Food storage.
Not survivalist paranoia...just good sense. How many trucks enter major cities each day to bring food? Think about the cost of fuel being added to the cost of the goods delivered. Food may be a little tougher to come by. It is smart to start preparing for you/your family. Spend $10-$20 a week on non-perishable foods.
I read an article that while most folks were standing in line for water and food in the aftermath of Katrina the Mormons were living off food they put away. I asked my neighbor about this (he is Mormon) and he said they believe this as part of their religion. He has four kids and does not want to be at the mercy of chance. Bill also told me that the Old testament has stories about this.
I'm not a Bible study-guy (I read it BUT don't study it)but I did find this website A Poor Mans Guide to Emergency Preparedness:
(http://www.lunchpail.com/poorman/basics.shtml)
Good advice if you ask me. Not worth finding out about this the hard way. Funny thing is Bill won't take a few quarts of my famous "bath-tub brew" for his food supply. [;)]
I read an article that while most folks were standing in line for water and food in the aftermath of Katrina the Mormons were living off food they put away. I asked my neighbor about this (he is Mormon) and he said they believe this as part of their religion. He has four kids and does not want to be at the mercy of chance. Bill also told me that the Old testament has stories about this.
I'm not a Bible study-guy (I read it BUT don't study it)but I did find this website A Poor Mans Guide to Emergency Preparedness:
(http://www.lunchpail.com/poorman/basics.shtml)
Good advice if you ask me. Not worth finding out about this the hard way. Funny thing is Bill won't take a few quarts of my famous "bath-tub brew" for his food supply. [;)]
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I moved out of the city a few years ago and now have a place in the back woods. Most anything I want it a one hour drive away, so when I shop I don't buy a can but a case! I also save 10%! I also have 5k water tank and a good supply of wild life around here, wood heat, tons of trees. Also a septic system and generator back up. The only thing would be cable TV other than that I have a ton of DVDs. Oh and two freezer's in the garage with at least 200 lbs. of various meats.
I am not a survivalist just cant stand going to the store every week!
And for the gun guys, YES I have minimum 1K rounds for every weapon I have[:D]0 -
It sound nice. I have lived in the city most of my life but I still have a big garden in the back. You are a pioneer man. Thumbs up![:D] 0 -
quote:I am not a survivalist
Well, die, then, boys....
Simply amazing how folks are led around by the nose. The big government/media types put out a dose of propaganda...and suddenly having food and water and a bit exter this or that is somehow 'bad'.
Tell that to an early settler....with the fruit cellar full of canned goods, the smoke house in full smoke flower, and the taters spread out in the dark.
There are MANY reasons to have a years supply of food stuck back...NONE of them having to do with a wild-eyed, stringy haired misfit plotting to take over the world.
Besides...we need to leave THAT particular activity to the power-mad leaders running things.0 -
Good Post Dutchman. SG_niner, Can I come to your place. I have thought about asking around to see if others are preparing, but how does one do it with out everyone knowing that you are. We have a two person underground shooting range(65ft), everyone knew about it before it was ready to use. We told no one. They also think it is a fallout shelter. No where near enough protection, but do you think anyone would believe it. If there was a nuke war we will have to leave our house because there will be atleast 100 people show up to be saved in a non nuke facility that might hold 20 if packed like sardines. I do believe there is a real posibity of some nuke going off, dirty nukes and a lot of fallout. So where does one go and everyone is going to be living off the land which means no game or wild food. If you find an UFO and don't want it pleas give it to me. 0 -
Thanks for bringing this up....we have a lot of "shtf rifle" threads, but not much as far as food and/or water.
Seems to me that if things do go south at some point we'll have a lot of hungry folks with guns....0 -
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-A UFO crashed last year here at my place. I hurriedly put up some corregated roofing over it and tell people that it's a barn. I took captive the two aliens, one male and one female. The male looks a bit like Jessica Simpson and the female resembles a very large armadillo, except she has four legs and two arms with six fingers, including an opposed thumb on each hand. Odd. Anyway, I have the female chained around one leg and she has been killing the ground squirrels on my place. The male? I have him chained up in a horse stall. All he does is crap and eat. He is vegetarian and I feed him thistles, fennel stalks, and alfalfa. He especially likes mustard weeds, which grow here in abundance. I have made him explain how the spacecraft operates and have repaired most of the damage. So, when they drop the big one, I'm ready to go. I got 100 cases of Wolf Brand Chili and 1000 Hersey bars loaded on board already (the craft is much larger inside than it is outside).0 -
It basically depends on space and your situation. When I get my spread out in the sticks I plan to have a pantry that will make a Mormon cry (at least envious). Since I'm in a two bedroom number I ain't got no space to squirrel Spam and dry goods. I'd convert one of the rooms for that but I'll either have to eat it or move it and I know cans are heavy[:D].
