I love unknowledgable gun owners...
I did not want to call them dumb or stupid.[:)]
Guy dropped by the house this morning.
"Such and such told me that you buy Winchester Model 70's."
"Yes I do."
"I have one that has not really worked right since I have had it, The bolt jams up on it."
"I would like to see it"
"OK I have it with me. It's a .338 I bought to Elk hunt with."
]What are you asking for it?"
"$250.00 if you but it now. I would like to have the bases back."
$250.00... I paid the guy. Got the rifle, box, hang tags and all of the paper work including the original sales receipt from where he bought it new.
Took the bases off for him and found what was jamming the bolt as soon as I had lifted it from the rifle.
They either used a base screw that was to long or they had broken it when installing them.
A small jewelers flat tip screw driver brought the busted screw out without much effort. The bolt now works fine and shows no visible damage from where the screw was hitting it...
The only place that I can find on the rifle is a very small nic to the top of the wood about mid way of bolt carrier. As seen in the photo below.
I am going to pick up a box of ammo later tonight and check out the action before I mount a scope to it.
Guy dropped by the house this morning.
"Such and such told me that you buy Winchester Model 70's."
"Yes I do."
"I have one that has not really worked right since I have had it, The bolt jams up on it."
"I would like to see it"
"OK I have it with me. It's a .338 I bought to Elk hunt with."
]What are you asking for it?"
"$250.00 if you but it now. I would like to have the bases back."
$250.00... I paid the guy. Got the rifle, box, hang tags and all of the paper work including the original sales receipt from where he bought it new.
Took the bases off for him and found what was jamming the bolt as soon as I had lifted it from the rifle.
They either used a base screw that was to long or they had broken it when installing them.
A small jewelers flat tip screw driver brought the busted screw out without much effort. The bolt now works fine and shows no visible damage from where the screw was hitting it...
The only place that I can find on the rifle is a very small nic to the top of the wood about mid way of bolt carrier. As seen in the photo below.
I am going to pick up a box of ammo later tonight and check out the action before I mount a scope to it.
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(like the kids say these days.)
SWEEEET0 -
I would have helped him out instead of taking advantage of him.[:(]
Maybe it's just me.0 -
If you would send it to me I would try and shoot it for you. 0 -
That's one of the very first things to look for... 0 -
Maybe not guntech. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by guntech59
I would have helped him out instead of taking advantage of him.[:(]
Maybe it's just me.
I am about 50/50 on this one. The guy came to Les to sell it, not repair it. Les did not say "oh wow, I'll give you $250 for that gun" and go running off laughing. Since it was seller that brought up the deal I would not loose much sleep over it.0 -
I would have offered him $200 cash, but that's just me.[8D]
Les, I'll give you $275, just because I like you.[8D][8D][8D]0 -
I saw the same thing out at a local range, guy had bought the rifle, scope and mounts at a sporting goods store, and had them mount it. he could not get the bolt to close.
Don0 -
...I'll give $275 for it? You are a authorized Winchester repair center - right? LOL
Great buy...don't tell him, he'll want more money.
Moose0 -
Why can't I find deals like that? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Nwcid
quote:Originally posted by guntech59
I would have helped him out instead of taking advantage of him.[:(]
Maybe it's just me.
I am about 50/50 on this one. The guy came to Les to sell it, not repair it. Les did not say "oh wow, I'll give you $250 for that gun" and go running off laughing. Since it was seller that brought up the deal I would not loose much sleep over it.
Try to justify it any way you like. It's still wrong in my book.0 -
quote:Originally posted by guntech59
quote:Originally posted by Nwcid
quote:Originally posted by guntech59
I would have helped him out instead of taking advantage of him.[:(]
Maybe it's just me.
I am about 50/50 on this one. The guy came to Les to sell it, not repair it. Les did not say "oh wow, I'll give you $250 for that gun" and go running off laughing. Since it was seller that brought up the deal I would not loose much sleep over it.
Try to justify it any way you like. It's still wrong in my book.
