Bye-Bye to pickups, SUVs and American Pie!
There's a change-a-comin! I can feel it in my shorts![8D]

Some Democratic senators are touting China's gas mileage law as an example for the USA! Probably those one cylinder 2 hp tricycles are too radical for the USA, so the new full-size sedan will be:
Every so often in our nation's capital, a "don't just stand there, do something" mentality takes over and consumers inevitably suffer the consequences. Well, it's about to happen again as some in Congress rush to try to stop global climate change by setting drastically higher fuel economy standards for motor vehicles. And once again, consumers should beware.
There's an old saying that those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. Legislating to raise Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standards to between 35 and 40 miles per gallon to respond to growing concern about dependence on foreign oil and global climate change is a good case in point.
Reacting to the gas crisis in the 1970s, Congress established the CAFE program to improve vehicle gas mileage and reduce dependence on foreign oil. It arbitrarily decreed the auto industry should double gas mileage over a decade. Ultimately, the automakers did so, but only because gas prices rose substantially in the late 1970s and early '80s, forcing consumers to buy smaller cars. And it didn't happen without significant adverse consequences for consumers, the industry and its employees.
For example, as a direct result of higher CAFE standards, big family station wagons were regulated out of existence. But large families, farmers, small businesses and those who tow or haul heavy loads still needed vehicles. Thus, minivans, SUVs and extended cab pickups were developed to fill that need, since by law, as light-duty trucks, they are subject to somewhat lower mileage requirements. Consumers no longer had the option of buying a full size station wagon, even though the substitute vehicles yielded little or no fuel savings.
Now some in Congress want to subject those vehicles to a 10-15 mpg raise -- with no thought as to what millions of Americans with a need to tow and haul will do about getting a vehicle that can meet those needs. So the more than 20 million towables -- campers, trailers, RVs, snowmobiles, motorcycles, boats and so forth -- may be consigned to the garage or the backyard.
Regulatory schemes like CAFE can come with a number of unintended consequences -- things like putting smaller, sometimes less-safe vehicles on the road; pricing some vehicles beyond the reach of many Americans; and artificially creating winners and losers in a highly competitive environment like the auto industry. Remember in the 1970s when Congress and the regulators required higher CAFE standards and new tailpipe emissions requirements? As a result, the American auto industry nearly buckled under regulations that clearly favored Asian manufacturers who produced only small cars and very few light-duty trucks and therefore were not as adversely affected as Chrysler, Ford and General Motors. Many thousands of U.S. jobs were wiped out.
Now, at a time when the auto industry is more intensely competitive than ever, Congress may impose a regulatory scheme that will further distort the marketplace, though the old CAFE scheme has an abysmal track record in reducing America's reliance on foreign oil. In 1975, the U.S. imported about 35 percent of its oil. Today, even after nearly 30 years of living under CAFE requirements, more than 70 percent of our oil comes from foreign sources.
Recently, the Senate Commerce Committee voted to raise CAFE standards dramatically to 35 mpg by 2020 with 4 percent annual increases over the next decade -- and to apply the CAFE standards to medium- and heavy-duty trucks with the same 4 percent annual increases in the future. That may look like a good idea on paper, it's a bad idea in practice. If the intent is to cut foreign oil imports and overall oil use, we need to rely on things like biofuels, clean diesels and other alternative fuel technologies. The Senate bill does none of these.
As House Commerce Committee Chairman John Dingell said, "What we need now is some new thinking." He's right. Congress should not pick an arbitrary CAFE level and tell the automakers to figure out how to get there -- we have already seen the unintended consequences that approach can have. That's not a wise approach to energy policy.
Washington policymakers should slow their rush to just "do something." We must reduce our dependency on foreign oil, but not by building on CAFE regulations that wipe out U.S. jobs and undermine the quality of life for millions of Americans.
James H. Burnley was the transportation secretary 1987-1989. He now is a partner in the law firm Venable, LLP.