If I already lived out in the Boondocks I'd have a pantry with the electric needs met with solar and wind with a generator back up. Planning to live off the grid.
Also "Survivalist Paranoia" is very good thinking (the voices tells me so[:D]). Besides like minded commune style living, will let me sleep safely while another paranoid survivalist goes out on watch.
As for your "bath-tub brew" tell him it'll make the water safe to drink (you know it as grog) as well as sterilizing agent. That is if it doesn't remove the enamel off your teeth then it'll also be good for degreasing[:D].0 -
Grog...it's not just for breakfast anymore! [;)] 0 -
some Bosnians and I were talking about Sarajevo, they asked me, do you know how many people starved to death? I said no. they only shook their heads. they told me that here, just out of habit they have about 2 weeks worth of food on hand all the time, often a garden too. that's the way they are.
btw, I noticed at work they eat a lot more healthy than Americans. greens, fruit, fresh cooked meat and bread for lunch.0 -
Let me tell ya-
2-3 weeks ago, we had a 5.6 earthquake that got my attention. I also have gone through a 6.9 that destroyed my home in 1989. As I live on the San Andreas fault line, Every day is a potential "Earth Quake Day" No warning rhyme or reason.
It's not survivalist paranoia... it's a way of life when "Shift Happens"[;)][:D] be prepared-0 -
Have you always approached preparedness the same way with the potential for disaster closer? Most of us can stay put and ride out the trouble. Do you plan to move if the fit hits the shan?
quote:Originally posted by FrancF
Let me tell ya-
2-3 weeks ago, we had a 5.6 earthquake that got my attention. I also have gone through a 6.9 that destroyed my home in 1989. As I live on the San Andreas fault line, Every day is a potential "Earth Quake Day" No warning rhyme or reason.
It's not survivalist paranoia... it's a way of life when "Shift Happens"[;)][:D] be prepared-0 -
I think keeping alot of food on hand is smart myself. I think it's even smarter to learn to grow your own food reliably and how to preserve your meat other then freezing.
I keep a little of this and a little of that incase a hurricane comes and keeps us square in the teeth.0 -
In a way, As with any disaster you have to keep a cool head. #1 keep your good stuff in a safe! Looters are there to capitalize on everything! During the Loma Prieta EQ http://pubs.usgs.gov/dds/dds-29/ I did open carry (a big NO NO where I live) However Law enforcement/neighbors knew this was a SHTF situation. I did not leave because there was no way out or in.
So In short, what little law enforcement we did have in the area, they took a blind eye to protecting our selfs and property. We made it a giant block party for eating with what we had in our freezers, Drinking water came out of the hot water heaters.
People looking to loot or steal got the message loud and clear.
Edit: Wanted to add No power/Gas and Limited phone service. I do keep my truck full of gas and have a portable 6500 watt gen. ( my truck is my generator refill if need be) to power the house if its safe.0 -
SOunds like it went well considering everything. What did you carry?
quote:Originally posted by FrancF
In a way, As with any disaster you have to keep a cool head. #1 keep your good stuff in a safe! Looters are there to capitalize on everything! During the Loma Prieta EQ http://pubs.usgs.gov/dds/dds-29/ I did open carry (a big NO NO where I live) However Law enforcement/neighbors knew this was a SHTF situation. I did not leave because there was no way out or in.
So In short, what little law enforcement we did have in the area, they took a blind eye to protecting our selfs and property. We made it a giant block party for eating with what we had in our freezers, Drinking water came out of the hot water heaters.
People looking to loot or steal got the message loud and clear.
Edit: Wanted to add No power/Gas and Limited phone service. I do keep my truck full of gas and have a portable 6500 watt gen. ( my truck is my generator refill if need be) to power the house if its safe.0 -
Springfield 1911 .45ACP, My .44 mag would have been over the edge with Leo's[:I][:D] 0 -
I have talked to many people that can not cook breakfest without running to the store for something.
These are the people you will see lined up down to the 'feeding station'..set up by the government.
The first time I heard the words used to describe the places PEOPLE go to get food after a disaster..I nearly choked to death.
That is what I used to call the various places I fed cattle...."Feeding station #1, ect..."
After thinking about it...I realized how appropriate it all was.
