Cops down,,,anti-gunners having a field day
Comment: Lots of media outcries to ban "assualt rifles" after the shooting of 4 officers in Miami. Thanks to the "black man" for causing these problems. So far, ALL drive-bys, murders including these LEO shootings have been committed by blacks. Don't want to sound racist, but its a true fact. The blacks idiolize the AK and USE them to commit crimes. I'm affraid the authorities will ban them.
Assault-weapon attacks on rise in Miami area where officer slain
Posted on Fri, Sep. 14, 2007
By MATT SEDENSKY, Associated Press Writer
MIAMI -- The spray of bullets that killed one Miami-Dade County police officer and hurt three others this week came from something increasingly common on this city's streets.
Once solely found in the hands of soldiers, high-powered assault weapons like the one police said was used in Thursday's attack are becoming the guns of choice for gang members and other violent criminals. And when they are aimed at officers on patrol, there's little authorities can do to escape.
"It's almost like we have water pistols going up against these high-powered rifles," said John Rivera, president of the Dade County Police Benevolent Association. "Our weaponry and our bulletproof vests don't match up to any of those types of weapons."
Federal officials don't compile statistics on the number of crimes involving assault weapons like the AK-47, and local municipalities' numbers across the country are patchwork. But here at least, there are signs it is becoming a major issue.
In 2005, the Miami-Dade Police Department reported two homicides involving an assault rifle; by last year there were 10. That agency covers numerous unincorporated areas in the nation's eighth-largest county, but not the biggest cities, which have their own police forces.
The Miami Police Department said 15 of its 79 homicides last year involved assault weapons, up from the year before. This year, already 12 of the 60 homicides have involved the high-power guns.
"We've noticed an increase in the amount of assault weapons that we've seen on the street and certainly the amount that have been used in murders and other shootings," said Detective Delrish Moss. "And it seems to be increasing every year."
Carlos Baixauli, a Miami-based special agent with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, said the numbers reflect growing availability of the weapons and their elevation to a status symbol among gang members.
"In the early 80s to 90s, it was more common to have a handgun in your waistband and the bigger the caliber, the more powerful you were," Baixauli said. "Now it's escalated to the assault weapons."
Another issue potentially at play is the 2004 expiration of the federal assault weapons ban, 10 years after its passage. The legislation outlawed 19 types of guns, including the semiautomatic AK-47.
Police do not yet know where the 25-year-old suspect in the shooting of the Miami-Dade officers got his weapon. Shawn Sherwin Labeet was found hours later and 30 miles from the crime scene. Police said they shot and killed him after he refused to drop his firearm.
The guns are readily available on streets, Baixauli said, or can be ordered by mail for under $200.
More U.S. police officers were killed while on duty in the first six months of 2007 - 101 - than during any such period since 1978, according to the organization.
To date, there have been 132 officer fatalities this year, compared with 97 at the same time last year.
Assault-weapon attacks on rise in Miami area where officer slain
Posted on Fri, Sep. 14, 2007
By MATT SEDENSKY, Associated Press Writer
MIAMI -- The spray of bullets that killed one Miami-Dade County police officer and hurt three others this week came from something increasingly common on this city's streets.
Once solely found in the hands of soldiers, high-powered assault weapons like the one police said was used in Thursday's attack are becoming the guns of choice for gang members and other violent criminals. And when they are aimed at officers on patrol, there's little authorities can do to escape.
"It's almost like we have water pistols going up against these high-powered rifles," said John Rivera, president of the Dade County Police Benevolent Association. "Our weaponry and our bulletproof vests don't match up to any of those types of weapons."
Federal officials don't compile statistics on the number of crimes involving assault weapons like the AK-47, and local municipalities' numbers across the country are patchwork. But here at least, there are signs it is becoming a major issue.
In 2005, the Miami-Dade Police Department reported two homicides involving an assault rifle; by last year there were 10. That agency covers numerous unincorporated areas in the nation's eighth-largest county, but not the biggest cities, which have their own police forces.
The Miami Police Department said 15 of its 79 homicides last year involved assault weapons, up from the year before. This year, already 12 of the 60 homicides have involved the high-power guns.
"We've noticed an increase in the amount of assault weapons that we've seen on the street and certainly the amount that have been used in murders and other shootings," said Detective Delrish Moss. "And it seems to be increasing every year."
Carlos Baixauli, a Miami-based special agent with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, said the numbers reflect growing availability of the weapons and their elevation to a status symbol among gang members.
"In the early 80s to 90s, it was more common to have a handgun in your waistband and the bigger the caliber, the more powerful you were," Baixauli said. "Now it's escalated to the assault weapons."
Another issue potentially at play is the 2004 expiration of the federal assault weapons ban, 10 years after its passage. The legislation outlawed 19 types of guns, including the semiautomatic AK-47.