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Some Democratic senators are touting China's gas mileage law as an example for the USA! Probably those one cylinder 2 hp tricycles are too radical for the USA, so the new full-size sedan will be:
Every so often in our nation's capital, a "don't just stand there, do something" mentality takes over and consumers inevitably suffer the consequences. Well, it's about to happen again as some in Congress rush to try to stop global climate change by setting drastically higher fuel economy standards for motor vehicles. And once again, consumers should beware.
There's an old saying that those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it. Legislating to raise Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standards to between 35 and 40 miles per gallon to respond to growing concern about dependence on foreign oil and global climate change is a good case in point.
Reacting to the gas crisis in the 1970s, Congress established the CAFE program to improve vehicle gas mileage and reduce dependence on foreign oil. It arbitrarily decreed the auto industry should double gas mileage over a decade. Ultimately, the automakers did so, but only because gas prices rose substantially in the late 1970s and early '80s, forcing consumers to buy smaller cars. And it didn't happen without significant adverse consequences for consumers, the industry and its employees.
For example, as a direct result of higher CAFE standards, big family station wagons were regulated out of existence. But large families, farmers, small businesses and those who tow or haul heavy loads still needed vehicles. Thus, minivans, SUVs and extended cab pickups were developed to fill that need, since by law, as light-duty trucks, they are subject to somewhat lower mileage requirements. Consumers no longer had the option of buying a full size station wagon, even though the substitute vehicles yielded little or no fuel savings.
Now some in Congress want to subject those vehicles to a 10-15 mpg raise -- with no thought as to what millions of Americans with a need to tow and haul will do about getting a vehicle that can meet those needs. So the more than 20 million towables -- campers, trailers, RVs, snowmobiles, motorcycles, boats and so forth -- may be consigned to the garage or the backyard.
Regulatory schemes like CAFE can come with a number of unintended consequences -- things like putting smaller, sometimes less-safe vehicles on the road; pricing some vehicles beyond the reach of many Americans; and artificially creating winners and losers in a highly competitive environment like the auto industry. Remember in the 1970s when Congress and the regulators required higher CAFE standards and new tailpipe emissions requirements? As a result, the American auto industry nearly buckled under regulations that clearly favored Asian manufacturers who produced only small cars and very few light-duty trucks and therefore were not as adversely affected as Chrysler, Ford and General Motors. Many thousands of U.S. jobs were wiped out.
Now, at a time when the auto industry is more intensely competitive than ever, Congress may impose a regulatory scheme that will further distort the marketplace, though the old CAFE scheme has an abysmal track record in reducing America's reliance on foreign oil. In 1975, the U.S. imported about 35 percent of its oil. Today, even after nearly 30 years of living under CAFE requirements, more than 70 percent of our oil comes from foreign sources.
Recently, the Senate Commerce Committee voted to raise CAFE standards dramatically to 35 mpg by 2020 with 4 percent annual increases over the next decade -- and to apply the CAFE standards to medium- and heavy-duty trucks with the same 4 percent annual increases in the future. That may look like a good idea on paper, it's a bad idea in practice. If the intent is to cut foreign oil imports and overall oil use, we need to rely on things like biofuels, clean diesels and other alternative fuel technologies. The Senate bill does none of these.
As House Commerce Committee Chairman John Dingell said, "What we need now is some new thinking." He's right. Congress should not pick an arbitrary CAFE level and tell the automakers to figure out how to get there -- we have already seen the unintended consequences that approach can have. That's not a wise approach to energy policy.
Washington policymakers should slow their rush to just "do something." We must reduce our dependency on foreign oil, but not by building on CAFE regulations that wipe out U.S. jobs and undermine the quality of life for millions of Americans.
James H. Burnley was the transportation secretary 1987-1989. He now is a partner in the law firm Venable, LLP.
