What is wrong with our weather?
It isn't suppose to be 76 degrees in SC in January. Been warm for a week and a half and not suppose to cool off for another few days.
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Count yourself lucky down around Columbia!
Up here in York we are under a tornado watch right now!
But you are right about the warm weather. It feels more like spring!0 -
It's Bush's fault. 0 -
Ditto for eastern Kansas!
They say next week is gonna be in the 60's ... I'll have the top down on "the red car"!
Of course in western Kansas its just the opposite!0 -
keep burning the gas guys !!!!!!
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Nothing wrong with it. Even if there IS global warming, that adds a degree or two to it, not this. This is just normal cycles. I remember two years ago having the snowiest winter on record. Then last year we had some bitterly cold weather. Now this. No guarantees. Never have been. Heck, they say that when the dinosaurs were alive it was 30 degrees warmer, and a few thousand years back during the ice age, 30 degrees cooler. Global cycles, nothing more. 0 -
We are coming out of an ice age, dude.
Did ya know there are camel bone and palm tree fossils in Alaska?
HELP! ... the sky is falling![:o)][:o)][:o)]0 -
For nigh on a decade, we in Northeastern Colorado have withered under drouth conditions. We've begged, prayed, and waited patiently for some kind of moisture. When we did finally get precipitation, we got it all at once.
What I've learned: Be Careful For What You Ask.0 -
Weather is unusual but we had the same thing years ago. Lets see what the rest of winter brings though. I recall one winter about 35 years
ago when I was snowplowing and didnt make a dime here in NJ.0 -
quote:Did ya know there are camel bone and palm tree fossils in Alaska?
Ever hear of continental drift? That certainly does not indicate those fossils were laid down while Alaska was in its present position.0 -
quote:He Dog
Did ya know there are camel bone and palm tree fossils in Alaska?
Ever hear of continental drift? That certainly does not indicate those fossils were laid down while Alaska was in its present position.
LOL ... you DO need some 'schoolin' - there WERE NO mammals when the continents 'broke' and 'drifted' ... the critters that were running about ... I believe ... were called amphibians and reptiles! You really do need to get a grip - nice try, though![:D][:D][:D]0 -
Takes a looooooooooooooong time to drift that far at that speed. 0 -
takes a looooooooooong time to heat up at 1 degree every 100 yrs also 0 -
LOL .. OK, professor... when was Alaska NOT a part of N. America ... do tell?[8D] 0 -
Always (as far as I know, I have never been there) part of North America, but North America has been much further south. Even before you were born. Heck, even before I was born. Those camels were not either of the modern species either. 0 -
Really? Do you know the rate of drift? Alaska driftd north?
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geologist![:o)][:o)][:o)]
How long ago did camels evolve into their 'Alaskan form?'[8D]0 -
What are you complaining about?
I've read theories that stated the pre-flood earth was an entirely different planet...more of a tropical paradise with a layer of water in the upper atmosphere. It is entirely possible that Alaska was warm at some point in our history.0 -
Heh, in school me and the rest of my German class got into an argument. Mostly it was between me and this guy John....
He is about as far left as you can go, and a Marxist.
He believes that we are the sole reasons for the temp change... if thats so why was it warmer when we wern't even around, why was it warmer in the 1st and 2nd centuries than it is now. There was a 'little ice age' in the 1300s to the 1800s.... Did we cause this to?
A volcano as it erupts puts out more CO2 than we humans have in our entire existence.....
This is simply a left scare tactic, Its not global warming, ITS A CLIMATE CHANGE!!! I'll admit we may be contributing 1 or 2 degrees to it, HOWEVER, we sure as hell didn't raise the temp about 30 degrees above normal in 5 years! The air in the US is the cleanest its ever been! Cars put out less emissions, factories don't put out much emissions either, compared to 30 years ago when you had to clear the dust from mills off your car.
This is simply a natural earth cycle... the planet gets warmer and colder as it goes along its history, Yet these people i have to deal with just don't seem to get it!
I was telling him that its a climate shift and it happens now and then, His reply? "THATS A FAR RIGHT IDEA, YOU SHOULD WATCH CNN, AND LISTEN TO THESE SCIENTISTS" Ummm how did we get from 'global warming' to political ideals? I don't associate myself with the republicans or Dems. Mostly because I have seen that the ones in government, on both sides, ARE IDIOTS. all they care about is getting re-elected, and don't give a damn about the country, let alone your civil rights... by the way has anyone seen those lately?
Again, as for Global Warming. its a climate shift, its normal, nothing strange about. Perhaps the sun is a little hotter than normal? or maybe its a cycle that has repeated itself hundreds of years in this planets history!
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When I was just a young feller back in the early 70`S I had a motorcycle.In the fall I traded it for a snowmobile.I waited and waited,but we never got any snow so I sold the snowmobile in January because I just knew we just weren`t going to get any snow. Several days after selling the sled we got one heck of a snow storm and we had snow the rest of the winter.