Even a SQIRREL has sense enough to lay by a few acorns/hickory nuts for hard times...Only some animal as stupid as a steer..and THEY have little ability to..could not or will not store food.
As mentioned above...not EVERYBODY will have their stocks destroyed in a disaster...and by sharing, all get thru.
I will share NOTHING with those using the term "Survivalist" towards me in a derogatory sense...or those too stupid to lay a little by.0 -
As long as we don't get tired of rice and beans, we will be just fine. [:D] Always keep a good supply of those laid back - just in case. Have plenty of water that is accessible without much problem. I have a Katadyn "Camp" filter. Can run 1.5 gal. per hour and up to 5300 gallons on one filter. So yeah, we could eat and have water. 0 -
Just the sight of that cannon would keep the two-legged wolves away from the door.
quote:Originally posted by FrancF
Springfield 1911 .45ACP, My .44 mag would have been over the edge with Leo's[:I][:D]0 -
No kidding. I see a lot of these yuppies heading to get prepared foods for breakfast, lunch and dinner! This one woman has two children and is "too stressed" with her kids to cook. What a bunch of horse@#$%. My mom raised six kids and cooked, did laundry and kept a clean home. She was happy too (my feminist sister could not stand the fact that our mom was satisifed being a mom). What a nation of weanies.
quote:Originally posted by Highball
I have talked to many people that can not cook breakfest without running to the store for something.
These are the people you will see lined up down to the 'feeding station'..set up by the government.
The first time I heard the words used to describe the places PEOPLE go to get food after a disaster..I nearly choked to death.
That is what I used to call the various places I fed cattle...."Feeding station #1, ect..."
After thinking about it...I realized how appropriate it all was.
Even a SQIRREL has sense enough to lay by a few acorns/hickory nuts for hard times...Only some animal as stupid as a steer..and THEY have little ability to..could not or will not store food.
As mentioned above...not EVERYBODY will have their stocks destroyed in a disaster...and by sharing, all get thru.
I will share NOTHING with those using the term "Survivalist" towards me in a derogatory sense...or those too stupid to lay a little by.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Wolf.
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-A UFO crashed last year here at my place. I hurriedly put up some corregated roofing over it and tell people that it's a barn. I took captive the two aliens, one male and one female. The male looks a bit like Jessica Simpson and the female resembles a very large armadillo, except she has four legs and two arms with six fingers, including an opposed thumb on each hand. Odd. Anyway, I have the female chained around one leg and she has been killing the ground squirrels on my place. The male? I have him chained up in a horse stall. All he does is crap and eat. He is vegetarian and I feed him thistles, fennel stalks, and alfalfa. He especially likes mustard weeds, which grow here in abundance. I have made him explain how the spacecraft operates and have repaired most of the damage. So, when they drop the big one, I'm ready to go. I got 100 cases of Wolf Brand Chili and 1000 Hersey bars loaded on board already (the craft is much larger inside than it is outside).
#1---If I were going with you, you'd have to substitute Nalley's chili for the Wolf brand.[:p]
#2---As far as the craft being larger on the inside: you know they are way ahead of us on the engineering side of things or they wouldn't be here.[:0]
#3--Very funny stuff.[:D][:D][:D]0 -
quote:Originally posted by The Dutchman
No kidding. I see a lot of these yuppies heading to get prepared foods for breakfast, lunch and dinner! This one woman has two children and is "too stressed" with her kids to cook. What a bunch of horse@#$%. My mom raised six kids and cooked, did laundry and kept a clean home. She was happy too (my feminist sister could not stand the fact that our mom was satisifed being a mom). What a nation of weanies.
quote:Originally posted by Highball
I have talked to many people that can not cook breakfest without running to the store for something.
These are the people you will see lined up down to the 'feeding station'..set up by the government.
The first time I heard the words used to describe the places PEOPLE go to get food after a disaster..I nearly choked to death.
That is what I used to call the various places I fed cattle...."Feeding station #1, ect..."
After thinking about it...I realized how appropriate it all was.
Even a SQIRREL has sense enough to lay by a few acorns/hickory nuts for hard times...Only some animal as stupid as a steer..and THEY have little ability to..could not or will not store food.
As mentioned above...not EVERYBODY will have their stocks destroyed in a disaster...and by sharing, all get thru.
I will share NOTHING with those using the term "Survivalist" towards me in a derogatory sense...or those too stupid to lay a little by.
