Illinois, again....(sigh)
ISRA Alert
Illinois State Senate Passes Magazine Ban!
Call Your State Representative Today!
On Wednesday, May 9, the Illinois State Senate passed Senate Bill 1007, which bans the manufacture, possession, delivery, sale, and purchase of standard capacity ammunition magazines capable of holding more than ten (10) cartridges. This bill is worded so broadly that it would also ban certain firearms, such as some Henry rifles, which have attached tubular magazines capable of holding more than ten rounds of ammunition. This lever-action rifle, whose design dates back to the 1860s, would be prohibited under SB 1007, making this bill far more than a bad magazine ban.
SB 1007, introduced by former gun-ban lobbyist and current Senator, Dan Kotowski (D-33), is headed to the House, which could take it up at any time.
If Illinois is capable of limiting ammunition magazines to ten (10) rounds, they will limit it to five (5), and they will keep on limiting our Right to Keep and Bear Arms until there is nothing left. And if they ban certain lever-action rifles, semi-automatics will certainly be next.
It is critical that you call your State Representative, immediately, and urge him or her to oppose SB 1007.
The Illinois House of Representatives can be contacted at (217) 782-8223.
Illinois State Senate Passes Magazine Ban!
Call Your State Representative Today!
On Wednesday, May 9, the Illinois State Senate passed Senate Bill 1007, which bans the manufacture, possession, delivery, sale, and purchase of standard capacity ammunition magazines capable of holding more than ten (10) cartridges. This bill is worded so broadly that it would also ban certain firearms, such as some Henry rifles, which have attached tubular magazines capable of holding more than ten rounds of ammunition. This lever-action rifle, whose design dates back to the 1860s, would be prohibited under SB 1007, making this bill far more than a bad magazine ban.
SB 1007, introduced by former gun-ban lobbyist and current Senator, Dan Kotowski (D-33), is headed to the House, which could take it up at any time.
If Illinois is capable of limiting ammunition magazines to ten (10) rounds, they will limit it to five (5), and they will keep on limiting our Right to Keep and Bear Arms until there is nothing left. And if they ban certain lever-action rifles, semi-automatics will certainly be next.
It is critical that you call your State Representative, immediately, and urge him or her to oppose SB 1007.
The Illinois House of Representatives can be contacted at (217) 782-8223.
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Another New York City in the making! LA will be next, SanFran already tried to outlaw guns but that authority lies with the state in CA as it does in Oregon.
States need to pass laws which state that cities do not have the authority to regulate firearms, only the state has that authority.
Otherwise you have 400 different rules within a state.0 -
I love being in missouri
giveaway time?0 -
quote:LA will be next
CA already has a ban on mags exceeding 10 rounds0 -
If Mike Madigan does not bury this bill, I will never consider voting for his daughter as Governor.
Man that sounds like a stupid statement I just typed. Shows how screwed up Illinois politics is. Madigan and the House is our only chance. Madigan does not like Blago or Emil Jones. He might bury this bill.0 -
quote:Originally posted by sig232
States need to pass laws which state that cities do not have the authority to regulate firearms, only the state has that authority.
Otherwise you have 400 different rules within a state.
They just did that here in Ohio. Cincinnati, where I go to school, used to have a de facto handgun ban (all semiautomatic firearms were banned). Now we can own anything we want. Hopefully more states will follow suit.0 -
Can't the citizens of Illinois ban together and sue their state for all those illegal gun laws? 0 -
Just another reason Im no longer a resident of the wonderfull commie land of Illusion (illinois)...I luv Tn !!!!!!!
Thanks !!!
d.a.stearns
Gunsmith / LEO
Niota , Tn0 -
Beat you to it:
http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2461490 -
...Didn't see that one vess. The wife was on a rant last night. She wants out of this craphole of a state right now. I'd rather win this fight than run from it, but I fear it's already lost.
...To you in free states, I say to you what the shooters in England and Australia say to U.S. shooters: "Don't let this happen to you."0 -
quote:Originally posted by tapwater
...Didn't see that one vess. The wife was on a rant last night. She wants out of this craphole of a state right now. I'd rather win this fight than run from it, but I fear it's already lost.
...To you in free states, I say to you what the shooters in England and Australia say to U.S. shooters: "Don't let this happen to you."
Yeah, tap, I'm with you. Unfortunately, it would not be easy for me to transfer jobs. I am kind of 'stuck' here, for now, unless I want a major change. I have a lot invested in where I'm at to leave just yet. But we'll be heading for the hills too, just as soon as we can.