Last winter I bought another snowmobile because we had a very snowy December. A few days later it warmed up and we never had enough snow the rest of the winter to run my snowmobile......I`ve still got it and we still don`t have any snow. So it`s my fault that we aren`t haveing any winter weather. Hold on to your boots though because I`m thinking of listing it for sale. When it sells we will have snow within a week. Guaranteed!0 -
they were just talking about that on the BBC the other night (or this morning, for mond). they said this year should be 0.5 degrees C warmer than the historical global average.
which is significant. unless I'm wrong, 1.5 to 2.5 degrees higher is supposed to screw everything up. to put that to scale, the last time there was a global extinction, the temperature rose about 6 degrees. (see reference below)
I don't care what they say about the average temperatures being a half a degree warmer or whatever, if you ask me, it's been 10 or as much as 20 degrees warmer throughout last year. some places will be wrmer, some will be colder, they're supposed to average out, but here it's the warmer. I believe that's explained by shifting weather patterns. ask elkoholic, the other day he posted that he moved to where he did because it was nice and dry, and now it's raining on him.
the other phenomenon that I posted about not long ago is a delayed winter. it was summerlike throughout the fall -fall weather was about nonexistent- then when it should be winter, it's not. you tell me it's normal when the sun rises at 7:30am, sets at 4:20pm, yet it's warm -almost hot- and ppl were wearing shorts and playing in the park well into the "night". birds chirping that should have flown south already, fat squirrels frolicking that should have hibernated already, bugs chirping that should have died already.
I'm conscious about the weather. I worked outside for a good portion of my life. at one time I could (and often did) stand outside and tell the temperature to within 3 degrees; look at the sun and tell the time to within 5 minutes; and stick my head out the door in the morning and predict the weather for the rest of the day.
I've lived in different latitudes: nebraska, texas, and missouri. so I see how the seasons change and how they're different in the different latitudes. it seems to me that how warm it gets in the summer doesn't differ much, how cold it gets in the winter depends on how far north you are, and more importantly, the further north you are, the later winter comes. that's what makes the difference, how late winter comes.
this year where I'm at, summer remained when it should have been fall, until the end of november, then the weather 'broke' and overnight we got sleet, snow, frozen ice and winter was here. you see, winter had been "pushed back". now it's back to mild fall weather in what should be winter. when that happened, I said that this may be the new way that seasons change and we'll see how it goes next year.
well it may very well happen next year. they said on the BBC that 2007 will probably be the hottest year since they started keeping record, a 60% chance that it will be as hot or hotter than 1998, which had been the hottest to date.
my point is, don't pay attention to the 'average temp' they keep talking about, it's the seasonal change that makes a difference. a tremendous difference. I saw such a tremendous difference this year. it's completely abnormal.
we're already on our way to dying. the weather is here. life just hasn't responded yet. right now it's adjusting to the changes, but soon that will lead to starvation and death because everything is out of whack.
Shadow of Extinction
George Monbiot
Tuesday July 1, 2003
The Guardian
It is old news, I admit. Two hundred and fifty-one million years old, to be precise. But the story of what happened then, which has now been told for the first time, demands our urgent attention. Its implications are more profound than anything taking place in Iraq, or Washington, or even (and I am sorry to burst your bubble) Wimbledon. Unless we understand what happened, and act upon that intelligence, prehistory may very soon repeat itself, not as tragedy, but as catastrophe.
The events that brought the Permian period (between 286m and 251m years ago) to an end could not be clearly determined until the mapping of the key geological sequences had been completed. Until recently, palaeontologists had assumed that the changes that took place then were gradual and piecemeal. But three years ago a precise date for the end of the period was established, which enabled geologists to draw direct comparisons between the rocks laid down at that time in different parts of the world.
Having done so, they made a shattering discovery. In China, South Africa, Australia, Greenland, Russia and Svalbard, the rocks record an almost identical sequence of events, taking place not gradually, but relatively instantaneously. They show that a cataclysm caused by natural processes almost brought life on earth to an end. They also suggest that a set of human activities that threatens to replicate those processes could exert the same effect, within the lifetimes of some of those who are on earth today.
As the professor of palaeontology Michael Benton records in his new book, When Life Nearly Died, the marine sediments deposited at the end of the Permian period record two sudden changes. The first is that the red or green or grey rock laid down in the presence of oxygen is suddenly replaced by black muds of the kind deposited when oxygen is absent. At the same time, an instant shift in the ratio of the isotopes (alternative forms) of carbon within the rocks suggests a spectacular change in the concentration of atmospheric gases.
On land, another dramatic transition has been dated to precisely the same time. In Russia and South Africa, gently deposited mudstones and limestones suddenly give way to massive dumps of pebbles and boulders. But the geological changes are minor in comparison with what happened to the animals and plants.