I agree with the reply above - seller made the offer, Les was not asked to look at it to see about fixing anything, seller got what he wanted for it. The seller is probably on some forum right now laughing about how it screwed a guy out of $250 for a broken gun. It's all in your perspective. In this case, everybody feels like a winner.0 -
Guy makes offer to sell at his price.
Another guy accepts offer and pay asking price.
Done deal.
Fair and square.0 -
quote:Originally posted by rhythm_guy
quote:Originally posted by guntech59
quote:Originally posted by Nwcid
quote:Originally posted by guntech59
I would have helped him out instead of taking advantage of him.[:(]
Maybe it's just me.
I am about 50/50 on this one. The guy came to Les to sell it, not repair it. Les did not say "oh wow, I'll give you $250 for that gun" and go running off laughing. Since it was seller that brought up the deal I would not loose much sleep over it.
Try to justify it any way you like. It's still wrong in my book.
I agree with the reply above - seller made the offer, Les was not asked to look at it to see about fixing anything, seller got what he wanted for it. The seller is probably on some forum right now laughing about how it screwed a guy out of $250 for a broken gun. It's all in your perspective. In this case, everybody feels like a winner.
All BS talk I hear from the so called "christians" on this forum and most people think that this was perfectly OK? I bet if the shoe as on the other foot everyone would be raising hell about kicking his ass and taking the gun back.
But, like I said, Maybe it's just me (and Hedog?).0 -
I told him that it was most likely a screw to long or broken. For I have installed them a couple of times myself.
I did not pay him until the bases were off. He still wanted to sale it for he had another rifle in layaway that he wanted to get out for a trip to CO next week.
Take advantage of someone selling a gun? No I will not do that. When they bring one to me that I am interested in I ask them four questions right off of the bat.
1. How much?
2. Why do you want to sale it?
3. What is wrong with it?
4. Do you know what the gun is actually worth?
I have had some that thanked me for being honest and took their gun home. Then some like this guy was happy to get what he ask for out of it even after finding out the gun was worth upwards to $750 to $800 easy. I let the seller set the price every time and then work from that with them.0 -
Cool! I didn't get any of that from your original post. Knowing this I can't fault you at all. You got a good deal and he screwed himself!!
I hope it wasn't stolen.....[;)]0 -
...Maybe the seller is laughing now. I wonder who D & T'd the reciever, the person who left the screw to hit the top of the bolt; strangly stupid people to be drilling STRAIGHT/Alaigned holes into a reciever, luck...[;)] 0 -
That's something you want to do right the FIRST time. 0 -
Seen the same thing on Remington semi-autos. Cheap see thru rings with screws too long and it hangs up. 0 -
Featherweights are drilled and tapped from the factory with set screws installed.
The factory set screws can be ran to far into the holes and can even be tightened enough to completely lock a bolt up very easily.
Guntech59
I understand where you are coming from. Most people around here that know me, Knows that I am honest 99.9% of the time. The other .1%.... Well everyone has to file taxes once in awhile.[:)]
Just so use to everyone knowing how I am that I sometimes do not go into as much details as I should when posting to these boards.0 -
quote:Originally posted by LesWVa
I told him that it was most likely a screw to long or broken. For I have installed them a couple of times myself.
I did not pay him until the bases were off. He still wanted to sale it for he had another rifle in layaway that he wanted to get out for a trip to CO next week.
Take advantage of someone selling a gun? No I will not do that. When they bring one to me that I am interested in I ask them four questions right off of the bat.
1. How much?
2. Why do you want to sale it?
3. What is wrong with it?
4. Do you know what the gun is actually worth?
I have had some that thanked me for being honest and took their gun home. Then some like this guy was happy to get what he ask for out of it even after finding out the gun was worth upwards to $750 to $800 easy. I let the seller set the price every time and then work from that with them.
sometimes when things go wrong you just lose that feeling for the gun and want rid of it
besides we ain't baby sittin' here!
or as Ned Beatty said in Stroker Ace " this ain't a Bible class hon, everybody cheats a little!"0 -
From someone in the business, all is fair as long as everyone walks away with a smile.