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I am so thankful that we have a Congress who looks out for our well-being. I don't know what we sheeple would do without them. [xx(] 0 -
I'm not sure why, but when I saw that picture the first thing that flashed into my mind were the Jeepnees in Olongapo City Philippines back in the early 70's.[:D] 0 -
A true 'flashback,' eh?
Another case for the VA!
... War IS hell!
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...Yep, 'ol Freaky Feinstien and the DIMS love CHINA (communist/police state) and it's mandates on personal freedom's, socialism/communism at it's finest!...[;)]
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Look closely, what the heck is pulling that junkit, a cow??? 0 -
cant be a jeepnie, no jeep! and no picture of the virgin mary painted on the hood.
oye! para dito! delawa, sukle-oh. [8D]0 -
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Most of that c&p is hogwash.
"For example, as a direct result of higher CAFE standards, big family station wagons were regulated out of existence. But large families, farmers, small businesses and those who tow or haul heavy loads still needed vehicles. Thus, minivans, SUVs and extended cab pickups were developed to fill that need, since by law, as light-duty trucks, they are subject to somewhat lower mileage requirements. Consumers no longer had the option of buying a full size station wagon, even though the substitute vehicles yielded little or no fuel savings."
I get my hauling and towing done with an unregulated '75 RamCharger 4X4 with a stick and a 440 - 12 MPG, and my towing with a '90 Ford F-Superduty dually 460 - 7MPG, when towing. The Ford has 70,000 miles on it.
I only drive them when I need to tow or haul, or head up into the Coast Range to get muddy.
The rest of the time my family drives compacts with high fuel economy - from a 2002 Subaru wagon, through a couple of Jettas, and my driver , a 2004 Sentra - 40 MPG. Also have a 2005 (ugly)Scion - 42 MPG.
This is a shrill, hysterical diatribe trying to advance some unstated agenda. Biofuels can NEVER get to the point of replacing gasoline or diesel, until after the Great Asian Nuclear War
There are alternatives to having a 3/4 Ton truck as a daily driver, if you don't need the truck just to prove your masculinity. Whenever I find myself doing that, I go to town in the BBT (big black truck).
I do not disagree with the idea that we need to quit regulating ourselves to death and punch some holes to get at the oil we already have (by the way, we own Iraq - where is that oil going??).
There is plenty of hard fact available to support the goals that (most of us) we have, without resorting to distortions to prove the points we need to make. The portion I quoted is just full of factual and logical holes.
That only makes us appear stupid and manipulated.
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Sooo... does the lack of response mean I win, or that I'm just so dumb no one will bother with arguing ??
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My God !!
Dennis - did you ever live in Ohio ??
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Bottom one chevy/gmc ?? Top one ???
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The top one is an International, and the bottom one I believe is a Ford. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by HPH
The top one is an International, and the bottom one I believe is a Ford.
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What would they look like with a nice, comfortable sleeper on them ??
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quote:Originally posted by Doug Wilson
What would they look like with a nice, comfortable sleeper on them ??
Doug
In other words you want something like this!
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Think that would haul my horse trailer ??
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The Feds should raise the CAFE standards to 35 mpg. It makes sense. This will cause a huge reduction in our need to import oil.
When I go to the rich neighborhoods in north Atlanta, all I see is housewives blasting around the roads with giant Suburban type vehicles, getting 10 mpg so they can haul a Pekingnese up to the mall.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Doug Wilson
Think that would haul my horse trailer ??
Doug
With a 400hp Cat motor? You better believe it![:D][:D][:D]0 -

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If gas was still a dollar I would snatch that up in a heartbeat.0 -
quote:Originally posted by trc313 
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If gas was still a dollar I would snatch that up in a heartbeat.
[/quote]I seriously doubt you can buy that in a gas motor!
Diesel only![;)]0 -
quote:The Feds should raise the CAFE standards to 35 mpg. It makes sense. This will cause a huge reduction in our need to import oil.