Yep, but the times that are coming will seperate the men from the boys, so to speak. these helpless people will be the first to expire0 -
Last winter, we had a little power outage in the neighborhood. After I finished my dinner, I went to the garage, opened the door manually, and rolled out the generator, checked oil, and started 'er up. The next morning, exactly the neighbors I dislike most came up the hill, and stood on our entry deck, and said: "That generator is the neighborhood one, isn't it? Our little girls can't live like this, out potties won't flush!! And out freezers and refrigerator have spoiled." I told them that it is MY generator. Then I closed the door.
Even folks here where we lose power every fall and winter, sometimes for more than a week at a time, have no plan, no supplies, and no clue!!
We have "Shelter in place" supplies and goods to stay here for more than two months, easy. We also have a Coleman Tent Trailer rig, with food and water on board that would last us nearly a month (with extra water), easy.
Think about how to keep it low-key/unnoticeable. If it really is a SHTF scenario, plan on better silencing for your genset, and not showing any light at night. A couple of those russian surplus piezo-electric night scopes (no batteries) are helpful, too. They suck at much distance, but they are fine for "what's that noise?" resolution.
I may have mentioned it before, but Ham Radio has already solved the "Communicate" part of the equation: A 2-meter ham rig no bigger than a pack of playing cards can talk to a repeater atop the nearest high place, and then either dial a phone for free, or talk for hundreds of miles. One weekend of your time, and a multiple choice test, and you have a very lightly used, very capable comm system that will get you help, or find where it is safer, and you can call out (to nearly anywhere in the world) for free.0 -
Great story. Some folks are so surprised when the "infrastructural womb" lets them down they become physically and emotionally dependant on others. I don't enjoy the suffering of others in these crisis events BUT I love the look of surprise on their faces when someone who is prepared can ride out the trouble.
THE BIG PROBLEM IS THAT MANY OF THESE CRISIS ARE SOLVED QUICK ENOUGH THAT THE UNPREPARED GO BACK TO STATUS QUA AND NEVER LEARNED A THING.
quote:Originally posted by HandLoad
Last winter, we had a little power outage in the neighborhood. After I finished my dinner, I went to the garage, opened the door manually, and rolled out the generator, checked oil, and started 'er up. The next morning, exactly the neighbors I dislike most came up the hill, and stood on our entry deck, and said: "That generator is the neighborhood one, isn't it? Our little girls can't live like this, out potties won't flush!! And out freezers and refrigerator have spoiled." I told them that it is MY generator. Then I closed the door.
Even folks here where we lose power every fall and winter, sometimes for more than a week at a time, have no plan, no supplies, and no clue!!
We have "Shelter in place" supplies and goods to stay here for more than two months, easy. We also have a Coleman Tent Trailer rig, with food and water on board that would last us nearly a month (with extra water), easy.
Think about how to keep it low-key/unnoticeable. If it really is a SHTF scenario, plan on better silencing for your genset, and not showing any light at night. A couple of those russian surplus piezo-electric night scopes (no batteries) are helpful, too. They suck at much distance, but they are fine for "what's that noise?" resolution.
I may have mentioned it before, but Ham Radio has already solved the "Communicate" part of the equation: A 2-meter ham rig no bigger than a pack of playing cards can talk to a repeater atop the nearest high place, and then either dial a phone for free, or talk for hundreds of miles. One weekend of your time, and a multiple choice test, and you have a very lightly used, very capable comm system that will get you help, or find where it is safer, and you can call out (to nearly anywhere in the world) for free.0 -
Last earth quake FrancF's talking about was noticable in my neck of the woods in Marina. Where I was knocking back a few and to see things swaying to make sure it was the ground a moving and not me[:D].
Personally most people wait until they are screwed before looking for an out. I can recall when the Y2K was end all (I was re-watching "My Name Is Earl" so I'm remembering "fun times"[:D]) I was at J&S Surplus where I took calls from people asking if we carried MRE's. From the people who drives the SUV's with brushguards that never known the slap of a brush from a leafy bush thingies off road. I recon if it's not televised most people wouldn't shop until the panic shopping begins. I'll be one of "those" people sitting at home drinking grog (have to make sure the water's safe to drink) watching DVDs while they're fighting over Twinkies. I know they're so good that fighting for them is acceptable if you're 5 years old.
Handload - your scenario is like that "28 Weeks Later". I'd get some relatives and friends together in that kind a SHTF.
How many of us would actually snack on the family pets? I'd like to know. I got some Koi in the backyard I have no issues scaling, gutting and cooking if that ever became a must. The Blood Python might be something I'd consider after all the fish went in to my belly. I knew a family who used to have rabbits as "pets" when times were good but occasionally you get the four legged, skinless "chicken" served at dinner. I wonder if I can keep a pig in my condo as emergency ration?0
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