ruger 1022 pistol
I know one of our members has made a 1022 pistol just cant remember who but thought ya'll might get a kick out of this..
tazz
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=77072045
tazz
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=77072045
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18" barrel, not sure it is long enough over all, unless there is a tax stamp involved. 0 -
Not legal in NY unless Ruger offered that model, overall length may be a problem.Im thinking it falls under modfyied firearms 0 -
May be a good shooter, but it sure is UGLY. 0 -
I did not believe this when I first heard it but it appears to be true. You can buy a new rifle or rifle action and ask the dealer to specify that the firearm is a pistol on the 4473 (or whatever is used now) and as far as the ATF is concerned it's a pistol. That means all pistol regulations apply to that gun but it also means you can put a short barrel and a pistol grip on it and ignore the length requirements for long guns because that one is legally a handgun.
But, if you leave the shoulder stock on it the barrel and overall length would have to meet federal requirements.
The seller of this Ruger calls it a pistol and maybe that's what it is. If it's not papered as a handgun there may be some issues with the length of this gun.0 -
SaxonPig - wouldn't the barrel being over 16" make it a SBR automatically, unless the overall length meets the minimum (26" IIRC?) 0 -
Actuall, Magnum research is marketing their version of this, on their own version of the 10/22 action. It can be had in 22LR or 17M2.
It is correct that if the action has been transferred by an FFL as a pistol, it can be in almost any configuration, except supressed, or select fire. A good example of this is the T/C Contender, and Encores. The smart hunter/buyer, will have the FFL transfer it as a Handgun(especially here in NY, if you hold a handgun permit), even if it is in the present form of a Muzzle loading rifle. That way you can put a pistol barrel, grip, and forend on it, or keep the shoulder stock, and put a rifle or shotgun barrel on it. Do NOT have a shoulder stock on anything with a barrel shorter than 16 inches for a rifle, or 18 inches for a shotgun(do not have a shotgun PERIOD under 18"), unless you wish to spark up a relationship with bubba in the FEDERAL hotel.0 -
Using the stated length of the barrel as scale, this rifle is about 27 inches long overall. So it is legal length for a rifle, even though it has no butt stock.
I don't guess I understand the whole rifle/pistol thing.
If the receiver has never been assembled as anything, I can put a short barrel and pistol grip on it, and it is a legal pistol. But if it has ever been a rifle, and I do the same operation, I have to register it. Right?
Unless I am a licensed manufacturer. Then, I can dissasemble a rifle, stamp my name and serial number on the receiver and "manufacture" it as whatever I want. Right?
Now, I can buy a Thompson/Center Encore or Contender, and switch the same frame from rifle to pistol and back again at will, without asking anyone's permission. Right?
Why is that?
If you buy a stripped receiver, and want to build a pistol out of it, how do you know that is a legal operation, unless you the receiver is brand new?0 -
What, you're expecting laws to make sense?
As I said, I was shocked but I saw a letter from the ATF saying it is legal to take a new rifle or rifle action (can't ever have been sold retail before) and declare it to be a pistol on the federal form and that's what it is to the ATF.
So if you really want that M1 Carbine pistol, buy a new one and have the dealer mark it as a handgun on the form. You can then legally saw off the stock into a pistol grip and chop the barrel to whatever length works. You can make your own Enforcer.
It would be completely illegal, however, to take a rifle you already own and has been sold as a rifle and do the same thing. Also bear in mind that once you declare it a handgun that's what it is forever.0 -
But not if it's a Thompson/Center????!!!!
Why is that different????0 -
If declared as a handgun, that is what it is forever on paper. Here in NYS it could only be sold to a pistol permit holder. However, that does not dictate the actual form it has to be in. It can have a legal rifle barrel of 16" or greater put on it with a shoulder stock. 0 -
Saxon is ALMOST right. You have to have a *virgin* receiver, that was NEVER made into a rifle to be order to buy it and have it "papered" as a pistol. Then you can make it a pistol. It can't already be a full, complete rifle. They can't paper it as a pistol if it is.
