Anyone have a Glock 17?
I certainly dont need another 9MM or handgun,but som of the guys at the range has them. Ive shot a few hundred RDs through one and never had a hiccup. I also notice with the 18RD capacity they continue shooting while everyone else is loading. Can someone give me opinions on this hangun?
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Four of my Glocks are 17's. I love'em. I use them for competition and teaching.
If properly maintained, they are very reliable and accurate. They can go through many thousands of rounds and keep on truckin. They are not pretty, but they are easy to operate.
I have noticed that people either love Glocks or hate them. Not a lot of people in the middle. Glocks, I believe, are used by more police departments that any other single brand of handgun.
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here's one that might go reasonable..check out his other auctions too..Loko
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=77200596
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I had one of the early ones, have a gen 3, and have a G35 and just bought a G34. I love my Glocks. I have shot thousands of rounds through these guns and have only had one failure in my fist G17. The failure was in bullet not the gun, I had a "pop and no bang" the bullet had lodged half way down the BBL. I am not a fan of the "compact" Glocks because to me they are really not any smaller then the full sized guns.
I got a G35(.40) last year and shoot it a ton. I was looking for a G34(9mm) but I got the G35 for the right price so I ended up with that. I just bought a G34 a couple of days ago, not as good of a deal as the G35 but close enough. I really like the way the long slide guns look, feel, and shoot.
During the time of year I can wear a light jacket or more my main carry gun is my G35. During the summer the G35 is close but I pack a Colt Mustang because it is a truely small gun.0 -
Iv got a friend that has one he wants me to put on auction if he dont sale it at the gun show this weekend he likes it but wants a smaller one for carry Ill post a link if I get to list it. 0 -
only bad thing about owning a glock is you loose practice at clearing a jam, i'm not making a joke, i'm referring to competition where every 1/100 of a second is valuable, i knew a guy who shot a dan wesson 1911 we nick named him jammin jimmy, he got so good at clearing the p.o.s. he could tap rack bang in under .50 seconds
as I've said before i'm close to 20,000 on my g34 not 1 malfunction0 -
Save a little more money and buy a Sig Sauer p226. A lot more comfortable to shoot. Sigs are used by more high profile law enforcement agencies such as the secret service and the FBI. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by frankcastle13
Save a little more money and buy a Sig Sauer p226. A lot more comfortable to shoot. Sigs are used by more high profile law enforcement agencies such as the secret service and the FBI.
Now that is an opinion not fact. Sigs are a great gun and I know lots of people that shoot them well. Sigs do NOT fit me well, they do not naturally point well for me like other pistols do. This does not mean I think the Sigs are bad, but a gun that doesn't fit/shoot well for you is not a good gun.0 -
Yes, I think it's very important to buy Austrian Clocks and send the money over there, than to buy Smiths and keep the money in America.
And you wonder why Winchester is gone.
I am one of those who wouldn't own a Clock, not just because they are incredibly ugly, but they have terrible triggers and feel like squirt guns.
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Originally posted by Doug Wilson
Yes, I think it's very important to buy Austrian Clocks and send the money over there, than to buy Smiths and keep the money in America.
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I dont care for Austrian Clocks...... They keep terrible time and you have to wind them everyday.0 -
Got a 19 and 26. Had to opportunity to shot several 17's.
Accurate enough for their intended purpose and reliable.0 -
One of the best. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Doug Wilson
Yes, I think it's very important to buy Austrian Clocks and send the money over there, than to buy Smiths and keep the money in America.
And you wonder why Winchester is gone.
I am one of those who wouldn't own a Clock, not just because they are incredibly ugly, but they have terrible triggers and feel like squirt guns.
Doug
Winchester is gone because Americans are not going to pay $800 for a quality shotgun or rifle when they can get imports for $350. In order for Winchester to compete they sacraficed quality (turned out to be a mistake) and Americans wouldnt stand for it.....And glocks just look like squirt guns, they feel like real guns. [8D] I, as many of you, can carry whatever I want. I carry a glock 22(loaded always) because its light, packs a load, and goes bang every time without the frills.0 -
I see lot of models mentioned, but does no one use a 36 for their carry? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Doug Wilson
Yes, I think it's very important to buy Austrian Clocks and send the money over there, than to buy Smiths and keep the money in America.
And you wonder why Winchester is gone.
I am one of those who wouldn't own a Clock, not just because they are incredibly ugly, but they have terrible triggers and feel like squirt guns.
