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  • p3skyking
    What a surprise![xx(]
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  • joker5656
    yea, we all know, just makes me wounder who they were spying on, terrorist, or us (not gunbroker people but Natural Born Citizens).
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  • pickenup
    Naaaa.......they wouldn't ABUSE it. [/sarcasm]
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  • Colt Super
    The theory is... if you aren't doing anything wrong, what does it matter who is scrutinizing you.

    Ha!

    D.
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  • Horse Plains Drifter
    Now, now, now! Those that supported the Gestapo Act ASSURED us that it would be used for ONLY checking TERRORISTS and that if you were a law abiding AMERICAN you have NOTHING to worry about.

    I think there are even a few supporters on this board. Any of those want to chime in?
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  • BT3
    Whatever they did, I got to and from DC without the plane being hijacked and don't give two hoots if they checked my bag and let the guy behind me pass. If he was a bad guy, he would't know if he was being checked or not. Disclaimer: I don't agree with everything and am not convinced it is all going to stop bad people. I made it home so step on a few toes if you must. IMHO [:)]
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  • WinM70
    [:0]
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  • Highball
    Yessir;
    Long as I am safe, don't give a rats patoot WHAT they do...power to them !!!

    Not to worry...these types of people have been around since the dawn of time...riding on the backs of people with courage.
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  • He Dog
    The act is abuse, it can only be abused.
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  • BT3
    Highball, I hope your remarks were not aimed at me. I merely stated that I didn't have a problem with mine or your bags being checked. What type of courage do you speak of ? Southeast Aisa perhaps.
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  • mlincoln
    Hey, BT3, this is what they ADMIT to doing wrong. What do you think they're covering up?
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  • Permanently deleted user
    No surprise here and rest assured, nothing will come of the violations.

    The camel's nose is under.........
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  • ElMuertoMonkey
    Gee, how funny... I seem to remember quite a few folks around here not too long ago saying that the Patriot Act was keeping us safe from the terrorists and that Bush and his Administration weren't doing anything wrong!

    A few even went so far as to say that we could do with a little less freedom and a little more eavesdropping - that so long as we had nothing to hide, they wouldn't spy on us!

    How times change. What's the old saying? "When they came for my neighbor, I said nothing. When they came for my friends, I said nothing. Now they come for me and I can do nothing."

    People like you voted for this sort of nonsense not once, but twice.

    And we get what we deserve.
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  • bpost
    Another fine example of why the Republicans so deservedly got kicked out of power.

    Pox upon power abusers.
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  • BT3
    Mlincoln, I'm not sure I want to know. I would like to see a poll on how many people on GB, knows someone that was arrested because of illegal acts as it applies to this new revelation. Not saying (some)of it is right, but understand the need for finding out what Abdula is doing in the US calling Hussein twice a week about the Jefferson Memorial. Why don't we just put down all the stuff that's being done to protect us on CNN. That is my take. Maybe off subject a bit. [^]
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  • Highball
    I am unable to respect people willing to spread their cheeks to some 5 buck an hour pervert....all in the name of 'safety'.

    I have not flown since the draconium laws have been put in place...and will never fly again till sanity returns.

    As far as the 'misuse' by the fbi...my ear. They fully intended to snoop into Americans lives from day one...that is just what they do.
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  • newtgingrich
    what no one is telling you though is how many times the federal government misued almost identical powers BEFORE the patriot act. there is nothing new here.
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  • moonshine
    He** we knew it would be when they passed it.

    and that is just the start.
    all we hear about is what they get caught at.

    [B)][B)]
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  • BT3
    Then don't fly. That's what we call choice !
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  • Highball
    quote:Some will blame the President and the Bush administration.
    I assume then, you would have no trouble with me hunting up the village idiot and handing him a loaded firearm off safety ?

    After ALL...I didn't pull the trigger...

    You bush supporters make me nauseous...
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  • BT3
    WAAAAA [:D]
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  • Highball
    Yup..people cheerfully selling out their country makes me cry for the stupidity of it all.
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  • nemesisenforcer
    quote:Originally posted by ElMuertoMonkey
    Gee, how funny... I seem to remember quite a few folks around here not too long ago saying that the Patriot Act was keeping us safe from the terrorists and that Bush and his Administration weren't doing anything wrong!

    A few even went so far as to say that we could do with a little less freedom and a little more eavesdropping - that so long as we had nothing to hide, they wouldn't spy on us!

    How times change. What's the old saying? "When they came for my neighbor, I said nothing. When they came for my friends, I said nothing. Now they come for me and I can do nothing."

    People like you voted for this sort of nonsense not once, but twice.

    And we get what we deserve.


    First of all, those that broke the law will be punished. The FBI director will be forced to step down, there will be investigations, and others will be fired and/or forced into disgrace and there might even be civil and possibly criminal sanctions. In short, there will be REPERCUSSIONS FOR THESE VIOLATIONS.

    Second, I for one find it refreshing that there is at least provisions in the law for exactly what constitutes a violation of privacy and what the punishments will be and what behavior is proscribed. Too many laws give power and authority to the government without a corresponding "self-limiting" feature. In violating the PATRIOT act, it is essential to recognize that this is only making the news and only counts as a law violation BECAUSE THE LAW ITSELF SAYS IT IS. If the government was as really interested in reading your mail and intercepting your brainwaves as you think it is, there would be no such clause or provision at all and the CIA or the NSA or the Trilateral Commission could use the powers given without fear of reprisal for exceeding the authority. That it was even included means that Congress and the President didn't want the government running roughshod over the populous and these parts of the law were included not only to deter such activities, but to punish them as well. This is a good thing, trust me.

    Additionally, every law on the books regarding government behavior and acceptable boundaries of governmental action is violated on a daily basis. All across the country. The govt. ALWAYS oversteps its bounds no matter who is running it or where in time or place it is at. It's as fundamental a law as gravity or entropy. Just look at the Constitution. It's routinely stepped on by cops, judges, prosecutors and defense attorneys. I don't like it anymore than you do, but somehow we muddle through life, even with its imperfections. To lay this on Bush's doorstep is nothing short of intellectually dishonest and lazy.

    Lastly, any anlysis of the PATRIOT ACT or any other law for that matter is incomplete without weighing its BENEFITS as well as its costs, real and imagined. When something like this happens, it grabs headlines, as it probably should. But every time the law is used responsibly and legitimately doesn't get reported. Every time it generates a lead or helps roll up a terrorist cell or discloses a plot to kill you goes unreported because the media is there to sensationalize and demonize, especially when it comes to Republican administrations. The question isn't whether a law can or will be abused. It will and we all know it. The question is if it generates more positives than negatives, and those negatives include not only abuse or its potential but its overall policy effects, i.e. whether the law, even absent abuse, is a good idea.

    P.S. nice allusion to Nazi Germany (Niemoller, wasn't it?) No one's buying it.
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