Silencer Question
I'm thinking about getting a silencer for my P239 Tactical so I can shoot on my property without bothers neighbors (I have plenty of room). I realize that I need to buy through a Level III FFL - how do I find one in Texas?
Also, what other requiresments are there besides the $200 permit? Is there an additional background check beyond the usual one?
Also, what other requiresments are there besides the $200 permit? Is there an additional background check beyond the usual one?
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Question came up weather or not a legally purchased silencer, meaning fed tax stamp, and transfers, etc. has to be put on any certain gun, assuming it is for that caliber of course, or can it be placed on any gun at any time? 0 -
i play games online, and it seems the developers make it less powerful. does that hold any standing in real life, or just the opposite, i wouldn't think it would play apart at all, but that is an uneducated guess. 0 -
Saw this on Gunbroker; how can someone in Kentucky buy direct without going through a Class III?
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Here is the real deal for you!! We are offering an absolutley new Lauer Predator silencer. The manufacturer backs these up with a lifetime warranty. These may be used either wet or dry. They are VERY quiet. When used with subsonic ammo on a 10-22 with a 16" barrel, they sound like an old Daisey BB gun. Of course, the suppressor may be used on any .22 so you would not be limited to using it on only just one weapon. This silencer may be taken apart for cleaning with a spanner wrench. The threads are 1/2 x 28. We have Walther adapters. Silencer must be shipped to class III dealer or may be purchased directly by a Kentucky resident. Pay with cash, money order, bank check, Personal check (personal check delays paperwork by two weeks) or credit card. Prices are discounted for cash purchases; therefore, credit card purchases are 4% higher. SH&I is $15. Kentucky transactions are welcome and may result in no shipping charge, but sales tax would apply. ABSOLUTELY NO FOREIGN SALES. DON'T WASTE YOUR TIME OR MY TIME ASKING.
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quote:Originally posted by joker5656
i play games online, and it seems the developers make it less powerful. does that hold any standing in real life, or just the opposite, i wouldn't think it would play apart at all, but that is an uneducated guess.
They may actually be doing it right. For a silencer to be truely effective the bullet has to be subsonic. What that means is that the bullet is traveling slower, so it has less energy, therefore less powerful.0 -
Now that is something i didn't know about the bullet speed. Well i now i can let them know that the developers of the game really know what they are doing. people always wine.
another quick question accuracy should stay the same right?0 -
There is a dry silencer and a wet silencer. It's more quiet when the silencer is wet, meaning you can put some water in the baffle or grease and make it about 30% more effective. That's what they mean by a wet or dry silencer and it's only good for about ten shot's when wet. 0 -
For a silencer to truly work, the ammo needs to be subsonic, which means a velocity below 1128 fps. Some pistol rounds (like 230gr .45 ACP rounds) travel below the speed of sound anyway, so there should be no difference in power when you're talking about pistol cartridges.
Rifle cartridges generally travel around 2000 fps or higher. Making them subsonic means their velocity is cut in half, which as you can imagine might hurt accuracy and power somewhat. Although, I'm not sure if any 'subsonic' rifle rounds actually exist. I'd imagine they do, since there are silencers for rifles.0 -
The silencer itself shouldn't affect the power much. But it is true that if you want a silent gun you'll need subsonic ammo.
If you've got a .22 bolt rifle, try shooting subsonic ammo and then supersonic ammo next to each other, without hearing protection. The difference in noise is astounding.0 -
It depends on what kind of gun you are talking and how quiet it is. Most of the pistol cal guns are "movie" quiet and there should be little if any stopping power difference. A .45 cal pistol round is subsonic in the first place so a silencer has no affect on it.
For most rifles they are quieter to the point of about like wearing ear plugs. You will not get the pppttthhh noise and drop a man at 500 yards without someone hearing. For the most part adding a suppressor to a rifle will actually improve accuracy. It makes the rifle have evenly vented gas, less muzzle rise and some will reduce recoil.
The speed of sound is about 1000fps it varies a little depending on how hot it is.
There are 2 sounds a gun makes. The first is the sound of the pressure change as the bullet leaves the BBL this is the noise the Suppressor stops/reduces. The second noise is the bullets sound as it breaks the sound barrier (assuming not subsonic ammo).
