Which .308?
Alright fellas, which .308 should I go with? Need to have something to go along side of/replace my Ruger M77 Ultralight .308(decent little hunting rifle, just want something a little more accurate) It is between the following:
1.Savage 110FP--20 in. heavy barrel w/ accu-trigger
2.Remington 700 SPS Varmint--26 in. heavy barrel
I'm also open to other suggestions, but I am dead-set on the caliber. If you know me I am a big fan of the .308.Thanks in advance,
Jon
1.Savage 110FP--20 in. heavy barrel w/ accu-trigger
2.Remington 700 SPS Varmint--26 in. heavy barrel
I'm also open to other suggestions, but I am dead-set on the caliber. If you know me I am a big fan of the .308.Thanks in advance,
Jon
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I'm confused by your comments- You have an ultra light M77 and you want something a little more accurate, but apparently still to be used as a "hunting" rifle and so you're considering a couple rifles more suited to target or varmint shooting. Seems to me, if you wanted a 308 that was a little more accurate than the Ruger and still wanted it to be handy enough for carrying afield, you might consider something like a M700 Mountain Rifle, or similar design. 0 -
all else being equal, go with the longer barrel. More velocity and better accuracy. 0 -
Ray B,
I am looking at getting a heavy-barrel for varmint and target purposes, but also may use the rifle here and there for deer hunting when I am "sitting". Not looking for a deer hunting rifle, the Ultralight and a few other guns I have will work just fine for that. Sorry about the confusion.
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You can not go wrong with a savage, great rifles and very accurate. however saying that the remington is a better made rifle, it's not any more accurate, just better made 0 -
i like my Howa but i dont know if they make it in .308 0 -
I like the howa design on gun broker there must be 40 is 308 not all heavy barrels though. Run you somewhere in between the savage and the remington. 0 -
never go wrong with a remington 700 0 -
quote:Originally posted by nemesisenforcer
all else being equal, go with the longer barrel. More velocity and better accuracy.
If your talking about rifles, longer BBl's are NOT more accurate than shorter BBL's.0 -
I always thought anything less than a 22" barrel was not recommended for a target gun, especially in something like 308.
I don't see any Savage's built with a 20" bbl.
What is your price range?0 -
So you already have a .308 but want another one? A heavy barreled rifle is no fun to deer hunt with. You need 2 guns.[:p] 0 -
bbl length is about velocity not accuracy. 0 -
you're going to be carrying it around and poking through brush with it. don't get a 26" barrel. 0 -
Savage,,,I own 3 of them and everyone is a tack driver plus the price is right on them,,they dont cost so much you hate to take them to the field in fear they may get scratched.. 0 -
I'm taking a hard look at a used Steyr H.B. Tactical in 308 .
I've shot other Steyr rifles and liked them . Although you'd have to dig a little deeper into your pockets .
I also like the remington 700 that JustC mentioned .
Not sure why I'm not a Savage fan . Hear they are one of the best out of the box shooting guns you can buy and price is rather attractive also .
Ahh........the decisions men face .
Tis good to be a man......[^]
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quote:Originally posted by HeavyBarrel
bbl length is about velocity not accuracy.
Velocity is a product of numerous variables.
Powder burn rate, bbl length, caliber, BC, etc.0 -
You never mention what accuracy means to you?
What kind of accuracy are you satidfied with and what is your lightweight Ruger getting?
Accuracy means different things to different people.
to some it means "Hitting a pie plate with 3 rounds at 100yards"
to others it means "ragged one hole group with 5 rounds at 100 yards"
So what are you looking to achieve?0 -
Happiness is a ragged one hole, 5 shot group at 100 yds.[:)] 0 -
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do you reload for the 308 you currently have or buy over the counter ammo?
I have the same m77 but in 300 win and at 40 bucks a box for bullets and to have them shoot like Shat. i started reloading to no avale, finally i found a Lee Factory crimp die Tightened up the patterns suggnidantly. That Rifle will shoot better than is humanly possible.0 -
There is nothing wrong with the Savage, but given a choice between the two, I'd always pick the Remington. 0 -
Accuracy is a function of barrel length, with open sights. The term used is "sight radius".
Doug0 -
You may want to look into the Tikka as well. They make a variety of different models and as far as factory triggers and bolt smoothness go, I have yet to find better right out of the box. Plus every one that I have seen has been sub-MOA out of the box. 0 -
quote:Velocity is a product of numerous variables.
Powder burn rate, bbl length, caliber, BC, etc.
I would disagree with the assertion that BC has any bearing on MUZZLE velocity.
Downrange velocity yes, but not at the muzzle.
As to the original question, I'll recount a bit of recent history.
Some short number of years ago, John Lazzeroni, velocity and accuracy fanatic, commissioned two rifle manufacturers to chamber firearms for two of his high velocity proprietary cartridges.
As a result, Sako chambered theirs for the .308 Warbird and Savage chambered theirs for the short action .308 Patriot.
Remington was not chosen to be so chambered.
These two rifles could be considered to be at opposite ends of the cost spectrum for production rifles, with Sako at the high end and Savage at the lower end.
It goes without saying that Savage bolt guns were probably not selected for their beauty, but for the fact that they just plain shoot at a level way beyond their price point.0 -
quote:Originally posted by cubslover
quote:Originally posted by HeavyBarrel
bbl length is about velocity not accuracy.
Velocity is a product of numerous variables.
Powder burn rate, bbl length, caliber, BC, etc.
Yea, I am quite aware, not really the argument...........anyway hope your CUBS do well this year.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Doug Wilson
Accuracy is a function of barrel length, with open sights. The term used is "sight radius".
Doug
Yea, preety much everyone knows that term, we are talking about how accurate a bbl can be, not the shooter.0 -
In a .308 it depends how much you want to spend. I HAD a couple of Ruger HB's and they shot somewhat accurate till you shoot a Remington PSS or Steyr tactical. Another suggestion is the FN HB .308. It outshot a variety of bolt guns when the FBI tested them. You may also want an external box magazine. 0 -
Cant go wrong with a savage. 0 -
Try the Kimber 84M, I got one and get 5/8" groups at a hundred. Light too. Rem has been having problems of late (last one I built on everything was crooked-from the barrel to action to the bolt head were all at diff angles, and not by a little, and only one locking lug was in contact with its locking surface). Could these kind of problems be why Rem just sold (and behind their debt)?
Lance0 -
Savage.
You'll never regret the Accu-trigger. I wish my 111 had it. It's great.0 -
#1 Ruger. 0 -
My Ruger .308 will shoot 2" groups at best at 100 yards. I have been trying factory ammo and handloading for it since I got it as my first hunting rifle almost 10 years ago. I will never get rid of it because it was my first rifle and given to me by my father. 2" groups are good and "fine" for hunting around here, but I have shot many groups around or a little under an inch with many other rifles and this is what I am looking for. I am 100% sure I want a heavy barrel so anything with a regular barrel is out, but I am still considering anything else. Like I said, I am not worried about barrel length because this will rarely be used as a deer rifle, mainly target shooting and a little varmint exterminating. That is why I am thinking about getting the 26" barrrel. By the way, thanks for all of the replies fellas and keep em' coming[:D]
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