Firearms sold in vending machines?
From your friends in the Gun Rights forum...
I think this may be the most poignant gun rights litmus test I have yet encoutered. Those that believe that firearms should be sold out of vending machines may have the purest grasp of the true intention of the Second Amendment.
Where do you stand? Do you support selling firearms out of vending machines?
I think this may be the most poignant gun rights litmus test I have yet encoutered. Those that believe that firearms should be sold out of vending machines may have the purest grasp of the true intention of the Second Amendment.
Where do you stand? Do you support selling firearms out of vending machines?
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no, too many morons with money[;)] 0 -
If South Africa can have them, why can't we? [:(!] 
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Sounds right to me.
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I would just as soon not arm convicted felons, gang bangers and would-be Columbine copy cats quite that easily.
I like that in South Africa you can buy guns from vending machines for coins. Kinda makes me think it might be a pile of road apples.0 -
No concession in the Constitution for any of that He-Dog. Besides-an armed populous would take care of such issues 0 -
You've got some stones posting that in this forum....
That being said...I'm all for it.
Its a simple question really.....Do guns cause crime or do criminals?0 -
Fire arms from vending machines does not sound like a good idea to me.
With respect to that South Africa picture, all that says is that the gungrabbers there have a pretty good marketing campaign. The situation for gun owners in that country is pretty dire.
I am presently selling a Bernardelli .25 acp --looks to be unfired from what I'm told; I'll never see this gun-- in South Africa for the hefty sum of.....$30. And I'm told to expect to wait months for it to sell even at that price. And the reason it goes so cheaply is that in South Africa you may legally own only one handgun. Nobody who's restricted to just one wants a pocket pistol. Sadly, our law won't let me import that little piece.0 -
quote:Originally posted by jabronij3
no, too many morons with money[;)]
Yeah, but anyone willing to ignore gun laws will get their gun with or without vending machine sales.0 -
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
quote:Originally posted by jabronij3
no, too many morons with money[;)]
Yeah, but anyone willing to ignore gun laws will get their gun with or without vending machine sales.
Yep, they will ignore the laws about theft also.0 -
Damn right I'm all for it. I get a kick out of people/experts/scholars "interpreting" the second amendment. "The right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT be infringed" All pretty much fifth grade words there, not open to interpretation. 0 -
Sounds like cheap quality handguns to me. I mean they're being bought out of a vending machine. How good can the quality be?
I think hardware stores next to the Milwaukee drills would be better marketing.0 -
Guns in a Vending Machine, that's silly. We need a vending machine with Tommy Gun drum mags, AR Cleaning Kits, and AK Bandoleers. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by mrseatle
Guns in a Vending Machine, that's silly. We need a vending machine with Tommy Gun drum mags, AR Cleaning Kits, and AK Bandoleers.
Id go for that0 -
I don't know, is there a difference between a right to be able to own and use a firearm, and a right to procure it by any means.
If you have to buy it in person, does that restrict your right to own it or carry it?
Making something illegal to own infriges on your right to keep and bear arms.
Making something illegal to sell thereby makes it nearly impossible to own thereby infringing on your right to keep (ie own) and bear (ie carry/use) arms (ie guns).
I can see some gun sale restrictions that don't limit the guns you can possess and use.
I don't think a 5 day waiting period infringes on keeping and bearing arms. A 5 year waiting period would clearly keep people fromm keeping and bearing arms, so where can you draw the line, is it all or nothing?
As far as I am concerned as long as you can legally procure and keep any type of arm you wish without infringement of the government (ie excessive tax, or your ability to keep it legally being dependant on registration) then it is constitutional.
I don't see waiting periods as unconstitutional, just stupid. The logic of allowing someone to "calm down" is stupid if they alreayd have a gun. No waiting period after your first gun.
Background check, maybe, there are precedends where your actions results in loss of right, but then again the constitution banns bills of attainder...
