Burglars murder man, Cops torch safe, steal guns
The father of my daughter's fiancee was murdered by 4 burglars. He walked in on them about noon and never had a chance. During the police investigation, (all 4 were captured and have confessed)fire dept. came and torched open $1200.00 safe the burglars were unable to penetrate. All the very expensive guns were removed by the police but the more inexpensive guns were left. It's been over 6 months now and the police keep telling the son that they are running serial numbers and he can't have them yet. He knows I'm retired Federal Agent and evidently wants me to assist him. I advised him a week ago to either hire an attorney or file an affidavit with the local FBI. He said the attorney wanted lots of money and harassed him about how he could prove the expensive guns were in the safe. He's afraid to report the cops for fear of retaliation. I've been retired for 15 years but brainstormed the situation and since they only took the best of the many guns and I can't reason the torching of the safe in the first place, I'm somewhat dumbfounded. I know for sure it does not take 6 months to run serial numbers. The son can prove with records from local dealer guns weren't hot and ownership. This occurred in a coastal Mississippi city and we don't have absurd gun laws or anything. I truly don't know the best route for the young man in dealing with this other than wait a while longer or just personally take him to the FBI office myself and ask them for opinion and assistance. I am wondering also if NRA might be of help and who with NRA could be contacted. WHAT DO YOU THINK OR KNOW ON SUCH MATTERS, all serious opinions greatly appreciated. TKS
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Call: BATF sometimes the enemy is your best friend. 0 -
Call the newspaper. Call the local TV news channel. Get the police chief squirming on camera to explain the situation. Call Bill O'Reilly. Call the state attorney general to investigate. Call the ATF. Call an attorney. After getting the guns back sue the city to recover the attorney's fees. 0 -
Call the local media and find a lawyer who will do it for no money up front.
This is an abomination and only lends more credence to the folks who view the police as our enemies.
These cops are scumbags and in this one case I wouldn't shed a tear if they were hurt or killed in the line of duty.[:(!]0 -
If the information is correct, this just screams WTH? If a bank was robbed does the FD burn open the vault? How about a jewelry store?
Gunsdens, if money is a problem, you can always contact the ACLU in addition to the other avenues listed. It couldn't hurt. This really sounds like unlawful seizure to me.0 -
Any possibility that the young man stole the guns himself??
That might explain his delay in making anything happen.
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You and I both know the cops stole the guns.
Only pressure, never ending pressure will do anything. Call TV reporters, newspapers, FBI, Homeland Security, Your Congressman; both State and Local, call the State police BATFE and the local Sheriff and the Governors office.
To make the calls I just listed will take two day of patient, polite explanation of the problem and the facts to several folks. Follow it up with letters fully explaining FACTS. Send the letters to several layers of officials at the offices.
Sooner or later something good will happen for you but you have to force it to happen or they will keep it buried forever.0 -
File a theft report against the police officers that took them.
Oh wait. He is afraid of retaliation.
There may be NO nice way to get them back.
Does he want them back........or not?
I hope they didn't scratch numbers into the guns.0 -
as much as i hate to say it, the media is probably your best bet 0 -
Assuming this is the full and correct story, the fire department assisted the police department in the theft of the guns.
Unless that is the only lawyer in town, talk to another lawyer. It's not advisable to have an idiot for a lawyer anyway (at any price).
If he's worried about retaliation from the local police, he's going to get that no matter what he does, if he does anything. So, the decision is whether to let the police have the guns and go on with life, or get the guns back.
If he decides to get the guns back, do all of the above. File a theft report with the local police, FBI, BATFE, and anybody else who will take a report. Get a lawyer who doesn't have his head up his ass. Try to get the media involved. It couldn't hurt to try to get the NRA involved, but I have been unimpressed with their performance lately.
Good Luck !0 -
Oh yeah, if they were insured, file a claim. 0 -
Contact the local Internal Affairs dept. that oversees the police dept. If they're doing their jobs, they should always be looking for ways to burn the regulars, and in this one instance, if all you told us is true, it would be justified because it sounds like out and out theft that occurred. 0 -
Ya know if I am going to steal guns I am going to ask for help from the fire department. I would want as many people as possible to know what I am doing. Then I would just take the high dollar guns. After all you cant sell cheap guns at all, anywhere.
This just sounds wrong to me.
Go ask the fire cheif why his crew helped do this. Ask if they got a cut of the take. Find out why some guns were left unsecured.0 -
Local cops did this? Then go to the state cops and have a chat. If they retaliate, then go to the news. 0 -
We had a police chief in
the former town I lived in
who would go to domestic
disputes and take all the
owners guns never to be seen again.
He did this numerous times.
He received M16's and Mp5's
against the Selectmen's orders
and these were never seen again.
I use to go shooting with this
guy and he always told me I he
sell me weapons at a good price
but I always gave him a story.
He finally lost his job and the
authorities took "armfuls" of weapons
from his home (he was involved in his
own domestic dispute) and he was investigated
by the State Police,fbi and ATf only to
slip away from all the heat.
There were cases and cases of 223 and 9mm
in his house with the town's receipt on
them. He was slippery. This isn't second
hand info ,my wife and I knew him, his dirty
deals and the people he told the guns from,
but know one would do anything for some reason.
He insisted on back ground checks for all his officers
but never allowed one on himself.Small towns
and their politics the more you get involved
with the town the more nauseated you get.
Glad his sorry criminal azz is gone even though
I don't live there anymore0
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