The Death of Davy Crockett
Crockett died in battle of the Alamo on March 6, 1836. The manner of his death was uncertain, however, until the publication in 1975 of the diary of Lt. Jos? Enrique de la Pe?a. Susanna Dickinson, wife of Almaron Dickinson,v an officer at the Alamo, said Crockett died on the outside, one of the earliest to fall. Joe, Travis's slave and the only male Texan to survive the battle, reported seeing Crockett lying dead with slain Mexicans around him and stated that only one man, named Warner, surrendered to the Mexicans (Warner was taken to Santa Anna and promptly shot). When Pe?a's eyewitness account was placed together with other corroborating documents, Crockett's central part in the defense became clear. Travis had previously written that during the first bombardment Crockett was everywhere in the Alamo "animating the men to do their duty." Other reports told of the deadly fire of his rifle that killed five Mexican gunners in succession, as they each attempted to fire a cannon bearing on the fort, and that he may have just missed Santa Anna, who thought himself out of range of all the defenders' rifles. Crockett and five or six others were captured when the Mexican troops took the Alamo at about six o'clock that morning, even though Santa Anna had ordered that no prisoners be taken. The general, infuriated when some of his officers brought the Americans before him to try to intercede for their lives, ordered them executed immediately. They were bayoneted and then shot. Crockett's reputation and that of the other survivors was not, as some have suggested, sullied by their capture. Their dignity and bravery was, in fact, further underscored by Pe?a's recounting that "these unfortunates died without complaining and without humiliating themselves before their torturers."
The source for the above is The Texas State Historical Association
so despite the claims of his death during battle the modern accepted rule is he was captured and tortured to death.
http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/CC/fcr24.html
The source for the above is The Texas State Historical Association
so despite the claims of his death during battle the modern accepted rule is he was captured and tortured to death.
http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/CC/fcr24.html
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Is dis here fella one of dem dar illygull immigrints?
quote:Jos? Enrique de la Pe?a0 -
No Spanielsells, it was Mexico at the time, Crockett was the illegal. 0 -
Colonel David Crockett (August 17, 1786 - March 6, 1836) was a celebrated 19th-century American folk hero, frontiersman, soldier and politician; usually referred to as Davy Crockett and by the popular title "King of the Wild Frontier". He represented Tennessee in the U.S. House of Representatives, served in the Texas Revolution, and died at the age of 49 at the Battle of the Alamo.
[What really makes Mr.Crockett unique is He died for what He belived in...Todays politicans would have hid in a "Bomb" shelter and when confronted by the enemy...tried to buy there way out.][^]
While Mr. Crockett was fighting for his country...The rest in Washington D.C. were trying to band large capacity powder horns[:D]0 -
Yes, and there is also a report that Crockett and a few others were actually released and left. There is also a statement by Crockett's family that they recieved, after the Alamo, a letter from Crockett saying that he was coming home, but first he wanted to go and see the Rocky Mountains.
Everyone fought bravely to the death appears to have been just a rallying cry. "Remember the Alamo"0 -
quote:Originally posted by mcaso
Yes, and there is also a report that Crockett and a few others were actually released and left. There is also a statement by Crockett's family that they recieved, after the Alamo, a letter from Crockett saying that he was coming home, but first he wanted to go and see the Rocky Mountains.
Everyone fought bravely to the death appears to have been just a rallying cry. "Remember the Alamo"
I heard he went to Miami Florida, lived on a boat and became a NARC.0 -
That version probably has as much chance of being true as the rest of them. I wouldn't put too much faith in Pe?a diary though. Every time somebody proves it's authentic, somebody else debunks and invalidates it. It's not like there was a cash motive [;)]. I don't think we will ever know the complete true story.
Crockett's political career in Tennessee was pretty much over. He went to Texas with the hope of a fresh start. After he failed to get reelected to congress he is supposed to have said "My constituents can go to Hell. As for me, I'm going to Texas."0 -
Little by little, the various historians and so-called mavens (enthusiasts) are slowly chipping away at the legend and lore of what has made America so great.
I suspect that in time, pretty much everything we grew up learning and appreciating will be mollified and rewritten. The crunchy granola of our early years will morph down into mushy pablum so that it can be "gummed" down and diegested by society, nice and easy.
