Immigration Bill - RIP! YES YES YES YES YES!
http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070607/D8PJU2F00.html
WASHINGTON (AP) - A fragile compromise that would legalize millions of unlawful immigrants risks coming unraveled after the Senate voted early Thursday to place a five-year limit on a program meant to provide U.S. employers with 200,000 temporary foreign workers annually.
The 49-48 vote came two weeks after the Senate, also by a one-vote margin, rejected the same amendment by Sen. Byron Dorgan. The North Dakota Democrat says immigrants take many jobs Americans could fill.
The reversal dismayed backers of the immigration bill, which is supported by President Bush but loathed by many conservatives. Business interests and their congressional allies were already angry that the temporary worker program had been cut in half from its original 400,000-person-a-year target.
A five-year sunset, they said, could knock the legs from the precarious bipartisan coalition aligned with the White House. The Dorgan amendment "is a tremendous problem, but it's correctable," said Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa. The coalition will try as early as Thursday to persuade at least one senator to help reverse the outcome yet again, he said.
Until the Dorgan vote was tallied, Specter and other leaders of the so-called "grand bargain" on immigration had enjoyed a fairly good day.
They had turned back a bid to reduce the number of illegal immigrants who could gain lawful status. They also defeated an effort to postpone the bill's shift to an emphasis on education and skills among visa applicants as opposed to family connections.
And they fended off an amendment, by Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., that would have ended a new point system for those seeking permanent resident "green cards" after five years rather than 14 years.
All three amendments were seen as potentially fatal blows to the bill, which would tighten borders, hike penalties for those who hire illegals and give many of the country's estimated 12 million illegal immigrants a pathway to legal status.
The Senate voted 51-46 to reject a proposal by Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, to bar criminals - including those ordered by judges to be deported - from gaining legal status. Democrats siphoned support from Cornyn's proposal by winning adoption, 66-32, of a rival version that would bar a more limited set of criminals, including certain gang members and sex offenders, from gaining legalization.
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., alone among his party's presidential aspirants in backing the immigration measure, opposed Cornyn's bid and backed the Democratic alternative offered by Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass.
Senators also rejected a proposal by Robert Menendez, D-N.J., that would have delayed the bill's shift in favor of attracting foreign workers with needed skills as opposed to keeping families together. Menendez won 53 votes, seven short of the 60 needed under a Senate procedural rule invoked by his opponents.
Menendez's proposal would have allowed more than 800,000 people who had applied for permanent legal status by the beginning of 2007 to obtain green cards based purely on their family connections - a preference the bill ends for most relatives who got in line after May 2005.
Meanwhile, Sen. Hillary R. Clinton, D-N.Y., fell short in her bid to remove limits on visas for the spouses and minor children of immigrants with permanent resident status.
While several Cornyn amendments failed, he prevailed on one matter opposed by the grand bargainers. That amendment, adopted 57 to 39, would make it easier to locate and deport illegal immigrants whose visa applications are rejected.
The bill would have barred law enforcement agencies from seeing applications for so-called Z visas, which can lead to citizenship if granted. Cornyn said legal authorities should know if applicants have criminal records that would warrant their deportation.
Opponents said eligible applicants might be afraid to file applications if they believe they are connected to deportation actions. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., said in an interview that Cornyn's amendment was "not a deal-killer" but would have to be changed in House-Senate negotiations.
WASHINGTON (AP) - A fragile compromise that would legalize millions of unlawful immigrants risks coming unraveled after the Senate voted early Thursday to place a five-year limit on a program meant to provide U.S. employers with 200,000 temporary foreign workers annually.
The 49-48 vote came two weeks after the Senate, also by a one-vote margin, rejected the same amendment by Sen. Byron Dorgan. The North Dakota Democrat says immigrants take many jobs Americans could fill.
The reversal dismayed backers of the immigration bill, which is supported by President Bush but loathed by many conservatives. Business interests and their congressional allies were already angry that the temporary worker program had been cut in half from its original 400,000-person-a-year target.
A five-year sunset, they said, could knock the legs from the precarious bipartisan coalition aligned with the White House. The Dorgan amendment "is a tremendous problem, but it's correctable," said Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa. The coalition will try as early as Thursday to persuade at least one senator to help reverse the outcome yet again, he said.
Until the Dorgan vote was tallied, Specter and other leaders of the so-called "grand bargain" on immigration had enjoyed a fairly good day.