I just can't understand this state. People really don't care who their governor is here, much less what their agenda is. A small minority votes him back in and now all areas beyond Chicago will be pi$$ed on for another 4 years.
It goes beyond the gun issue. So much importance is put on Chicago that the rest of the state doesn't matter. I get a kick out of that liberal station 720 WGN when they do a news story on Blago.
Every time, at the end of the story, they have to make a brief comment on how mayor Daley feels on the issue and thinks they (Springfield) needs to do. Over state issues. Not Chicago issues.
Like the tax plan that Blago proposed that got shot down 107-0. They had to let us know that "Mayor Daley feels they should compromise."
I DONT CARE how mayor Daley feels on anything. He's an a-hole and doesn't apply to me. At least Chicago has another station that recognizes that.
Yeah, this place is a s### hole.0 -
We can't do anything because the republicans are as corrupt as the democrats. In this state you have to vote for the individual because the parties are totally awful. Sen. leader Madigan is unpredictable but not bad. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by sarge_3ad
Can't the citizens of Illinois ban together and sue their state for all those illegal gun laws?
Yes they could do that and if enough hunters, gun owners, gun mfg joined the lawsuit the cost would not be that high to each individual and the publicity might change things.
If nobody attacks back they will just keep taking away more rights each year. WAKE UP ILLINOIS!!!!!!![?][?][?]0 -
And I am suppose to feel sorry for you why???/// 0 -
quote:Originally posted by vess1
quote:Originally posted by tapwater
...Didn't see that one vess. The wife was on a rant last night. She wants out of this craphole of a state right now. I'd rather win this fight than run from it, but I fear it's already lost.
...To you in free states, I say to you what the shooters in England and Australia say to U.S. shooters: "Don't let this happen to you."
Yeah, tap, I'm with you. Unfortunately, it would not be easy for me to transfer jobs. I am kind of 'stuck' here, for now, unless I want a major change. I have a lot invested in where I'm at to leave just yet. But we'll be heading for the hills too, just as soon as we can.
I just can't understand this state. People really don't care who their governor is here, much less what their agenda is. A small minority votes him back in and now all areas beyond Chicago will be pi$$ed on for another 4 years.
It goes beyond the gun issue. So much importance is put on Chicago that the rest of the state doesn't matter. I get a kick out of that liberal station 720 WGN when they do a news story on Blago.
Every time, at the end of the story, they have to make a brief comment on how mayor Daley feels on the issue and thinks they (Springfield) needs to do. Over state issues. Not Chicago issues.
Like the tax plan that Blago proposed that got shot down 107-0. They had to let us know that "Mayor Daley feels they should compromise."
I DONT CARE how mayor Daley feels on anything. He's an a-hole and doesn't apply to me. At least Chicago has another station that recognizes that.
Yeah, this place is a s### hole.
I quit listening to WGN 720 a while ago. It used to be a mildly conservative station, but that was a while ago. WLS is better.0 -
This nonsence and the outragous real estate taxes in Illinois will be the two main reasons I leave as soon as I get my years in place for my pension....If Blago does not raid that also. [}:)] 0 -
Williams - the great state of IL will tax your pension when you leave. 0 -
Actually IMRF pensions are Illinois Tax free..... 0 -
quote:Originally posted by William81
This nonsence and the outragous real estate taxes in Illinois will be the two main reasons I leave as soon as I get my years in place for my pension....If Blago does not raid that also. [}:)]
Ditto. There's another Illinois blunder. Illinois' pension fund is the worst funded in the nation. They are also legally obligated to pay it.
Two years ago, they decided to not pay a dime into it at all for a year. Just left it unfunded for an entire year.
Last year it was 60% funded. The IL state pension system is now 40 billion in the hole and getting worse. About 3 times higher than the second worst state. That's not even mentioned by the media with all of our other problems. Nobody knows about it.
Blagojevich wants to sink every real penny we have into schools and health insurance for all of the uninsured which we cannot afford. Both of which does not apply or help me in anyway like everything else he does.
The health insurance plan and sinking the 10 billion dollars into schools was approved before they knew where the money was coming from! Now, he's trying to get the bill passed to raise taxes on businesses which would help pay for it and it was shot down 107-0. So there is no money for the new plans let alone our previous obligations.
I'd be ready for a large income tax hike if you live in IL within the next decade. They can't afford not to because they've gotten us into such a mess. Blago doesn't want to raise income tax or sales tax. He refuses for now. They blame it on previous administrations but they continue to spend without fixing the original problems. Classic state government at it's best. [V]0 -
Getting a bit off topic but here's the point I was trying to make.