Doug
Better to send your money away and send a message to an American company that they'd better step up to the plate. I don't know anyone who has ever RECOMMENDED purchasing a S&W semi-auto. They sold out with their integral key-lock mechanisms on their revolvers just like Taurus did. Want a better product made by an American company? Buy the product you actually WANT regardless of who makes it. Marketing departments in the USA will do or die. Put out our get out. Maybe that's what happened to Winchester.0 -
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quote:Originally posted by Doug Wilson
Yes, I think it's very important to buy Austrian Clocks and send the money over there, than to buy Smiths and keep the money in America.
And you wonder why Winchester is gone.
I am one of those who wouldn't own a Clock, not just because they are incredibly ugly, but they have terrible triggers and feel like squirt guns.
Doug
Better to send your money away and send a message to an American company that they'd better step up to the plate. I don't know anyone who has ever RECOMMENDED purchasing a S&W semi-auto. They sold out with their integral key-lock mechanisms on their revolvers just like Taurus did. Want a better product made by an American company? Buy the product you actually WANT regardless of who makes it. Marketing departments in the USA will do or die. Put out our get out. Maybe that's what happened to Winchester.
A better American Glock alternative?
Isn't that called the Springfield XD?
I tell you what, they feel better in my hands and I can hit the target better than with a Glock.0 -
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Better to send your money away and send a message to an American company that they'd better step up to the plate. I don't know anyone who has ever RECOMMENDED purchasing a S&W semi-auto. They sold out with their integral key-lock mechanisms on their revolvers just like Taurus did. Want a better product made by an American company? Buy the product you actually WANT regardless of who makes it. Marketing departments in the USA will do or die. Put out our get out. Maybe that's what happened to Winchester.
So...you won't support S&W just because they have locks on them, but you will support Glock? A gun company in a country that has horrible gun control laws. That really makes sense. As for no one ever recommending S&W guns: how about the California Highway Patrol? They are totally happy with their S&Ws. And I have seen numerous other police depts that carry S&Ws.0 -
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Better to send your money away and send a message to an American company that they'd better step up to the plate. I don't know anyone who has ever RECOMMENDED purchasing a S&W semi-auto. They sold out with their integral key-lock mechanisms on their revolvers just like Taurus did. Want a better product made by an American company? Buy the product you actually WANT regardless of who makes it. Marketing departments in the USA will do or die. Put out our get out. Maybe that's what happened to Winchester.
So...you won't support S&W just because they have locks on them, but you will support Glock? A gun company in a country that has horrible gun control laws. That really makes sense. As for no one ever recommending S&W guns: how about the California Highway Patrol? They are totally happy with their S&Ws. And I have seen numerous other police depts that carry S&Ws.
I don't spend my dollars in an effort to support one group or another. I spend my dollars to purchase things that I want and support companies that already produce those things. That's actually the better way to make the economy work. Purchasing something other than what you really want sends mixed messages to marketing departments and causes slow delivery to the consumer the products that the consumer really wants. I don't buy into ideas. I buy into products. If the fact that many PD's carry S&W pistols causes you to want a S&W then more power to you. Buy a S&W. I personally LOVE the S&W 457. It feels better in my hand than any other compact pistol in .45 ACP. I'll probably buy another over the course of the next 2 years. The fact that S&W incorporated yet another device whose only purpose is to CAUSE their guns NOT to fire (along with all of the other redundant internal safeties) leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I will not purchase a new S&W revolver specifically for that reason. If there are enough people like me out there then maybe S&W will tell their lawyers to go screw themselves and make a product without what I consider an inherent and intended DEFECT.
Why do I feel this way? I once owned a Remington 597. I used to drive it out to a spot in Iowa where you could hunt or set up targets. It was a public place. I'd park my car and walk about 150 yards and set up a large target board. I'd walk back about 50 yards (now 100 yards from my truck) and lay behind my Remington 597 and would punch holes in paper with .22LR rounds. It was a lot of fun. I loved that gun and I NEVER used the key locking device on it. One day I set up my target board and walked back to my gun. I loaded it, chambered a round, aimed and squeezed. No bang. I walked all the way back to my truck and got the key that I had never used before. I locked my gun using the little key locking mechanism and then unlocked it. I squeezed the trigger and the gun fired.
Moral of the story? That little key-locking device internal to the gun failed. It prevented the gun from firing when I wanted it to fire. I will not buy a defensive or hunting revolver that has such a device. It is an integral and intended defect in my opinion.
So, to answer your question, I will not "support" Glock. I would buy a Glock before I bought a S&W revolver. I'll buy a S&W 457 in a heartbeat. In the last year I've purchased from Marlin, T/C, and Remington. I've also purchased products from CZ and a used Ithaca Deerslayer.