They had turned back a bid to reduce the number of illegal immigrants who could gain lawful status. They also defeated an effort to postpone the bill's shift to an emphasis on education and skills among visa applicants as opposed to family connections.
And they fended off an amendment, by Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., that would have ended a new point system for those seeking permanent resident "green cards" after five years rather than 14 years.
All three amendments were seen as potentially fatal blows to the bill, which would tighten borders, hike penalties for those who hire illegals and give many of the country's estimated 12 million illegal immigrants a pathway to legal status.
The Senate voted 51-46 to reject a proposal by Sen. John Cornyn, R-Texas, to bar criminals - including those ordered by judges to be deported - from gaining legal status. Democrats siphoned support from Cornyn's proposal by winning adoption, 66-32, of a rival version that would bar a more limited set of criminals, including certain gang members and sex offenders, from gaining legalization.
Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., alone among his party's presidential aspirants in backing the immigration measure, opposed Cornyn's bid and backed the Democratic alternative offered by Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Mass.
Senators also rejected a proposal by Robert Menendez, D-N.J., that would have delayed the bill's shift in favor of attracting foreign workers with needed skills as opposed to keeping families together. Menendez won 53 votes, seven short of the 60 needed under a Senate procedural rule invoked by his opponents.
Menendez's proposal would have allowed more than 800,000 people who had applied for permanent legal status by the beginning of 2007 to obtain green cards based purely on their family connections - a preference the bill ends for most relatives who got in line after May 2005.
Meanwhile, Sen. Hillary R. Clinton, D-N.Y., fell short in her bid to remove limits on visas for the spouses and minor children of immigrants with permanent resident status.
While several Cornyn amendments failed, he prevailed on one matter opposed by the grand bargainers. That amendment, adopted 57 to 39, would make it easier to locate and deport illegal immigrants whose visa applications are rejected.
The bill would have barred law enforcement agencies from seeing applications for so-called Z visas, which can lead to citizenship if granted. Cornyn said legal authorities should know if applicants have criminal records that would warrant their deportation.
Opponents said eligible applicants might be afraid to file applications if they believe they are connected to deportation actions. Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., said in an interview that Cornyn's amendment was "not a deal-killer" but would have to be changed in House-Senate negotiations.
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Sweet!
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yep, just saw it on bay news 9, kinda upsetting that they sounded like they were sad it was happening. 0 -
It will be interesting to see which senator takes the payoff.
I wonder if they have a rotation system for the goodies ??
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Allah should allow for this law to pass. Your borders should be secured and Ted Kennedy is a good friend to the Iranian people. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by spanielsells Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., said in an interview that Cornyn's amendment was "not a deal-killer" but would have to be changed in House-Senate negotiations.
This part I don't like. Not that I like ANY part of it, there should not even BE an immigration bill that says anything but NO to the vast majority of immigrants both illegal and legal.
Feinstein, one of the profiteers of the "War on Terrorism".0 -
If this crap house bill ever passes it will be the end of ICE because they would have to give a illegal a application so he could fill it out and be legal. Kennedy Bush amnesty bill is a slap in all Legal Americans and the legal immigrants. 0 -
It's possible that the Bush-Kennedy-McCain Amnesty Bill will fall apart by sundown! Right now it is still alive...barely. Let's hope and pray that it dies a rapid death. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Doug Wilson
It will be interesting to see which senator takes the payoff.
I wonder if they have a rotation system for the goodies ??
Doug
You can bet that the money and/or gifts are there for the taking. I would not doubt that blackmail is in the making either.0 -
Common folks right now what is needed to know is how did they vote.... anyone know a good link... I can't find any info....
It is pretty obvious that some of these bozos need to go collect unemployment....0 -
The critical vote count begins in 48 minutes! Keep 'em crossed! 0 -
quote:Originally posted by tobefree
Common folks right now what is needed to know is how did they vote.... anyone know a good link... I can't find any info....
It is pretty obvious that some of these bozos need to go collect unemployment....
I got this from Numbers USA a little while ago!
From: Anne Manetas, Deputy Director NumbersUSA
Date: 07JUN07 2:30
Your Senator Voted NO on Cloture This Morning, Ask Them to Vote NO AGAIN
PHONE YOUR SENATOR BEFORE 5:30 TO VOTE NO ON CLOTURE
If you are receiving this alert, you have at least one U.S. Senator who voted NO on cloture on S. 1348 this morning. Your Senator(s) was one of 61 Senators who voted NO on cloture this morning, but the 5 pm cloture vote is what really counts.