The Permian was one of the most biologically diverse periods in the earth's history. Herbivorous reptiles the size of rhinos were hunted through forests of tree ferns and flowering trees by sabre-toothed predators. At sea, massive coral reefs accumulated, among which lived great sharks, fish of all kinds and hundreds of species of shell creatures.
Then suddenly there is almost nothing. The fossil record very nearly stops dead. The reefs die instantly, and do not reappear on earth for 10 million years. All the large and medium-sized sharks disappear, most of the shell species, and even the great majority of the toughest and most numerous organisms in the sea, the plankton. Among many classes of marine animals, the only survivors were those adapted to the near-absence of oxygen.
On land, the shift was even more severe. Plant life was almost eliminated from the earth's surface. The four-footed animals, the category to which humans belong, were nearly exterminated: so far only two fossil reptile species have been found anywhere on earth that survived the end of the Permian. The world's surface came to be dominated by just one of these, an animal a bit like a pig. It became ubiquitous because nothing else was left to compete with it or to prey upon it.
Altogether, Benton shows, some 90% of the earth's species appear to have been wiped out: this represents by far the gravest of the mass extinctions. The world's "productivity" (the total mass of biological matter) collapsed.
Ecosystems recovered very slowly. No coral reefs have been found anywhere on earth in the rocks laid down over the following 10 million years. One hundred and fifty million years elapsed before the world once again became as biodiverse as in the Permian.
So what happened? Some scientists have argued that the mass extinction was caused by a meteorite. But the evidence they put forward has been undermined by further studies. There is a more persuasive case for a different explanation. For many years, geologists have been aware that at some point during or after the Permian there was a series of gigantic volcanic eruptions in Siberia. The lava was dated properly for the first time in the early 1990s. We now know that the principal explosions took place 251 million years ago, precisely at the point at which life was almost extinguished.
The volcanoes produced two gases: sulphur dioxide and carbon dioxide. The sulphur and other effusions caused acid rain, but would have bled from the atmosphere quite quickly. The carbon dioxide, on the other hand, would have persisted. By enhancing the greenhouse effect, it appears to have warmed the world sufficiently to have destabilised the superconcentrated frozen gas called methane hydrate, locked in sediments around the polar seas. The release of methane into the atmosphere explains the sudden shift in carbon isotopes.
Methane is an even more powerful greenhouse gas than carbon dioxide. The result of its release was runaway global warming: a rise in temperature led to changes that raised the temperature further, and so on. The warming appears, alongside the acid rain, to have killed the plants. Starvation then killed the animals.
Global warming also seems to explain the geological changes. If the temperature of the surface waters near the poles increases, the circulation of marine currents slows down, which means that the ocean floor is deprived of oxygen. As the plants on land died, their roots would cease to hold together the soil and loose rock, with the result that erosion rates would have greatly increased.
So how much warming took place? A sharp change in the ratio of the isotopes of oxygen permits us to reply with some precision: 6C. Benton does not make the obvious point, but another author, the climate change specialist Mark Lynas, does. Six degrees is the upper estimate produced by the UN's scientific body, the intergovernmental panel on climate change (IPCC), for global warming by 2100. A conference of some of the world's leading atmospheric scientists in Berlin last month concluded that the IPCC's model may have underestimated the problem: the upper limit, they now suggest, should range between 7 and 10 degrees. Neither model takes into account the possibility of a partial melting of the methane hydrate still present in vast quantities around the fringes of the polar seas.
Suddenly, the events of a quarter of a billion years ago begin to look very topical indeed. One of the possible endings of the human story has already been told. Our principal political effort must now be to ensure that it does not become set in stone.0 -
...I know this older feller, who must be closing in on 90 or so. Discussing the odd weather patterns, he leaned in close, as if letting me in on a secret. "Know what it is? It's them damn rocket ships they keep shootin' up there. That's just gotta mess up the atmosphere. They keep talkin' 'bout a hole in the ozone or sumptin. Well, hell, they keep pokin' holes in it with them rockets."
...That's his story and he's stickin' to it.0 -
We had the sirens going off around here a little after 4PM for possible tornadoes.
I guess one was spotted about 8 miles from my place.0 -
It's Bush's fault. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by nunn
It's Bush's fault.
Now you are not going to start that too are you NUNN?[:o)][:D]0 -
No, now we can hang it on Pelosi, Bummy Frank, et al. 0 -
....I should mention that the old guy with the rocket ship theory was related to another (now deceased) gentleman that swore that we were planting corn and beans over a secret, underground, government airport. Underground airport.......OK. Must be something in the water around here. 0 -
And Greenland used to actually be green. It was called the Medieval Warm Period.
Who would have thunk?
Somebody tell Kerry.0 -
What is wrong with our weather? 
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quote:What is wrong with our weather?
Working fine here.[:D]0 -
50 and rainy here. Been raining for 48hrs+ 0 -
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