Beretta USA or Beretta Italy???
Wondering if anyone knows if there is any "quality" issues between the "made in U.S.A" (mod.J92F300M) and "made in Italy" (mod.JS92F300M) versions of the Beretta 9mm's. I originally ordered the U.S. version throught my dealer. But what he got me was the Italian model (said he couldn't get the U.S. (J92...) model anymore, as his distributor(s) now could only get the Italian (JS92...)version. I could have gotten a U.S. model on online (gunbroker.com of course) but opted to go with my dealer instead. They obviously "look" the same...but are they in quality?
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quote:Originally posted by hilmans444
Wondering if anyone knows if there is any "quality" issues between the "made in U.S.A" (mod.J92F300M) and "made in Italy" (mod.JS92F300M) versions of the Beretta 9mm's. I originally ordered the U.S. version throught my dealer. But what he got me was the Italian model (said he couldn't get the U.S. (J92...) model anymore, as his distributor(s) now could only get the Italian (JS92...)version. I could have gotten a U.S. model on online (gunbroker.com of course) but opted to go with my dealer instead. They obviously "look" the same...but are they in quality?
I would think that the Italian-made one might have seen more attention to detail and better overall quality control simply because my paisons across the big pond are fastidious to begin with and also very proud of the Beretta name and history and wouldn't want to see a goober get out of their factory. I may be wrong of course here but I doubt it.
IMO and as a general statement, Americans no longer take as much care in manufacturing as their European counterparts do because of the sense of urgency created by shrinking profit margins and rising overhead costs. Product shortcomings are now almost anticipated as being inevitable - within the "acceptable percentage" - and dealt with through more customer service after-the-fact. American manufacturers tend to rely on the truly dissatisfied purchaser simply going away quietly.
Two guns I have owned - Kel-Tec and Kahr - epitomize this with good and cooperative customer service on the back end after-the-sale. Neither one arrived NEW in actually serviceable condition and neither proved itself to be truly worthy of the money I spent buying each and trying to get each one to function properly. Unfortunate because both have tremendous potential. But that's just my opinion FWIW.0 -
Slow Hand: Thanks for you reply...very helpful. My concern was 1st QUALITY..and 2nd VALUE. But it sounds like the Italian made models are execellent in both areas. Like a lot of us, I suppose I tend to "go American" if possible...so when the gun came in as an Italian model I had concerns. Thanks again. 0 -
In the U.S., customers are "beta testers" - Microsoft, for example.
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I have closely examined the US 92 and the Italian 92 and the only recognizable differences were the sights and on top of the backstrap there was a slight variation in the milling with the Italian made 92 having a slight concave cut milled and and the US92 having a straight cut milled. The M9 more closely resembled the US made 92.
Other then that they were identical as far as I could see.0 -
I do have a quality issue with as US made Beretta 3032 - frame failure on a Tomcat.
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I really miss Mark because no one could answer a question quite like he could!0 -
The Italian guns are smoother and better fitted. I have owend several of each (4 Italians and 3 American made). I have sold all of the American made ones. 0 -
From: hilmans444 <hilmans@charter.net>
To: Doug Wilson <ThunderboltRanch@msn.com>
Subject: Sent From GunBroker.com Message Forums by hilmans444
Date: Tue, 13 Mar 2007 01:29:49 -0400
>Hello Doug Wilson
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>Thanks for the reply to my posting on GunBroker.com (re: Beretta USA vs. Beretta Italy)...your input was a great help.
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You are wrapped a little tight, aren't you??
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My 86 is Italian and the fit, finish and quality are very good: 
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You guys who own Italian and US made 92s tell me if you can't see the different mill step at the top of the backstrap on the Italian. It is very noticable if you handle them at the same time.
I am looking at an Italian 92 right now.0
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