If you are able to do so, please phone your Senator immediately to thank them for their NO vote and encourage them to vote NO again this afternoon. It is especially important that we focus on Democratic Senators. We know that some of the Democrats who voted against cloture do favor the bill, but many in the list may be persuaded to vote against cloture this evening if they get some positive feedback this afternoon. Your phone call could make the difference.
You can reach your Senator via the Capitol Switchboard: (202) 224-3121.
SENATORS VOTING NO ON CLOTURE THIS MORNING
Democrats
Baucus,Max (MT)
Boxer,Barbara (CA)
Byrd,Robert (WV)
Conrad,Kent (ND)
Dorgan,Byron (ND)
Landrieu,Mary (LA)
McCaskill,Claire (MO)
Pryor,Mark (AR)
Reid,Harry (NV)
Rockefeller,John (WV)
Stabenow,Debbie (MI)
tester,Jon (MT)
Webb,James (VA)
Sanders,Bernie (VT)
Republicans
Alexander,Lamar (TN)
Allard,Wayne (CO)
Bennett,Robert (UT)
Bond,Kit (MO)
Brownback,Sam (KS)
Bunning,Jim (KY)
Burr,Richard (NC)
Chambliss,Saxby (GA)
Coburn,Tom (OK)
Cochran,Thad (MS)
Coleman,Norm (MN)
Collins,Susan (ME)
Corker,Bob (TN)
Cornyn,John (TX)
Craig,Larry (ID)
Crapo,Michael (ID)
DeMint,James (SC)
Dole,Elizabeth (NC)
Domenici,Pete (NM)
Ensign,John (NV)
Enzi,Michael (WY)
Graham,Lindsey (SC)
Grassley,Charles (IA)
Gregg,Judd (NH)
Hagel,Chuck (NE)
Hatch,Orrin (UT)
Hutchison,Kay Bailey (TX)
Inhofe,James (OK)
Isakson,Johnny (GA)
Kyl,Jon (AZ)
Lott,Trent (MS)
Lugar,Richard (IN)
Martinez,Mel (FL)
McConnell,Mitch (KY)
Murkowski,Lisa (AK)
Roberts,Pat (KS)
Sessions,Jeff (AL)
Shelby,Richard (AL)
Smith,Gordon (OR)
Snowe,Olympia (ME)
Specter,Arlen (PA)
Stevens,Ted (AK)
Sununu,John (NH)
Thune,John (SD)
Vitter,David (LA)
Voinovich,George (OH)
Warner,John (VA)0 -
Cool thanks 0 -
Just sent, My guy was born in cuba. 0 -
Well we have at least one idjut
Ohio: Brown (D-OH), Yea Voinovich (R-OH), Nay0 -
Didn't this poster use to say something else!! 
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Interesting to see the split of Democrats vs Republicans. The democrats want this bill and are the sponsors, but certain folks on this forum pertend its a Bush bill. He backs it but its a Democratic piece of legislation.
Mr McCain showed himself up for the liberal his is by snuggling up with the Democrats over this issue.0 -
quote:Originally posted by sig232
Interesting to see the split of Democrats vs Republicans. The democrats want this bill and are the sponsors, but certain folks on this forum pertend its a Bush bill. He backs it but its a Democratic piece of legislation.
Mr McCain showed himself up for the liberal his is by snuggling up with the Democrats over this issue.
I believe all our democrates on this forum feel that this is a bill that was all bush's doing!
They have a hard time with the fact that the dems are the root of many of this counties problems!
And I'm not saying that the republicans are perfect! Just that they do alot less screwwing up of the country than the dems!0 -
quote:Originally posted by git_r_done
quote:Originally posted by sig232
Interesting to see the split of Democrats vs Republicans. The democrats want this bill and are the sponsors, but certain folks on this forum pertend its a Bush bill. He backs it but its a Democratic piece of legislation.
Mr McCain showed himself up for the liberal his is by snuggling up with the Democrats over this issue.
I believe all our democrates on this forum feel that this is a bill that was all bush's doing!
They have a hard time with the fact that the dems are the root of many of this counties problems!
And I'm not saying that the republicans are perfect! Just that they do alot less screwwing up of the country than the dems!