Here is a bunch of videos of me shooting. Several of them have suppressors. There is a P22, FS2000, MP5SD, G17, M-11: http://video.yahoo.com/video/group?gid=136406 .0 -
well this will will definitly give me some answers, thanks 0 -
Ask and ye shall.....well, you know. 0 -
I want SILENCE in this room!!!...SILENCE! I said! 0 -
Silencers are misnomers. They do not make a weapon silent. 
http://www.silencertests.com/albums/AAC/Kel_Tec.jpg
These rifles are Suppressed .308's. The round is still traveling supersonic far downrange. Reportedly it reduces the sound from what you would expect from a .308 to something you would expect from a .22 LR.
they *might* slightly decrease muzzle velocity, but I doubt it would be very noticable.
As a side note, the Silenced pistol in GTA San Andreas was about 2-3 times as powerful as the normal pistol (but you could dual wield normal pistols, and they had a higher rate of fire).
I think the game developers are just enacting a gameplay balance feature, rather than basing it on real physics. If the suppressed weapons were just as powerful as the non-suppressed weapons, nobody would ever use anything but suppressed weapons.
In the game Operation Flashpoint (excluding Fan made addons), there was only one silenced weapon, the HK MP5SD. It was nearly silent, and was "weaker". In that game 1-2 shots from any weapon to the torso could kill someone (though sometimes for no apparent reason it takes a 2nd or third shot, the M-16 burst fire would always put them down though-except sometimes at long range). The game had pretty good ballistics modeling, and the low muzzle velocity (400m/s compared to the m-16's 990 m/s) seriously decreased its usefullness. It was also far less accurate. In the more open daytime battlefield scenarios, people used M-16s and M-21s, and anyone using the Mp5 would have a serious handicap. At night, in the towns, the Mp5 ruled.0 -
quote:Originally posted by CA sucks
Silencers are misnomers. They do not make a weapon silent.
That all depends on the set up you are using. I have shot with in 5 feet of someone and they did not notice. I was using my 77/22 with Gemtech Outback 2 and Remington subsonic ammo. I made the shot while he was looking the other way, I said "dang I missed", his reply was "you didn't shoot". Well I had and he said he thought he heard me click my safety off. Check out the MP5SD in my video link will not totally silent it is very impressive.
quote:These rifles are Suppressed .308's. The round is still traveling supersonic far downrange. Reportedly it reduces the sound from what you would expect from a .308 to something you would expect from a .22 LR.
they *might* slightly decrease muzzle velocity, but I doubt it would be very noticable.
Now if you are shooting subsonic ammo, and it is made but not cheep, you will not get a supersonic crack. After shooting many silencers myself the best way to compare the sound to something most people know is to say it is about like shooting with earplugs.0 -
quote:Originally posted by watrulookinat
There is a dry silencer and a wet silencer. It's more quiet when the silencer is wet, meaning you can put some water in the baffle or grease and make it about 30% more effective. That's what they mean by a wet or dry silencer and it's only good for about ten shot's when wet.
Third major innovation: Sionics suppressor as used on Mac-10 has a rubber "wipe", slit criss-cross, at exit end of the can. The bullet forces open this slit which then closes, trapping sound sound energy within. Accuracy? What can you expect a bullet to do if you "touch" it in flight? This is, BTW, a dry-type device. I would rate it's effectiveness as so-so, but what the hell do I know?0 -
You're eventually going to get around to wondering why someone would use a suppressor on a rifle using ammo that's going to cause a loud sonic crack anyhow.
When that supersonic projectile rips through the air there'll be no doubt in the enemy's mind that a round was fired. However, due to this sound actually being created downrange and it's source moving, the position of the shooter won't be discernable. Visible muzzle blast is also essentially eliminated.0 -
I know it depends on the setup- But what most people call a silencer does not make a weapon even close to silent, I did watch the MP5 video, and it a lot quietER.
Suppressor is a more accurate term, as they suppress the sound, MOST do no even come close to making the weapon silent.
And at the range- well I assume he had hearing protection on, and if he hadn't realized you were using a suppressed weapon- he would expect a different sound from you firing, and thus attributed the sound he did hear to something else (flipping the safety in this case).