Police do not yet know where the 25-year-old suspect in the shooting of the Miami-Dade officers got his weapon. Shawn Sherwin Labeet was found hours later and 30 miles from the crime scene. Police said they shot and killed him after he refused to drop his firearm.
The guns are readily available on streets, Baixauli said, or can be ordered by mail for under $200.
More U.S. police officers were killed while on duty in the first six months of 2007 - 101 - than during any such period since 1978, according to the organization.
To date, there have been 132 officer fatalities this year, compared with 97 at the same time last year.
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May be a "black" problem where you live, but here it's mostly a "hispainic" issue with AK's.
I don't think race has anything to do with it. I think it's purely a criminal thing, so why do they want to take equal fire power away from the common citizen? They just can't realize that doing so leaves us, once again, outgunned by criminals.
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"It's almost like we have water pistols going up against these high-powered rifles," said John Rivera, president of the Dade County Police Benevolent Association.
This guy is a cop. He is supposed to know something about ballistics.
Does Rivera believe the bs he is saying, or is he just ignorant?
I have a bolt action 30-06 that is nearly 100 years old, that is much more of a "high powered" rifle than the AK.
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quote:Originally posted by allen griggs
John Rivera, president of the Dade County PBA.
This guy is a cop. He is supposed to know something about ballistics.
Rivera was on a local talk show this morning. He was spewing the typical anti-gun BS. He was advocating a complete ban of what he called "military automatic rifles". Most of the callers were in favor of such a ban. The host of the show was also in agreement.
I know race should not be a factor but around here, the AK is the favorite weapon of the "boyz in the hood". The media has reported that the killer bought within the last year 4 "assualt rifles" and 2 handguns...with an alias of an identity theft victim that lives in Jacksonville, some +/-6 hours away.
The identity theft victim reported in Dec. 06 that 2 cars were reported registered at the apartment complex where the killer's girlfriend lives and the location of the shootout.
Why did the cops not investigate this back in Dec.?
My wife was a victim of ID theft. The cops were not interested in investigating the theft. Costs us a lot of aggravation, time and money (certified letters and long distance calls) to clear up the mess on her credit report.
IMO, cops need to take the nation wide problem of ID theft more serious. I'm sure now they will. Too bad one officer had to give up his life and 3 others seriously injured because of ID theft.0 -
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quote:Federal officials don't compile statistics on the number of crimes involving assault weapons like the AK-47, and local municipalities' numbers across the country are patchwork. But here at least, there are signs it is becoming a major issue.
Isn't it amazing how stupid "news" reporters think the general public is? Too bad they are correct.0 -
Hay dolfan.... On your way out of MIAMI, would you please bring the AMERICAN FLAG! 0 -
quote:Originally posted by iceracerx
Isn't it amazing how stupid "news" reporters think the general public is? Too bad they are correct.
X-ring!0 -
quote:Originally posted by fishkiller41
Hay dolfan.... On your way out of MIAMI, would you please bring the AMERICAN FLAG! NO WAY. I'm not French! I don't cut & run. I was born here. This is my city. I refuse to concede defeat to the immigrants here.
Old Glory proudly flies in my front yard!0 -
Can someone post the link to the $200.00 AK-47s referred to above. I would like a few since my web sites only show $375.00 for the cheapest ones.
I think if banning is the answer to stopping crimes and death we must consider it. Since cops have been run downed bu cars we will start with banning cars (More than 4 times as many people are killed by cars than guns in the US) Then since 10 times as many people are killed by medical mistakes doctors must be banned, simple math,
Right???
More people are killed by knifes in the US than by firearms so knifes must go. Guess that means steaks are off the grill, no way to cut them
I am pro LE but when cops insist laws are required to protect them from the population at the expense of the safety of law abiding citizens I say they need to find another job.
Being a cop is putting yourself in harm's way.
If you think the population should be easy victims to make your job easier/safer than quit and grow pansies-Pansy
We all know banning assault rifles means law abiding citizens will not have them and criminals still will have them all while cops continue to equip like a army at war with us in the cross fire.
Why won't these people just be honest and ban freedom. That is the ultimate goal
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quote:The guns are readily available on streets, Baixauli said, or can be ordered by mail for under $200.Where? I'd like to see proof of that.
quote:"It's almost like we have water pistols going up against these high-powered rifles," said John Rivera, president of the Dade County Police Benevolent Association. What does it matter what caliber of weapon the police have? The idiot had a rifle, not a bullet-resistant vest.
quote:To date, there have been 132 officer fatalities this year, compared with 97 at the same time last year.Proof not that guns are the problem (because the ban was over 3 years ago), but that, as noted in other sources, illegal immigration is out of hand and the economy is drying up - in other words, a criminal population with no economic recourse but crime... sounds like a combination for more shootings to me.