My fellow freedom fighters love Democrats. We are hoping that they control your White House next time around.0 -
We'll see. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Justa-Troll
quote:Originally posted by git_r_done
quote:Originally posted by sig232
Interesting to see the split of Democrats vs Republicans. The democrats want this bill and are the sponsors, but certain folks on this forum pertend its a Bush bill. He backs it but its a Democratic piece of legislation.
Mr McCain showed himself up for the liberal his is by snuggling up with the Democrats over this issue.
I believe all our democrates on this forum feel that this is a bill that was all bush's doing!
They have a hard time with the fact that the dems are the root of many of this counties problems!
And I'm not saying that the republicans are perfect! Just that they do alot less screwwing up of the country than the dems!
My fellow freedom fighters love Democrats. We are hoping that they control your White House next time around.
What do you care?!?!
Your funky azz is from Iran! You need to be putting your head between your legs and kissing your azz goodbye because we are comming for your country next![;)][:D][8D][:o)]0 -
Some may say that you are right while others say that you are wrong. However, Allah knows and he will protect us and help a Democrat get elected.
Soon all of your females will be wearing burkahs and they will be sexy like Paris Hilton.0 -
Wow, this is pretty interesting fallout...
1. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601086&sid=aXhmExImUeKM&refer=latin_america
quote:June 7 (Bloomberg) -- The Senate's proposed overhaul of U.S. immigration law failed a critical test vote as Democrats urged President George W. Bush to rally Republicans to rescue the legislation.
The 33 votes to limit debate were 27 short of the 60 needed to move toward a final vote on legislation granting legal status to 12 million undocumented aliens. Democratic Leader Harry Reid of Nevada said he would seek another vote later today. If it fails, ``the bill's gone,'' Reid said. ``What else can I do?''
Reid appealed to Bush to twist the arms of 47 Republicans who voted against limiting debate, saying the legislation's demise would produce headlines that ``the president fails again.''
``It's his bill, it's not our bill,'' Reid told reporters after the vote in Washington. ``It can't pass unless we get significant Republican support.''
So, they're not really interested in this. It is going to fail and (gasp) it is all Bush's fault? LMAO.
2. http://www.politico.com/blogs/jonathanmartin/0607/McCain_loses_an_SC_county_chair_over_immigration.html0 -
Let me just say this...............YES! 0 -
But wait...aren't Republicans all a bunch of wealthy businessmen that want cheap labor? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Rocklobster
But wait...aren't Republicans all a bunch of wealthy businessmen that want cheap labor?
Most businesses want cheap labor. Labor is an expensive component to the cost of goods and services.
But, most Republicans are not wealthy businessmen.0 -
I'm no english major but what part of "illegal" don't people understand?
I've said this before so if you guys have heard it just pass to the next entry.
Some say it's too expensive to export all the cancer. No, it takes just 3 things: public support, guts by the gov., and money.
The cost of deporting them is dwarfed by the cost of supporting them for the rest of their lives.
We need 3 things and I think this country only has two!0 -
One point that I will reiterate, once again,.......Bush had a very positive attitude after losing the House, and Senate, for the Repubs, by playing the Rumsfeld game.
He was happy that "HIS" immigration reforms, now had a chance of passing!
For God's sake folks,......don't start the "party line" thing again.
I voted for him twice, and he has had all kinds of grief thrown on his plate,........but get it through your heads!!!!!!! Bush wants this bill,.....there is NO question about it.
Dems are dems, as always, and yes they love the fact that Bush, and their biggest loser, Kennedy, worked on this together.
Don't fall back into the "party" trap,..........this really isn't good old George,.......it's those lousy Dems!0 -
How are you Americans going to get from here to there when all of the cabbies have to leave the country? How are you going to get your Slurpees and cigarettes when all of the convenience store managers have to leave the country? You see, we are a bigger force than you can imagine. Plus, we need to infiltrate your country so that we can engage in the deeds that Allah commands for us. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Justa-Troll
How are you Americans going to get from here to there when all of the cabbies have to leave the country? How are you going to get your Slurpees and cigarettes when all of the convenience store managers have to leave the country? You see, we are a bigger force than you can imagine. Plus, we need to infiltrate your country so that we can engage in the deeds that Allah commands for us.
We'll do it the same way it was done before all these browns from Third World genetic cesspools showed up here. We'll do it ourselves. If the goat eaters think they're getting their a$$es killed by us back home, wait 'til they see what happens here if they give us any grief. From what I see of these smacks we wouldn't need guns, American bare hands and knucks would handle them easy.[:D]0 -
F-ing right! 0
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