Future generations will lose the real impact of what all these people in our nation's early history actually sacrificed and in turn accomplished.
Truth is essential and it has its place in history but I'm beginning to think that many alleged historians just want to cast the spectre of doubt on long ago events and those people who are no longer around to defend or refute things.
Just my 2 cents on historians and mavens.[;)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by Slow_Hand
Little by little, the various historians and so-called mavens (enthusiasts) are slowly chipping away at the legend and lore of what has made America so great.
I suspect that in time, pretty much everything we grew up learning and appreciating will be mollified and rewritten. The crunchy granola of our early years will morph down into mushy pablum so that it can be "gummed" down and diegested by society, nice and easy.
Future generations will lose the real impact of what all these people in our nation's early history actually sacrificed and in turn accomplished.
Truth is essential and it has its place in history but I'm beginning to think that many alleged historians just want to cast the spectre of doubt on long ago events and those people who are no longer around to defend or refute things.
Just my 2 cents on historians and mavens.[;)]
You mean that George Washington really lied about chopping down the cherry tree?0 -
quote:Originally posted by Slow_Hand
Little by little, the various historians and so-called mavens (enthusiasts) are slowly chipping away at the legend and lore of what has made America so great.
I still like the part about when he "Kilt a Bar when he was only three" Hope the historians keep that one.[:D]0 -
quote:Originally posted by Slow_Hand
Little by little, the various historians and so-called mavens (enthusiasts) are slowly chipping away at the legend and lore of what has made America so great.
I suspect that in time, pretty much everything we grew up learning and appreciating will be mollified and rewritten. The crunchy granola of our early years will morph down into mushy pablum so that it can be "gummed" down and diegested by society, nice and easy.
Future generations will lose the real impact of what all these people in our nation's early history actually sacrificed and in turn accomplished.
Truth is essential and it has its place in history but I'm beginning to think that many alleged historians just want to cast the spectre of doubt on long ago events and those people who are no longer around to defend or refute things.
Just my 2 cents on historians and mavens.[;)]
I'm glad I'm not the only one who has noticed this. When I was in school several years ago (OK, a bunch of years ago) we learned a quote by Nathan Hale; "I only regret that I have but one life to give for my country."
Now the quote is "I only regret that I have but one life to lose for my country."
Now, I'll grant that that is a very small change. Kind of like one slice off a bologna.0 -
quote:Little by little, the various historians and so-called mavens (enthusiasts) are slowly chipping away at the legend and lore of what has made America so great.
America wasn't built upon legend and lore to make it great - it was made great by men who enjoyed telling a whopper, once in a while. Now it's peopled by those who enjoy eating double whoppers, drinking a cool one and 'watching the game(s)' all weekend long. In an increasing part of 'our country' it's downing a taco or two and munching some warmed up nachos and shoveling in the refried beans while watching futbol!
... as far as continuing to make 'America great' ... that's pretty murky at the moment. I'd imagine there won't be much left of 'Merica in a couple of decades, amigos.[:D]0 -
quote:Originally posted by JamesRK
I'm glad I'm not the only one who has noticed this. When I was in school several years ago (OK, a bunch of years ago) we learned a quote by Nathan Hale; "I only regret that I have but one life to give for my country."
Now the quote is "I only regret that I have but one life to lose for my country."
Now, I'll grant that that is a very small change. Kind of like one slice off a bologna.
Good point JamesRK.
It's actually a HUGE change. "Give" means he willingly and proudly went to the gallows and that he would do it again. "Lose" means he acquiesced and acknowledged that he had no choice in hanging but that wanted to make the most of it. Psychologically, the two words are profoundly different in the feelings each evokes.0 -
quote:Originally posted by He Dog
No Spanielsells, it was Mexico at the time, Crockett was the illegal.
Actually, all the Tribes paid tribute to one King at an earlier time[}:)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by zipperzap
I'd imagine there won't be much left of 'Merica in a couple of decades, amigos.[:D]
On the Spannish TV news stations right here in town (there are at least 6 here in Houston) they already call us the EUA.0 -
Spanielsells
Benjamin Botts was the early Washington biographer, who invented the cherry tree story and several others (e.g. silver dollar across the Potomac).0
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