Get rid of the criminals, not the guns.0 -
the latest stats just came out on police officer fatalities and over half of them were from automobiles, NOT firearms !!! lets ban cars !! 0 -
HEY, This is just like the PIT BULL threads!!! 0 -
quote:Originally posted by dheffley
quote:Originally posted by iceracerx
Isn't it amazing how stupid "news" reporters think the general public is? Too bad they are correct.
X-ring!
NEWSFLASH!!! news reporters ARE the general public! Probably make less $ than the general public.0 -
quote:Originally posted by cartod
HEY, This is just like the PIT BULL threads!!! That's funny but sadly this case will have national consequences.
To my knowledge, this is the only shootout where a LEO was killed and 3 other LEOs were injured by AK fire.
Think about this: The notorious Miami FBI shoot out back in '86 brought changes to the firearms carried by FBI and other LEOs. The .38spc revolver quickly became obsolete. The weapons used by the bad guys were a Mini-14 and a 12ga.
Why do these things always seem to happen in Miami[?][V]
Here's a C&P from that incident to "refresh" memories:
1986 FBI Miami shootout
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
1986 FBI Miami shootout
Location Miami, Florida, USA
Target(s) FBI agents
Date April 11, 1986
Deaths 4
Injured 5
Perpetrator(s) William Russel Matix+ and
Michael Platt+
The FBI Miami shootout was a gun battle that occurred on April 11, 1986 in Miami, Florida between multiple FBI agents and two heavily armed and well-trained suspects. The firefight claimed the lives of special agents Gerald Dove and Benjamin Grogan, as well as the two suspects, William Russel Matix and Michael Platt. To date, it remains the only incident in FBI history wherein two of its agents were killed in the same confrontation. In addition, five other agents were severely injured during the gunfight.
The incident is infamous for a number of well-documented reasons: first, despite outnumbering the suspects 3 to 1, the agents found themselves pinned down by rifle fire.
Secondly, the suspects were not incapacitated by repeated traumatic hits from the agents' standard-issue handguns, and finally, the suspects continued to fight after being shot.0 -
EMM!! Touche'!! "John Rivera", president of the Dade County Benevolent Association................does that mean he needs help?? Not able to fend for himself??? I am not against helping anyone in need!! But I am against helping anyone who could have helped themselves!! 231 years and counting! GHD 0 -
I think we should all be calling the BATF agent (Carlos Baixauli, a Miami-based special agent with the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives) and ask him to prove the $200.00 by mail claim he makes for the AK's. That is total horseshiit and should not be coming from a agent who is supposed to know and enforce the laws regarding firearms. So how do you find out the number for the Miami branch of the ATFE?
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quote:Originally posted by guns-n-painthorses
So how do you find out the number for the Miami branch of the ATFE?
Here you go. Give'em a call and please, please let us know where to buy those $200 AKs.[:D]
I'd give him a myself BUT for the fact that I have a C&R license and DON'T want to get audited, if you know what I mean.[;)]
Special Agent Carlos A. Baixauli
Public Information Officer
305-597-4800 Office
305-597-4849 Direct
305-423-5183 Cell
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
Miami Field Division
5225 NW 87 Avenue, Suite 300
Miami, FL 33178
305-597-4800
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I will tell you what..The day they band guns, I am going to instantly become a criminal myself....because I WILL NOT BE UNARMED.[:(!] 0 -
forget Miami office, right to D.C. ATFMail@atf.gov
Sirs,
I am writing with concern about the public actions of agent Carlos Baixauli.
As I read the news report of the murder and wounding of four Miami police officers, I was astounded by the quote by agent Baixauli.
Regarding the a.k. 47 used in the shooting, he was quoted as saying...
"The guns are readily available on streets, Baixauli said, or can be ordered by mail for under $200."
I find it very irresponsible that a man in his position should make such an outlandish and untrue statement to the public.
NO modern firearm can be ordered by mail without it being sent to a federally licensed firearms dealer to complete the transfer paperwork and background check, a fact very well knows.
Also if there are A.K.s available for $200 I would certainly like to know where so I can make a rather large profit!
Every LEGITIMATE source I have seen have prices beginning at around $325, plus transfer fee, instant check fee and taxes. Prices on black market items would certainly be much higher!
Also questionable is his use of the over used term "assault weapons".
Anyone who is even a casual shooter knows that "assault weapons" are selective fire automatic military weapons which have been highly regulated for many years and are not normally available to the general public, not visually similar semi-automatic guns which are.
We live in a country built on individual freedom and right to self defense which is threatened daily by many with no experience or knowledge of guns, but a fear of them generated by daily onslaughts by an anti-gun media.
Agent Baixauli is way over the line as a figure of authority spouting outright lies to the press and the public, generating an even higher fear and hysteria among a populace, and fueling a heated race to dis-arm and create victims of the law abiding public in the face of an ever more violent criminal element.
Sincerely,
Keith Drumheller Sr.0
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