I can't tell you the number of times customers have come in and traded a gun they thought was broken - without mentioning that they thought it was broken. Example; A fellow wanted to sell a .22 Beretta pistol, wanted $20, I gave him $50 instead because I didn't want to cheat him. Pistol would not fire. Broke it down and firing pin was corroded to hell. Cleaned, and reassembled. Fired 100%. I was lucky that time.
Usually the customers have no idea how simple some fixes are and they think they are putting one over on me. I play dumb but don't pay any more than their gun parted out would bring plus a hundred. Sometimes I do part them out. Knowledge is power and I don't make offers on guns. They HAVE to give me a price. If they get THEIR price, we're both happy![;)]0 -
Sweet potato pie. damn straight 0 -
Les, It just sounded so ridiculous on his part that I jumped to a (wrong) conclusion.[B)] I apologize and congratulate you on your good deal.
PS: I hope you make out on your taxes, too![:D]0 -
quote:Originally posted by jabronij3
quote:Originally posted by LesWVa
I told him that it was most likely a screw to long or broken. For I have installed them a couple of times myself.
I did not pay him until the bases were off. He still wanted to sale it for he had another rifle in layaway that he wanted to get out for a trip to CO next week.
Take advantage of someone selling a gun? No I will not do that. When they bring one to me that I am interested in I ask them four questions right off of the bat.
1. How much?
2. Why do you want to sale it?
3. What is wrong with it?
4. Do you know what the gun is actually worth?
I have had some that thanked me for being honest and took their gun home. Then some like this guy was happy to get what he ask for out of it even after finding out the gun was worth upwards to $750 to $800 easy. I let the seller set the price every time and then work from that with them.
sometimes when things go wrong you just lose that feeling for the gun and want rid of it
besides we ain't baby sittin' here!
or as Ned Beatty said in Stroker Ace " this ain't a Bible class hon, everybody cheats a little!"
I agree. I have owned vehicles that, at a certain point in time, I would have traded them for a bicycle, because I had lost confidence in them. Also, to some people, a gun is just an object, just like a car or knife. I know that sounds strange, but it's true.0 -
As my screen name suggests, I do a little gun work myself and just can't believe that people will have rifles and pistols and know NOTHING about them. Kind of like not knowing how to change the oil in your car. 0 -
its hot![:)] 0 -
Sounds like the guy I met that was VERY upset that his .25 auto would not shoot. Could not even get the ammo to fit in the magazine. Of course, he WAS trying to load 22 LR in the magazine, but it MUST be something wrong with this stupid gun............[:p] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by guntech59
As my screen name suggests, I do a little gun work myself and just can't believe that people will have rifles and pistols and know NOTHING about them. Kind of like not knowing how to change the oil in your car.
back in 1982 I attended auto mechanics at a local college/vocational school and at that time a survey suggested that some 50+-% of American males did not know where the carbureutor was on there car so not knowing ANYTHING about their guns don't suprise me at all0 -
I deal in gun parts, mostly muzzleloading stuff, with the same attitude I used to have dealing in motorcycle parts:
I will not lie to or cheat anyone. The nearest I ever came to doing so was when I came across a Triumph Bonneville, newly chopped, all Drag Specialties aftermarket goodies -- $200 -- the owner actually threatened to make me leave if I didn't pay him NOW, so as soon as I'd verified the papers were good, I paid, loaded the bike up, and split. Next time he saw me he laughed at what a sucker I was. There was nothing wrong with the bike but the original owner's ignorance of how carburetors work. 35 miles on a fresh-rebuilt motor, and he'd scorched one set of valves.
I will tell people when they are, in my opinion, cheating themselves.
I will, on some occasions, offer more than what a person is asking for an item, if I can still get a sweet deal and be fair at the same time.
I will buy the item at a price that amounts to theft, if the seller insists that's how he or she wants it.
I don't rationalize that "everyone else does it" to justify doing something I believe to be wrong -- but, if the person intends to sell the item at a given price, whether to me or someone else -- that's not wrongdoing on my part, and it might as well be me.
I have also, on a couple of occasions, sold an item back to its original owner, at the price I paid for it. People are (sometimes, not always) permitted moments of temporary insanity.
The deal Les got sounds completely fine to me. For what my $.02 is worth.... [:D]0
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