When I go to the rich neighborhoods in north Atlanta, all I see is housewives blasting around the roads with giant Suburban type vehicles, getting 10 mpg so they can haul a Pekingnese up to the mall.
Yeah, and while they are at it, go ahead a outlaw all mags and guns except for single shots, because everybody knows it the first shot that counts. I can't believe someone would post what you did. Who cares what the rich soccer moms in Atlanta drive and who cares what they haul. This is a free country. If you have the money and the means drive what you want. Let me guess...you ride a bike or take mass transit everywhere you go. Right? Unless you put your money where your mouth is...0 -
quote:Originally posted by iluvguns
quote:The Feds should raise the CAFE standards to 35 mpg. It makes sense. This will cause a huge reduction in our need to import oil.
When I go to the rich neighborhoods in north Atlanta, all I see is housewives blasting around the roads with giant Suburban type vehicles, getting 10 mpg so they can haul a Pekingnese up to the mall.
Yeah, and while they are at it, go ahead a outlaw all mags and guns except for single shots, because everybody knows it the first shot that counts. I can't believe someone would post what you did. Who cares what the rich soccer moms in Atlanta drive and who cares what they haul. This is a free country. If you have the money and the means drive what you want. Let me guess...you ride a bike or take mass transit everywhere you go. Right? Unless you put your money where your mouth is...
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I like my gas hog Bronco! I get 16 mpg and don't really care about getting any better!
And if you get your little 35mpg rice burner in front of me I'll drive over the top of it![;)]0 -
If you do, keep looking in your rear view for a BBT.
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Old-Colts
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quote:Originally posted by iluvguns
I am so thankful that we have a Congress who looks out for our well-being. I don't know what we sheeple would do without them. [xx(]
I guess they would just have rights?0 -
wull my ford excursion is getting 18 mpg with the 6L powerstroke didnt think it would get the good but is[:D] 0 -
Zipman, your a perfect example of how Americans need to be regulated by a government that knows what is best for you. You obviously do not know that the economy environment is more important than your personal wants, desires, and pursuits of happiness. 0 -
quote:Captplaid:
Zipman, your a perfect example of how Americans need to be regulated by a government that knows what is best for you. You obviously do not know that the economy environment is more important than your personal wants, desires, and pursuits of happiness.
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quote:Originally posted by git_r_done
quote:Originally posted by iluvguns
quote:The Feds should raise the CAFE standards to 35 mpg. It makes sense. This will cause a huge reduction in our need to import oil.
When I go to the rich neighborhoods in north Atlanta, all I see is housewives blasting around the roads with giant Suburban type vehicles, getting 10 mpg so they can haul a Pekingnese up to the mall.
Yeah, and while they are at it, go ahead a outlaw all mags and guns except for single shots, because everybody knows it the first shot that counts. I can't believe someone would post what you did. Who cares what the rich soccer moms in Atlanta drive and who cares what they haul. This is a free country. If you have the money and the means drive what you want. Let me guess...you ride a bike or take mass transit everywhere you go. Right? Unless you put your money where your mouth is...
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I like my gas hog Bronco! I get 16 mpg and don't really care about getting any better!
And if you get your little 35mpg rice burner in front of me I'll drive over the top of it![;)]
ha! my Bonneville gets nearly twice that fuel econ, and carries as many passengers as your Bronco in much greater comfort. Furthermore it runs circles around those underpowered rice-burners.
I don't understand how vehicles that look like miniature school busses (SUVs) became "cool" [xx(]0 -
huh?
since when did those gay-looking rollover machines become a symbol of America?
muscle cars and big sedans will always have that spot, SUVs are just a temporary retarded fetish0 -
quote:Originally posted by zipperzap
quote:Captplaid:
Zipman, your a perfect example of how Americans need to be regulated by a government that knows what is best for you. You obviously do not know that the economy environment is more important than your personal wants, desires, and pursuits of happiness.
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OK maybe somebody needs to tell Feinstien IT'S THE ECONOMY, STUPID!0
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