An article from business week, June 13, 2005:
"Take Illinois. The fifth-wealthiest state in total income, Illinois nevertheless has a 30-year history of shirking its pension promises. According to an analysis by the Civic Federation, a Chicago research group sponsored by the business community, since 1970 Illinois has not once paid its annual pension bill in full. Over the next 40 years the state will have to contribute $275.1 billion if it is to reach its goal of 90% funding -- and that's presuming no benefit changes are made. Through bull markets, bear markets, and sideways markets, the state has consistently lagged, and over time those delays have become more and more expensive. The culprit: reverse compounding. A pension plan's obligations are determined in part by the expected investment return on its assets. In the case of Illinois, that is 8%. So for every dollar not added to assets in time, the state is effectively borrowing from the pension plan at 8% interest. That's a high price in today's market, where municipal bonds typically pay closer to 6%. Illinois Governor Rod R. Blagojevich says that if the state follows its current spending plan, it will have paid $220 billion in interest before it fills the hole.
After 30 years of the state's procrastination, the pension burden has grown backbreaking. Illinois' five pension funds are $35 billion in the red, (keep in mind this was 2 years ago) a serious shortfall for a state with a general operating budget of $43 billion this year. Illinois owes $2.6 billion this year, and within five years that will reach $4 billion annually. By comparison the state will spend $5.9 billion total on kindergarten through 12th-grade education next year. "If we were a business we wouldn't be in Chapter 11, we'd be in Chapter 13," says Ralph M. Martire, executive director of the Center for Tax & Budget Accountability, a Chicago-based nonprofit think tank. "We'd have to liquidate." Illinois is not a fast-growing state that can hope that future population and tax growth will bail it out. D'Arcy of the University of Illinois calculates that Illinois should be 97%-funded based on the rate of its income growth. Instead, retirement funds are 62%-funded.
The challenge to fixing the state's pension mess is, again, politics. Right now the halls of the state legislature in Springfield are a lobbying battleground between proponents of a plan proposed by the governor to cut benefits for new workers and union-led forces opposed to such a two-tier system. In many ways, the union argument is quite persuasive: State workers in Illinois have perks that are generally in line with or even a bit below those of other state's civil servants. Workers have consistently made their contributions to the pensions -- it's the state that has failed to pay its share. And Illinois has an antiquated tax system that probably is holding revenue down.
Over the years, even as the state failed to pay for existing pension promises, the Springfield politicians have added more. In the past 10 years benefit sweeteners have added $5.8 billion in new benefits, largely through early retirement inducements. And there has been a general creep up in the level of promises made. Today, one-third of Illinois state employees get hazard rates of pension payments originally intended only for state police, according to the governor.
Elected officials are hesitant to ask the rest of their voters to pay for these promises through higher taxes. One primary reason: Outside of government workers, very few employees have these kinds of deals anymore. "Our people at 55 years of age can get 75% to 80% of their salary [as pension], (not me although my job is considered hazardous) and it's a pretty nice salary," says Illinois State Representative Robert S. Molaro, a member of a commission convened by the governor to make recommendations for fixing the pension system. "It will be hard for us to go to the taxpayers and ask them to pay for our pensions with benefits you in the private sector couldn't even dream of."0 -
I understand that the way Illinois law works, such an amendment as Kotowski slapped on SB1007 actually is illegal. You aren't allowed to add an amendment that has nothing to do with the legislation being passed. Of course these traitors will stop at nothing trying to do so. 0 -
Blago and the Democrats didn't raid Chicago's Teachers Union Pension Fund. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Captplaid
Blago and the Democrats didn't raid Chicago's Teachers Union Pension Fund.
No, they're not raiding them, they're just not paying anything into them. It's lumped in with the other 4 pension funds. There's nothing there to raid. It's just like social security. All that's there is a bunch of I.O.Us., with the promise that another generation of state employees will keep it funded, paying the retirees. Only problem with that is, they're working hard to eliminate any pension benefits for future state employees because they can't afford it. So if they get that passed, guess who will be paying the 275 billion?
BTW, there is at least one state agency set up to rip off other state agencies by severely over-charging. Then the excess money gets dumped back into the black hole general fund.
And I guess our lottery proceeds aren't enough to fund the schools anymore. They think they need to spend another 10 BILLION on schools this year. You can only imagine how much of that will be funneled into Chicago and how many other pork projects were tacked on with that bill.0
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