choosing a black rifle
I've pretty much decided to go ahead and get a EEEEEEVILLLLL black rifle before they ban the hell out of them again.
My question is: which one? I'm leaning toward a springfield M1A, but ammunitionstore.com has Century Internatinal FALS for less than a thousand bucks. Is the extra $$$ a springfield costs truly worth it or will I be served just as well with a "kit gun" FN for 2/3-3/4 of the cost?
My question is: which one? I'm leaning toward a springfield M1A, but ammunitionstore.com has Century Internatinal FALS for less than a thousand bucks. Is the extra $$$ a springfield costs truly worth it or will I be served just as well with a "kit gun" FN for 2/3-3/4 of the cost?
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currently the M1A is not listed as firearm to be banned. Go for a fal. 0 -
One of the nice things about the M1A is that they weren't banned in the last go around.
I think they are well worth the extra money, and the 7.62NATO/.308 is a helluva lot better cartridge than the 5.56/.223 and the 7.62X39.
Get the extra money and buy the Springfield.
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Also check out the Century Galil made with all Isreali Galil parts kit except for the CIA receiver.I think they are at 799.00 0 -
Of the two rifles you are looking at though I would get the FAL. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by MVP
Also check out the Century Galil made with all Isreali Galil parts kit except for the CIA receiver.I think they are at 799.00
is it a 5.56 galil or 7.62?0 -
also, are the "cheap" G3 or CETMEs worth it? I'm planning on reloading and have heard that the delayed blowback extraction can stretch the cases out of a G3 or clone, unlike the gas systems with the M1 or FAL. 0 -
If the M1A is not going to be banned? get one later,get a colt or other evil twin cause they sure as h... will be banned and save a little for ammo cause right now .223 is still cheaper than .308 rounds wont here me complain about my colts,besides you are only going "hunting right" oooaaaahhhhhhhh!{evil laugh}http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=67715285 0 -
quote:Originally posted by chrishiher
currently the M1A is not listed as firearm to be banned. Go for a fal.
that's not the way I understand the law. I thought it would ban everything under the sun including the M1A and M1 Garand.0 -
quote:Originally posted by nemesisenforcer
quote:Originally posted by MVP
Also check out the Century Galil made with all Isreali Galil parts kit except for the CIA receiver.I think they are at 799.00
is it a 5.56 galil or 7.62?
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quote:Originally posted by MVP
quote:Originally posted by nemesisenforcer
quote:Originally posted by MVP
Also check out the Century Galil made with all Isreali Galil parts kit except for the CIA receiver.I think they are at 799.00
is it a 5.56 galil or 7.62?
5.56
I'd love to get a galil, but I'm looking for a 7.62. Thanks for the info though. maybe in a little while.0 -
check these out-cobb mfg www.sales@cobb50.com everything from 9mm-338lapua 770-505-3080 0 -
Here is a few more options.
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http://atlanticfirearms.com/programming/listview.asp?CatId=10 -
Get one of each. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by nemesisenforcer
quote:Originally posted by chrishiher
currently the M1A is not listed as firearm to be banned. Go for a fal.
that's not the way I understand the law. I thought it would ban everything under the sun including the M1A and M1 Garand.
Here is the deal why they will not be banned soon-
The Civilian Marksmanship Program (CMP) promotes firearms safety training and rifle practice for all qualified U.S. citizens with special emphasis on youth. The CMP operates through a network of affiliated shooting clubs and associations that covers every state in the U.S. The clubs and associations offer firearms safety training and marksmanship courses as well as the opportunity for continued practice and competition.
The CMP was created by the U.S. Congress. The original purpose was to provide civilians an opportunity to learn and practice marksmanship skills so they would be skilled marksmen if later called on to serve the U.S. military. Over the years the emphasis of the program shifted to focus on youth development through marksmanship. From 1916 until 1996 the CMP was administered by the U.S. Army. The National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 1996 (TITLE XVI) created the Corporation for the Promotion of Rifle Practice & Firearms Safety, Inc. (CPRPFS) to take over administration and promotion of the CMP. The CPRPFS is a tax exempt not-for-profit 501(c)(3) organization that derives its mission from public law0 -
Nemesis-the G-3's and H&K's have a fluted chamber. I think the same for the Cetme's but I have never owned a Cetme.
They leave marks on the brass when it expands in the chamber but it can still be reloaded but you can usually still see black streaks on the brass even after it has been tumbled.
The fluted chamber is supposed to help blow the brass backward if the extractor gets broken or damaged so the rifle can continue to fire.
As the brass starts shrinking in the chamber after the pressure drops (as the bullet is leaving the barrel) the remaining gasses push the brass backward out of the chamber and the flutes help it to accomplish this. It is supposed to keep the weapon running even if the extractor breaks. At least this was how I understand the concept.0 -
here is another nice 308 choice.
http://www.rockriverarms.com/item-detail.cfm?ID=308A1280&storeid=1&image=r308std07.gif&CFID=37029377&CFTOKEN=490037040 -
nemesis,
Never having handled an M1A, all I can recommend is the FAL. It's a nice solid gun, easy to maintain, and has all the features @$$#ole gun-grabbers hate.
And mags are still relatively easy to get at a good price.0 -
quote:Originally posted by ElMuertoMonkey
nemesis,
Never having handled an M1A, all I can recommend is the FAL. It's a nice solid gun, easy to maintain, and has all the features @$$#ole gun-grabbers hate.
And mags are still relatively easy to get at a good price.
that's what initially attracted me to it as well.[:D] I already have a few SKS's an an AK, but I wanted to get a .308 auto and a .308 bolt.0 -
A friend of mine told me that if I were going for a .308 bolt action for long-range shooting, I might as well go for a .338 Lapua magnum. Longer range, better ballistics... stuff like that.
For ease of ammo bookkeeping, though, a .308 bolt action makes better sense if you're looking for a .308 auto as well. I have a Steyr Scout in .308. Love it to death, but they are a tad pricey.0 -
308 is a great cartridge. After a few mags thru a good 308, the .223 will feel like a .22LR
If you want to punch targets at a couple hundred yards, up to however far the range goes [800-1000?], as I will be doing [someday, again], I'd go for a longer barrel in your rifle, rather than the carbine often matched to a rifle marketed to those who picture themselves storming the hostage situation next door.
For making some fun noise and turning tree stumps into toothpicks, load up the evil features, and shoot it with the three-point sling, from the hip.
The best of all worlds, one of each. If I did it again, I'd probably get in it more cheaply, and work my way up to better equipment.0 -
quote:Originally posted by ElMuertoMonkey
A friend of mine told me that if I were going for a .308 bolt action for long-range shooting, I might as well go for a .338 Lapua magnum. Longer range, better ballistics... stuff like that.
For ease of ammo bookkeeping, though, a .308 bolt action makes better sense if you're looking for a .308 auto as well. I have a Steyr Scout in .308. Love it to death, but they are a tad pricey.
that's exactly why I was looking for 2 rifles in the same caliber: convenience. The .308 would be about all I ever needed for any practical purpose. I don't do long range shooting or anything like that, I just wanted a good quality modern production bolt action in a full size chambering, and I figured might as well go simple all around.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Zulu7
Get one of each.
sure thing. you gonna donate the cash[?][?][?][:D][:D][:D]0
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