From what I read, those .308s, even with the suppressor (note the forum is on is SILENCERtests), may not even be safe to fire without hearing protection- although a spectator standing a dozen or so feet away it probably fine.
*edit* Txs- another reason is just because its more pleasant for all those around you- If I recall correctly Happy Nanoq (sp?) in the Netherlands says people that live by a range/go to the range prefer that they use suppressors- for obvious reasons0 -
they use a silencer on a rifle because their target isn't far enough away to get the supersonic crack. they still get reduced noise.
really, it's not a "silencer", it's a "suppressor".
quote:You will not get the pppttthhh noise and drop a man at 500 yards without someone hearing.300 Whisper0 -
quote:Originally posted by CA sucks
Suppressor is a more accurate term, as they suppress the sound, MOST do no even come close to making the weapon silent.
I will agree with that. I am just saying some come very close to being silent depending on the set up.
quote:And at the range- well I assume he had hearing protection on, and if he hadn't realized you were using a suppressed weapon- he would expect a different sound from you firing, and thus attributed the sound he did hear to something else (flipping the safety in this case).
The only time I have shot at a range is for ISPC matches or the MG shoots you see in the video. My range is my backyard.
The time I was talking about in my previous post was varmint hunting on private land. I was sitting in the truck with my buddy (no ear plugs since I was shooting with the can on) when making that shot. My 77/22 is quieter shooting with the suppressor then dry firing it is. When dry firing the firing pin "rattles", when shooting against a live round it is a solid click of the pin hitting the case.0 -
quote:Originally posted by buschmaster
they use a silencer on a rifle because their target isn't far enough away to get the supersonic crack. they still get reduced noise.
really, it's not a "silencer", it's a "suppressor".
quote:You will not get the pppttthhh noise and drop a man at 500 yards without someone hearing.300 Whisper
This is true. You will not know where the shot came from but I hear a 200lb man loaded with gear makes lots of noise when they fall [:D]0 -
Just curious - are there no forums for people who play video games??
Doug0 -
quote:Originally posted by buschmaster
they use a silencer on a rifle because their target isn't far enough away to get the supersonic crack.A supersonic bullet actually creates this crack from the time it leaves the muzzle.0 -
Most of this discussion was purely on firearms, aside from the first few posts, this talk of noise levels, sound, super/sub sonic, etc has nothing to do with videogames 0 -
quote:Originally posted by MosinNagantDisciple
Although, I'm not sure if any 'subsonic' rifle rounds actually exist. I'd imagine they do, since there are silencers for rifles.
300 Whisper is a rifle (kind of) cartridge that is designed to be subsonic.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Txs
quote:Originally posted by buschmaster
they use a silencer on a rifle because their target isn't far enough away to get the supersonic crack.A supersonic bullet actually creates this crack from the time it leaves the muzzle.
wavefront doesn't fully develop until about 75 yards out, so you won't get a 'crack' until then. try it with a .22, I've observed the effect.0 -
quote:Originally posted by CA sucks
Most of this discussion was purely on firearms, aside from the first few posts, this talk of noise levels, sound, super/sub sonic, etc has nothing to do with videogames
hah! too late. [:D]0 -
Huh?
My comment was in response to Doug's sarcastic question about the existence of video game forums.0 -
quote:Originally posted by buschmaster
quote:Originally posted by Txs
quote:Originally posted by buschmaster
they use a silencer on a rifle because their target isn't far enough away to get the supersonic crack.A supersonic bullet actually creates this crack from the time it leaves the muzzle.
wavefront doesn't fully develop until about 75 yards out, so you won't get a 'crack' until then. try it with a .22, I've observed the effect.Your target will hopefully never hear even an unsuppressed round, but there might be more out there to worry about than just him.
I've done this a few times and yes it is pretty bizarre. The effect you describe is what makes even a supersonic round's point of origin tough to discern. It might've impacted only 30 yds away, but to anyone in the area it sounds like it came from somewhere over that way.0 -
I have been saving up for this
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Legality of suppressors:
Registered similar to machine-gun, under NFA.
NOT legal in all states, personally certain about one- Missouri- Illegal.0
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