Nunn: TC somehow got the feds to approve that whole TC pistol/rifle mess. They are the only ones who can legally do that, for some reason. Good lobbyist, I guess.
There may indeed be issues with the gun shown, if it isn't at least 26" total. I can't tell from the pic.
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So only an un-barreled action can be declared a handgun? Means you'd have to get the manufacturer to sell you an action and not will do it. Maybe this is why?
I don't know about the TC situation. Maybe because they are making rifles and pistols on similar actions there are special rules or policies.0 -
Brownell's carries several brands of "virgin" 10/22 receivers. Volquartson is one of the brands. 
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I do not know where to find the TC letter but they fought the ATF for a letter on theirs. On the TC I am not sure how they are transfered but from what I understand it says you can make ANY legal combo with ANY parts and be legal. There is an ATF letter saying this is a fact.
Now it is legal to make a pistol into a rifle and always has been. If you make a pistol into a rifle you can turn it back if you want to.
I am one of the members that made a pistol here is the latest pic of it. It is coming along but I still have a bit of work to do.
Here is what I understand from doing my own research and what 2 dealers have told me.
Fact you can build a pistol from ANY virgin receiver, this means has never had a full length bbl and stock on it. This has nothing to do with being sold the first time, if a receiver has ever had the parts on it to be a rifle it will ALWAYS be a rifle unless you go SBR.
Now I am not a dealer and have never been but here is my experience has been. When buying a virgin receiver on the 4473 it is listed as "receiver only". If you are buying a receiver how can it be a pistol it does not meet the definition for one? How can it be a rifle since it does not meet the definition for one? Now if that receiver has ever been built into a rifle or a pistol (not virgin) it would be listed as such on the 4473. When I bought the receiver for the pistol above on the 4473 it is listed as "receiver only" since that is exactly what it is. If I ever go to sell it in the future it will have to be sold as a pistol (even if it is just the receiver) since that is what it was built into.0 -
Taz,
That might have been me. I posted before I started this project a couple of years ago. Here is it (I hope!):[http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y156/cbxjeff/?action=view¤t=DSCN0200.jpg]
12" barrel, laser, Volquartsen receiver.
nwcid - checkout the mag. Thanks again.0 -
Well I almost did it right. The pic appears if you click the link but what did I do wrong to keep it from appearing in my post? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by cbxjeff
Well I almost did it right. The pic appears if you click the link but what did I do wrong to keep it from appearing in my post?
You need to choose the last option which is the "IMG" tag.
The one you put up is the link to go to that page.
BTW nice mag [:D][:D][:D]
What do you think of those? Was I right?0 -
quote:Originally posted by Nwcid
quote:Originally posted by cbxjeff
Well I almost did it right. The pic appears if you click the link but what did I do wrong to keep it from appearing in my post?
You need to choose the last option which is the "IMG" tag.
The one you put up is the link to go to that page.
BTW nice mag [:D][:D][:D]
What do you think of those? Was I right?
both of the pistols are very nice thanks for posting them
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Yes, that mag is a work of art! Worth every penny. I think the adjustable fit will make a big difference in my Tec-22s - or anything that uses a molded plastic mag housing. 0 -
Tempting..sure is tempting.[;)] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by cbxjeff
Yes, that mag is a work of art! Worth every penny. I think the adjustable fit will make a big difference in my Tec-22s - or anything that uses a molded plastic mag housing.
Well next time I take pics of mine I will have to make sure to put my TI mag in [:D][:D][:D]
For those that don't know here are the best mags money can buy:
http://www.tacticalinc.com/ti25-machined-aluminum-steel-lipbrmagazine-ruger-1022-p-212.html
http://www.tacticalinc.com/ti25-advanced-composite-steel-magazine-ruger-1022-p-532.html0
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