Project update (pics)
Ok here is an update for those that asked to see them. I will clear this up now so we dont have the same issues as last time. This is a LEGAL firearm, if there is any question go to this post http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=240861&SearchTerms=project .
Ok now for the fun stuff. I decided I needed the BBL a little shorter so I cut it donw to 5.5" so that I would be under 10" with my suppressor. I took it into my local gunsmith to have the BBL crowned and threaded. He ended up cutting it a little shorter then I wanted but the price was right. The length is now just under 5".
I did some sanding on the stock to make it look a little better. I still have a lot to do on the stock but this is how it is going to be for a while. I think I am going to add a longer flash hider to make it look a little better.
Here is the first pic:
Here is with the A1 flash hider:
Here is with my Gemtech Outback 2:
Ok now for the fun stuff. I decided I needed the BBL a little shorter so I cut it donw to 5.5" so that I would be under 10" with my suppressor. I took it into my local gunsmith to have the BBL crowned and threaded. He ended up cutting it a little shorter then I wanted but the price was right. The length is now just under 5".
I did some sanding on the stock to make it look a little better. I still have a lot to do on the stock but this is how it is going to be for a while. I think I am going to add a longer flash hider to make it look a little better.
Here is the first pic:
Here is with the A1 flash hider:
Here is with my Gemtech Outback 2:
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I don't think it's legal.
kidding.
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I don't think it's legal.
kidding.
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Awesome! 0 -
Dzat come with a shoulder holster? 0 -
Still don't think it is legal. The receiver was manufactured by Ruger solely for the purpose of it being used on a rifle. Ruger has no manufactured pistol that uses that receiver.
The dealer can say any or write down anything down he wants but that doesn't change the fact that you used a rifle receiver.It left the factory as a rifle receiver and was magically changed to a pistol reciever by the dealer.....lot's of questions...just sayin'0 -
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quote:Originally posted by bondai
Still don't think it is legal. The receiver was manufactured by Ruger solely for the purpose of it being used on a rifle. Ruger has no manufactured pistol that uses that receiver.
The dealer can say any or write down anything down he wants but that doesn't change the fact that you used a rifle receiver.It left the factory as a rifle receiver and was magically changed to a pistol reciever by the dealer.....lot's of questions...just sayin'
There are several manufactures producing these 10/22 receiver, that all one has to do is get another manufactures receiver and it can be anything you want it to be almost.0 -
quote:Originally posted by bondai
Still don't think it is legal. The receiver was manufactured by Ruger solely for the purpose of it being used on a rifle. Ruger has no manufactured pistol that uses that receiver.
Well until the receiver is made into a rifle by ADDING a 16" + BBL and a stock it is NOT a rifle. They can want them to be solely as rifles but until it meets the definition is it NOT a rifle and CAN be made as a pistol. FWIW it is very hard if not impossable to get a Ruger reciever.
quote:The dealer can say any or write down anything down he wants but that doesn't change the fact that you used a rifle receiver.It left the factory as a rifle receiver and was magically changed to a pistol reciever by the dealer.....lot's of questions...just sayin'
What I would like to know from you is HOW a reciever that does NOT meet the definition of a rifle "magiclly" become a rifle?
My receiver is NOT a Ruger but dosent matter who made it, including Ruger, as long as it had NEVER been made into a rifle. If this is illegal then why are they selling for over $900? Here is a link for you https://www.volquartsen.com/vc//pages/public/ListFams.jsp?id=5 .
If you look up the definition of a Rifle and pistol with the ATF you will have your answers. I can not find the link to the ATF definintions but here is the ATF links to my state: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.010 .
(1) "Firearm" means a weapon or device from which a projectile or projectiles may be fired by an explosive such as gunpowder.
(2) "Pistol" means any firearm with a barrel less than sixteen inches in length, or is designed to be held and fired by the use of a single hand.
(3) "Rifle" means a weapon designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to be fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned, made or remade, and intended to use the energy of the explosive in a fixed metallic cartridge to fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore for each single pull of the trigger.
(4) "Short-barreled rifle" means a rifle having one or more barrels less than sixteen inches in length and any weapon made from a rifle by any means of modification if such modified weapon has an overall length of less than twenty-six inches.
A VIRGIN reciever is NOT a pistol OR a rifle it does not meet either defnition. It is just a reciever and on the 4473 and in the dealers bound book it is listed as a reciver only. Also in this case I did the pistol transfer form and in the Type of firearm box it says reciever just like on the 4473. When the dealer called NICS on the the ATF asks for the Type of firearm being transfered, the answer is reciever only. The dealer can NOT say pistol since it is not one and can NOT say rifle becuse it is not. I don't know a better way to explain that [?] Had I bought this reciever and just filled out a 4473 then built a rifle out of it first then I would never be able to make it into a pistol. That is VERY clear in the definitions. Now since I built a pistol first LEGALY I can use it as either because you can make a Rifle from a Pistol.0 -
Nwcid sorry but you will not get through to him, if the head of the batf sent you a personal letter signed while being video taped, he would not believe it 0 -
First off, pretty cool project. I do know a Ruger 22/45 would cost less and handle better but this is yours, unique and the build is actually the fun part of it.