Last time I checked, the XD is made in Croatia. Springfield may be the corporate name but the blue-collar workers employed are not American. There is a Glock factory in Georgia. The corporate name may be Austrian but the blue-collar workers that make the pistols that Americans buy from Glock are Americans. Correct me if I'm wrong but Springfield didn't design or develop the XD. It used to be sold under a different name because it is Croatian and it carried a price tag under $300 the first time I saw one. Springfield slapped their name on it, doubled the price and ramped up marketing and distribution--something the Croation company was having trouble with.0 -
Now Im not trying to get involved in a online beef here but I have read a couple of the last posts and feel the need to share MY OPINION(We Are All Entitled To One).I have fired Glocks and the 17 I have fired a good bit but I would most definately reccomend an older S&W Semi-Auto because I have never seen one malfunction in mine to date and there have been around 3500+ through mine.It has always been accurate and absoulutely reliable.As for Smith and Wessson putting the internal locking mechanism on their revolvers doesnt make their revolvers any less worth having or make them want their guns to not shoot.Its just keeping with the times.It does come with a key so you as an American can choose to turn that key and leave the gun on or off,its just that simple but those keys will be on every firearm within the next few years.
Everyone has their own taste in guns.I came on here asking about a Ruger some liked them some did not and its the same with every gun maker.Smith and Wesson in my opinion shouldnt have stopped making their top line guns but apparently they did because I looked on their web site for a 4566 and they werent there,if it was I would surely buy one.Guns with no manner of external safety are dinosaurs and make no mistake the meteor is coming.It boils down to the gun owner,I personally dont have a problem that my 642 has a lock on it I just dont use it but it is a very light reliable carry gun so thats why I have it.Personally boycotting a company because they added internal locks to their guns doesnt seem a viable reason to me.I have a friend who has children and his sole purpose for the buying the gun he chose to go with was because of that key and he can lock or unlock it as needed.My basic oint to all this dribble is we are Americans and just because that is put there doesnt mean we have to use it.Its a sign of the times and inevitable and not really an evil thing.I would reccomend a Smith & Wesson though absoulutley because mine has been an excellent gun.0 -
You're right. We don't have to use the device. But.....
What happens when the device (like all mechanical devices) fails and prevents the gun from firing? I'm not trying to get into a p*ss*ng match. It's just my opinion. I won't buy a gun with a key-lock. My safety is my trigger finger and that thing between my ears. I could continue to make further cases other than what I have already stated against such a device but I won't.
Regarding the Glock 17--YES! I would buy one if I had the inkling to own a 9mm pistol. I've only fired one Glock that had problems and it turned out to be a magazine issue. The gun was great as were all Glocks that I've fired. If a Glock feels best in your hands then I'd buy one if I were you.0 -
I have fired my little 642 ALOT and most of the time it is with +p ammunition and I have yet to have that problem and I certainly hope I never do but its track record so far is good.I'll have to look into putting some lock-tite or JB Weld on that screw now though[:D].I dont see it happening with the Smith and I surley hope it does not. 0 -
I have two 17's and really like them. I have never had any issues. I also have a 19 and it actually points better for me than the 17. I use the 17rd 17 mags in my 19 sometimes and you can always get the G18 33 rounders for either if you feel the need. I also have Sigs 226 and 228's and like them. Unless it just doesn't fit your hand I think it is hard to go wrong with one. I think some (but obviously)not all people that are hard on Glocks speak lees from personal experience than from actual handling of them. 0 -
wasn't it S&W who sold us out in 94 to the brady bunch?
when it comes to my survival i will pick up an ak47 and a glock that i know works any day, while it is honorable to "buy American" it is impossible to do 100% in our lives 75% of what each of us own is not 100% American made so by buying a glock makes me no more a traitor than a person who buy a toshiba or sony, even a product made in the u.s. supports foreign countries by the vovlo semi it is shipped in with the use of foreign oil to power it, along with the Mitsubishi fork truck used to unload it, the non English speaking warehouse worker who unloaded it, and the customer service representative who is located in India, so don't say it is un American to own a glock as you read this from you Chinese made computer monitor
but i promise i will shoot American made bullets[:)]0 -
1911a1Fan that was very well put. 0 -
Save a little more money and buy a Sig Sauer p226. A lot more comfortable to shoot. Sigs are used by more high profile law enforcement agencies such as the secret service and the FBI.
Im a LEO and our Duty Sidearm is a SIG P-229 .357sig, I own 3 other SIG's of my own and love them. But I do like my Glock 23 and the Mag capacity of the gun and its reliability is appealing to me. I also have a Glock 31 .357sig that hold 15+1 and its a very comfortable and reliable gun. Just wondering what those with experience with them had to say.0 -
For those that dont like the trigger pull you really need to try the 3.5lb trigger. After buying my G35 (came with 3.5lb trigger) I will put them in any Glock I own from now on, it makes a huge difference. 0
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