Right now there is a common goal, and that should be kept in mind, rather than squable about the details. The details are only important if we win controlling power, so right now the focus should be on getting the controlling power, and not on differences between hunters/target shooters etc0 -
quote:Originally posted by CA sucks
I don't think a 5 day waiting period infringes on keeping and bearing arms.
Maybe not, but if you already have a dozen,. why wait for another?
And the one-a-month; if the law was properly enforced, do you think there would be so many straw purchasers? I've heard stories of multiple purchases where the FFL has called the ATF before making the transfer, and the ATF just shrugs ...0 -
quote:Originally posted by WoundedWolf
Guns from vending machines
Are you serious!?!?!? ROTF That's pretty much the most rediculous thing I've heard in a long time. [:D][:D] I thought getting livebait from a vending machine was a little different, but guns? That's a little out there. I'm definitely against it, it would be hard-impossible-to operate it securely.0 -
I see nothing wrong with it, its a criminal that comits a crime not a gun. That being said, south africa has some serious gun laws, and I'd say the S.A pic is bullsnit. 0 -
Looks like it would be a little rough on the finish. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Huntingnerd33
quote:Originally posted by WoundedWolf
Guns from vending machines
Are you serious!?!?!? ROTF That's pretty much the most rediculous thing I've heard in a long time. [:D][:D] I thought getting livebait from a vending machine was a little different, but guns? That's a little out there. I'm definitely against it, it would be hard-impossible-to operate it securely.
Not at all. Merely copy the way anti-gun liberals think. All you have to do is to put a large sign (call it a "gun control sign") on the front of the vending machine. Have the sign say "It is totally and completely against the law for ANY purchases to be made from this machine that are UNLAWFUL!"
You know, such things as people with criminals records, people planning crimes, people underage, people with mental problems, intoxicated people, etc. if they made a purchase of a gun, then they would be BREAKING THE LAW. Thene, (if you are an anti-gun liberal) you can rest easy knowing that sign (consider it the law at work) would prevent ANY unauthorized person from making that purchase. So the guns in the vending machine would be as safe as a baby in a crib. That is IF you believe and think like an anti-gun liberal.0 -
I don't necessarily have a problem with selling them in vending machines, but I don't think I'd want to buy one from a vending machine.
There are a few other things I'd like to see outlawed. Such as the first murder is free and killing two or more people at the same time can get you into serious trouble. Hell, I'd even like to see armed robbery outlawed.
Captplaid, it hasn't been that long since the hardware store was the place you went for a new gun (or a case of dynamite). I still have a Browning Hi-Power I bought at Munford Auto Supply in Munford, Tennessee.0 -
I can recall before Oklahoma city going to southern states and buying dynamite. Can't do that now. 0 -
quote:Where do you stand?
RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE VENDING MACHINE[:D][:D][:D]0 -
quote:Originally posted by Fatboy lives
I can recall before Oklahoma city going to southern states and buying dynamite. Can't do that now.
S-o-o-o-o.............how much of that dynamite do you have on hand?0 -
None of it is left. It was all used for completly legal purposes.quote:Originally posted by tr fox
quote:Originally posted by Fatboy lives
I can recall before Oklahoma city going to southern states and buying dynamite. Can't do that now.
S-o-o-o-o.............how much of that dynamite do you have on hand?0 -
I don't think so.
It would be my luck that I would pay for it and it would get hung up and not fall, then the next guy would get two for the price of one.
I vote for selling them at every convenience and liquor store though.0 -
Sperry
"Maybe not, but if you already have a dozen,. why wait for another?"
as I said:
"The logic of allowing someone to "calm down" is stupid if they alreayd have a gun. No waiting period after your first gun."
I don't like waiting periods, but a 5 day waiting period doesnt interfere with your right to keep and bear arms as I see it, you can still keep and bear arms perfectly fine, the two guns I bought since turning 18 (ithaca 37 clone and 10/22) I still keep and can bear, the 10 days I waited hasn't stopped that. Stupid yes... unconstitutional... maybe.... (10 year, clearly, 10 day... maybe)
And thinking that they CAN legally be sold from a vending machine vs they SHOULD be sold from a vending machine are two different things.
