unsuspecting people will think its a toy if he/ she brandished it in public, since some toy guns do infact look real. Then he could possibly get away with the crime.
What say you?
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I don't care if it's pink with polka-dots, I will treat it as real. 0 -
I think it's very important. My nephews always liked toy guns, and when I got my kel-tec p32 with a green grip, it looked like it could be a toy too.
I had a long long talk with them about their toy guns, and why they were painted red on the end. They knew that if a gun did not have a red tip it was "officially real", and that they had to go find an adult. Also, if their red tip came off of their toy guns, they knew to take it to an adult to be fixed.
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Painted tip or not, (as an LEO) if someone points one at me, they are bought and paid for. I personally don't think they do much for adults but more for children to help identify them as toys, but that could probably be debated. 0 -
Two sides to it here:
First it can't really hurt to have the red on the end to help identify it. So why not!
Second, there is nothing to keep a criminal from painting a red tip on a real gun to give him an edge of a spit second to kill someome.
So it could be either good or bad depending on how it is looked at.0 -
I agree! I think all the bb guns, pellet guns and toy guns need some kind of identification so the police can ID them quickly. I may prevent several deaths per year.
I know they can be painted but its unlikely that anyone would go to the trouble to paint a plastic gun. If the color thing helps its worth the effort. People go nuts when a teen is shot because he/she points it at an officer to do the "death by cop" routine.[:(]0 -
And that's why toy guns are a no-no for my 2, and gun type play will be strongly discouraged. I do take 'em to the shops and tell them about guns especially the old milsurp stuff (that one is from russia, that one is from china, that one is from....), and do what I can to take the mystery out of 'em, and my oldest is about ready for the milk jug demo. Hopefully I'll be able to keep 'em where any gun they see is considered a real gun, but not such big deal, just tell me/mom, not to be played with, etc. 0 -
What would it matter if it was painted? It shouldnt, you shouldnt be robbing places.. 0 -
My view?
Unless you are a very young child pointing an obvious toy gun at me, I will treat any gun pointed at me as real, painted or otherwise.
Attempt to cause mayhem to me or a loved one using a fake or real gun, and the consequences are the same... someone's gonna have to call the coroner, and I plan on going home that night.0 -
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You make a good hypothetical point but I doubt if having a real gun painted to look like a toy would have an impact on getting caught or not.0 -
I have encountered kids with the realistic toys. Fortunately, it was daylight, and I was able to identify the toys as toys.
We had an 18-year-old idiot here who tried to stick up a store with a realistic-looking toy gun. The store owner thought it was real, and produced his own very real gun, and removed the idiot from the gene pool.
The problem is not whether a toy gun looks real, or has an orange tip. The orange tip of a toy gun can be painted over, or the tip of a real gun can be painted orange. The problem is the kids' parents don't teach them ordinary common sense survival skills, such as, "If you are playing with your realistic-looking toy, don't use it in such a way as to alarm someone who doesn't know the difference."0 -
quote:Originally posted by nunn
I have encountered kids with the realistic toys. Fortunately, it was daylight, and I was able to identify the toys as toys.
We had an 18-year-old idiot here who tried to stick up a store with a realistic-looking toy gun. The store owner thought it was real, and produced his own very real gun, and removed the idiot from the gene pool.
The problem is not whether a toy gun looks real, or has an orange tip. The orange tip of a toy gun can be painted over, or the tip of a real gun can be painted orange. The problem is the kids' parents don't teach them ordinary common sense survival skills, such as, "If you are playing with your realistic-looking toy, don't use it in such a way as to alarm someone who doesn't know the difference."
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I've yet to see a bad guy dressing up a real gun to look like a toy.
In a robbery they're generally counting on fear/intimidation to gain quick compliance, which is one of the reasons you see them sticking guns directly in people's faces, pistol whipping and screaming their heads off. The last thing they want is a victim even thinking they're running a bluff.0 -
quote:Originally posted by 65gto389
Question for everybody & LEO's.
Do you guys really think the cities and states that require toy guns to have the gun painted, or just to have the 'tip' painted makes a difference?
What I mean is that some guy planning a robbery/ theft can go to home depot and or a beauty shop and buy nail polish/ paint and put it on a 'real' gun. The unsuspecting people will think its a toy if he/ she brandished it in public, since some toy guns do infact look real. Then he could possibly get away with the crime.
What say you?
I say I never thought of that. I gotts to go now and buy a can of paint. Think I'll stop at Casey's on the way back home.0 -
[8D]--The problem hasn't been a bad guy painting a real gun tip orange--
--The problem has been YOUNG gangers painting the toy Berratta/Glock tip BLACK and being treated just like a REAL criminal when they make their crime scene--
--The officer, on confrontation can't tell whether or not it's real or toy and can't take the time to "ponder on it"---
--All toy gun clones shoulda been outlawed a long time ago and NOW--
--[:(][:(]--JIMBO0 -
As usual there is confusion between the tool and the user. A toy gun, even if it is kept in a pocket and the intent is to instill fear, is going to make the crook dead. And newspapers that report that Joe Blow crook was shot to death while using a toy gun in a robbery, will usually also report that his mother said he was a "good boy, that never got into trouble".
It is not the toy that gets them into trouble, it's the choices they make.0 -
i dont know of its a federal law or a mass law, but i know at least around here, the use of a toy gun in a crime carries with it the same penalties as if it were a real gun 0 -
quote:Originally posted by jimbowby
[8D]--The problem hasn't been a bad guy painting a real gun tip orange--
--The problem has been YOUNG gangers painting the toy Berratta/Glock tip BLACK and being treated just like a REAL criminal when they make their crime scene--
--The officer, on confrontation can't tell whether or not it's real or toy and can't take the time to "ponder on it"---
--All toy gun clones shoulda been outlawed a long time ago and NOW--
--[:(][:(]--JIMBO
In todays sue happy society, you would think a "victim's" family would be suing the toy manufacturer.0 -
Whether or not it actually helps, it doesn't hurt and it may save some young kid from getting blown away by mistake in that eternal fraction of a second. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by dano
All the cops that I know and have worked with, don't make any distinction between a toy gun and a real one.
They all get treated as one. YOU guess which.......[;)]
A toy?0 -
O.K. , lots of various opinions on this , I must say that I have Not had this problem as an officer , Yet ? and will say that also , if/when confronted with a "gun"? , it will be treated as real ...
This is a very serious situation , and I dont think there is an easy answer to this ...
Thanks !!!
d.a.stearns
Gunsmith / LEO
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