I also agree with you, I believe this is legal. But, just to cover your butt, why not try to find somebody who does laser engraving and have the receiver marked with "This firearm is a PISTOL and cannot be converted to a rifle as per NFA rules" or something like that?
This would play in your favor if you ever were to get in trouble with the BATF...0 -
quote:Originally posted by dbarale
First off, pretty cool project. I do know a Ruger 22/45 would cost less and handle better but this is yours, unique and the build is actually the fun part of it.
I also agree with you, I believe this is legal. But, just to cover your butt, why not try to find somebody who does laser engraving and have the receiver marked with "This firearm is a PISTOL and cannot be converted to a rifle as per NFA rules" or something like that?
This would play in your favor if you ever were to get in trouble with the BATF...
because the batfe already knows the rules, and it still can become a rifle, why mark up a perfectly good firearm because others refuse to educate themselves before giving a false opinion???????????0 -
I can tell you right now...even if you can prove it is "legal" you REALLY need to smash it to bits so you never have to PROVE anything in court. If you run into the "right" person you will be in jail, under indictment within minutes and looking at YEARS of crap that will cost you hundreds of thousands of dollars.
(Much like my father back in the 80s...where he fought the ATF on some unfair and "trumped up" charges that were eventually thrown out...but not before it cost him a business and over $350,000.00 to fight.)
You are poking a bear....for a .22lr...this is plain stupid...go buy a Smith and Wesson 41 or even a crappy tec .22 to fill this void you have in your gun collection. These will not give you the trouble we all see coming your way.
I don't park in the handicapped spots on my really bad PMS days (even though I really deserve to) because I know its wrong even though there is a loop-hole and I may could get away with it.0 -
Nwcid:
Question; who built the receiver for this firearm?
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quote:Originally posted by Locust Fork
I don't park in the handicapped spots on my really bad PMS days (even though I really deserve to) because I know its wrong even though there is a loop-hole and I may could get away with it.
I usually park in the handicapped spots on my wife's really bad PMS days and I'll challenge ANYONE to prove I'm not handicapped at that time of the month.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Ronald J. Snow
Nwcid:
Question; who built the receiver for this firearm?
RJSnow
I got this from Brownells It is on page 2 of catalog #59. It is part number 921-010-220, listed as M.O.A Corp SS receiver. Price of $168.50.0 -
quote:Originally posted by dbarale
First off, pretty cool project. I do know a Ruger 22/45 would cost less and handle better but this is yours, unique and the build is actually the fun part of it.
I also agree with you, I believe this is legal. But, just to cover your butt, why not try to find somebody who does laser engraving and have the receiver marked with "This firearm is a PISTOL and cannot be converted to a rifle as per NFA rules" or something like that?
This would play in your favor if you ever were to get in trouble with the BATF...
I did have the dealer stamp pistol below the serial number just for good measure. FYI it is LEGAL to make a rifle from a pistol though.0 -
Looks good. I think the stock could use a little work still. 0 -
Looking good!
What are you going to do with the dovetail cut on top of the barrel?0 -
Cool project, bad stock. Did you look at what Boyd's had for sale on the damaged part? You might find something there that would improve the function and looks. Just my thoughts. 0 -
Yeah I know about the stock but it is better then it was. Keep in mind that part of the project was free and is tempoary. I think I am going to build the real stock out of a high strength plastic that I found localy. I dont remember the name of the stuff but they make machine parts out of it. Down side is that is a little on the expensive side so I would rather mess up a free wood stock before I start on that stuff.
I will be cutting off the current grip then filling in and squaring up the back. I will then add an AR style grip.
There is a blank to fill in the rear site cut that I will be adding prior to putting a finish on the gun.
I did look at Boyd's but they didnt have anything that jumped out at me. Thanks for the link0 -
Not a problem, just trying to help. How's the noise level with the suppressor on it? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Aspen79se
Not a problem, just trying to help. How's the noise level with the suppressor on it?
I have not got to shoot it yet [V]. Having moved into town [B)] I think I might upset my neighbors. I know on my P22 using the Aguila SE ammo it is very quite. I have been thinking about getting a "sandbox" and test firing it in the basement since it is still unfinished. That is probably not a very good idea though which is why I havent done it yet.0 -
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add a ventilated barrel shroud to make the gun grabbers need a diaper change.0 -
Did you encounter any problems threading your Ruger barrel to fit the new receiver?
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I see ebony stain and a dozen coats of tru-oil in that stocks future. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Ronald J. Snow
Did you encounter any problems threading your Ruger barrel to fit the new receiver?
RJSnow
I did not thread that end, it is standard "slip in". I had the muzzle treaded for the flash hider and suppressor.
That reciever has the option to use threaded BBL's but they are a different size then the "slip in" BBLs.0
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