I think everyone here wants everyone to be able to legally own any firearm they wish.
However, everyone here should also hope all gun owners are responsible, and obey proper gun safety.
If I were in the business of selling guns (instead of buying for my own uses), would I want to set up a vending machine even if I could? No. A responsible gun dealer won't sell to suspicious persons. Im not advocating passing a law saying no gun dealer can sell to someone that seems suspicious (aside from being impossibly vague), IM just pointing out there is a difference between what should be legally acceptable, and what a moral individual should find acceptable.
I am strongly against legislating morals. As such I would tentatively give my support towars being legally able to sell guns from a vending machine, and hope the members of the population with enough capital have enough moral guidance not to do so.
There are some people I wouldn't want with guns, but that doesn't mean I want to require a permit for every gun, that means I put enough faith in the morals of the local FFL holders, and enough value in personal freedom, to accept the risk.0 -
You know, that doesn't look like a bad way of selling ammo. Insert credit card press the button and BAMM! A box of 12 ga. slugs drops out.
Safe. Secure. No walk offs. I think it could work in a lot of convenient stores.0 -
Well, anyone who objects to selliing guns out of a vending machine has to admit to supporting at least a low level of gun control. This BTW is not meant to offend, as this statement probably includes me as well.
By the same token, say you have several various firearms loaded in your home. Late a night you hear a loud disturbance at your front porch area and it sounds like several people are trying to break in. Now say you have a single shot rifle, a snub nose 5 shot .32 revolver, a 6 shot .22 revolver, and an AK-47 with a 30 round mag. All these firearms are loaded and ready to go. IF IT MATTERS TO YOU WHICH ONE YOU GRAB on your way to the door, you have just admitted that some guns are more dangerous/deadly than others. Otherwise you would just as happily have grabbed the single shot rifle as you would the AK.
My only point is that maybe we pro-gun people should try and remember this when we find an anti-gun person who seems reasonable enough that it is worth trying to talk to them and reach a reasonable conclusion for us both.0 -
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
By the same token, say you have several various firearms loaded in your home. Late a night you hear a loud disturbance at your front porch area and it sounds like several people are trying to break in. Now say you have a single shot rifle, a snub nose 5 shot .32 revolver, a 6 shot .22 revolver, and an AK-47 with a 30 round mag. All these firearms are loaded and ready to go. IF IT MATTERS TO YOU WHICH ONE YOU GRAB on your way to the door, you have just admitted that some guns are more dangerous/deadly than others. Otherwise you would just as happily have grabbed the single shot rifle as you would the AK.
I would grab the AK. That's not admitting that it's more dangerous. It's just admitting that it has a higher defensive value in that situation.
Besides, even if one inanimate object could be more dangerous than another, you have to admit that you'd feel safer with the AK in your bedroom when an intruder shows up.0 -
quote:Originally posted by dsmith
quote:Originally posted by tr fox
By the same token, say you have several various firearms loaded in your home. Late a night you hear a loud disturbance at your front porch area and it sounds like several people are trying to break in. Now say you have a single shot rifle, a snub nose 5 shot .32 revolver, a 6 shot .22 revolver, and an AK-47 with a 30 round mag. All these firearms are loaded and ready to go. IF IT MATTERS TO YOU WHICH ONE YOU GRAB on your way to the door, you have just admitted that some guns are more dangerous/deadly than others. Otherwise you would just as happily have grabbed the single shot rifle as you would the AK.
I would grab the AK. That's not admitting that it's more dangerous. It's just admitting that it has a higher defensive value in that situation.
Besides, even if one inanimate object could be more dangerous than another, you have to admit that you'd feel safer with the AK in your bedroom when an intruder shows up.
In red above. That actually means that, at least to the intruder, that particular firearm is more "dangerous" to the intruder.0
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