President Bush and Texas
Can someone please explain to me what this is all about and why it appears the president of the United States is rushing to the aid of this meskins aid? [:0][:0] He didn't rush to the aid of our Border Patrolmen doing their jobs, why is this convicted killer different?
rider
Death Penalty Case Puts Bush and Texas at Odds Over Mexican's Fate
Sunday, October 07, 2007
WASHINGTON - President Bush, who presided over 152 executions as governor of Texas, wants to halt the state's execution of a Mexican national for the brutal killing of two teenage girls.
The case of Jose Ernesto Medellin has become a confusing test of presidential power that the U.S. Supreme Court, which hears the case this week, ultimately will sort out.
The president wants to enforce a decision by the International Court of Justice that found the convictions of Medellin and 50 other Mexican-born prisoners violated their rights to legal help as outlined in the 1963 Vienna Convention.
That is the same court Bush has since said he plans to ignore if it makes similar decisions affecting state criminal laws.
"The president does not agree with the ICJ's interpretation of the Vienna Convention," the administration said in arguments filed with the court. This time, though, the U.S. agreed to abide by the international court's decision because ignoring it would harm American interests abroad, the government said.
Texas argues that neither the international court nor Bush has any say in Medellin's case.
Medellin was born in Mexico, but spent much of his childhood in the United States. He was 18 in June 1993, when he and other members of the Black and Whites gang in Houston encountered two teenage girls on a railroad trestle.
The girls were gang-raped and strangled. Their bodies were found four days later.
Medellin was arrested a few days later. He was told he had a right to remain silent and have a lawyer present, but the police did not tell him that he could request assistance from the Mexican consulate.
Medellin gave a written confession. He was convicted of murder in the course of a sexual assault, a capital offense in Texas. A judge sentenced him to death in October 1994.
Medellin did not raise the lack of assistance from Mexican diplomats during his trial or sentencing. When he did claim his rights had been violated, Texas and federal courts turned him down because he had not objected at his trial. Mexico later sued the United States in the International Court of Justice in The Hague, Netherlands, on behalf of Medellin and 50 other Mexicans on death row in the U.S.
rider
Death Penalty Case Puts Bush and Texas at Odds Over Mexican's Fate
Sunday, October 07, 2007
WASHINGTON - President Bush, who presided over 152 executions as governor of Texas, wants to halt the state's execution of a Mexican national for the brutal killing of two teenage girls.
The case of Jose Ernesto Medellin has become a confusing test of presidential power that the U.S. Supreme Court, which hears the case this week, ultimately will sort out.
The president wants to enforce a decision by the International Court of Justice that found the convictions of Medellin and 50 other Mexican-born prisoners violated their rights to legal help as outlined in the 1963 Vienna Convention.
That is the same court Bush has since said he plans to ignore if it makes similar decisions affecting state criminal laws.
"The president does not agree with the ICJ's interpretation of the Vienna Convention," the administration said in arguments filed with the court. This time, though, the U.S. agreed to abide by the international court's decision because ignoring it would harm American interests abroad, the government said.
Texas argues that neither the international court nor Bush has any say in Medellin's case.
Medellin was born in Mexico, but spent much of his childhood in the United States. He was 18 in June 1993, when he and other members of the Black and Whites gang in Houston encountered two teenage girls on a railroad trestle.
The girls were gang-raped and strangled. Their bodies were found four days later.
Medellin was arrested a few days later. He was told he had a right to remain silent and have a lawyer present, but the police did not tell him that he could request assistance from the Mexican consulate.
Medellin gave a written confession. He was convicted of murder in the course of a sexual assault, a capital offense in Texas. A judge sentenced him to death in October 1994.
Medellin did not raise the lack of assistance from Mexican diplomats during his trial or sentencing. When he did claim his rights had been violated, Texas and federal courts turned him down because he had not objected at his trial. Mexico later sued the United States in the International Court of Justice in The Hague, Netherlands, on behalf of Medellin and 50 other Mexicans on death row in the U.S.
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..Bush loves the idea of amnesty, why the hell he does, I don't know.
...Ive never heard of what you posted on/in any media, news to me and I'd have to doubt it's authenticity until I could see something other than a C & P probably dragged off the net...with NO credit to the articles arthor or publication...[;)]
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Colt.....I forgot to add the website. It was on the Fox news this morning.....here it is. [:)][:)]
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,299917,00.html
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quote:Bush, Texas at odds over death case By MARK SHERMAN, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 30 minutes ago
WASHINGTON - To put it bluntly, Texas wants President Bush to get out of the way of the state's plan to execute a Mexican for the brutal killing of two teenage girls.
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Bush, who presided over 152 executions as governor of Texas, wants to halt the execution of Jose Ernesto Medellin in what has become a confusing test of presidential power that the Supreme Court, which hears the case this week, ultimately will sort out.
The president wants to enforce a decision by the International Court of Justice that found the convictions of Medellin and 50 other Mexican-born prisoners violated their rights to legal help as outlined in the 1963 Vienna Convention.
That is the same court Bush has since said he plans to ignore if it makes similar decisions affecting state criminal laws.
"The president does not agree with the ICJ's interpretation of the Vienna Convention," the administration said in arguments filed with the court. This time, though, the U.S. agreed to abide by the international court's decision because ignoring it would harm American interests abroad, the government said.
Texas argues that neither the international court nor Bush has any say in Medellin's case.
Medellin was born in Mexico but spent much of his childhood in the United States. He was 18 in June 1993, when he and other members of the Black and Whites gang in Houston encountered two teenage girls on a railroad trestle.
The girls were gang-raped and strangled. Their bodies were found four days later.
Medellin was arrested a few days later. He was told he had a right to remain silent and have a lawyer present, but the police did not tell him that he could request assistance from the Mexican consulate.
Medellin gave a written confession. He was convicted of murder in the course of a sexual assault, a capital offense in Texas. A judge sentenced him to death in October 1994.
Medellin did not raise the lack of assistance from Mexican diplomats during his trial or sentencing. When he did claim his rights had been violated, Texas and federal courts turned him down because he had not objected at his trial. Mexico later sued the United States in the International Court of Justice in The Hague on behalf of Medellin and 50 other Mexicans on death row in the U.S
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...Hell, now I guess he's gone to defending them too...[:(!] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by COLT
...Hell, now I guess he's gone to defending them too...[:(!]
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Trouble with the ICJ is that it's the same jurisdiction the crazys want to use to charge US servicemembers in.
Seems the Meskin Consulate/Meskin lawyers want to sue the US over the way Texas handles its' criminal justice system.
"Law" is different in the Nederlands' code for murder and rape.
Time for the Bush Bashers to gripe and whine over something no one has any control over in this country.0 -
quote:Originally posted by rider
A judge sentenced him to death in October 1994.
This "should" have been over with, no later than November 1994. [:(!]0 -
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Bush has been a disappointment. On many issues. 0 -
To all of y'all who voted for him not once, but twice: Bush won - get over it.[}:)] 0 -
Hate to say it. Given the choices out there, this upcoming election. I might would vote for him a third time.[V]quote:Originally posted by ElMuertoMonkey
To all of y'all who voted for him not once, but twice: Bush won - get over it.[}:)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by Wild Okie
Bush has been a disappointment. On many issues.
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This issue is different legally, if not so much politically.
This case concerns certain treaty obligations the United States has when dealing with foreign nationals convicted of crimes in United States. The conditions of the treaty are clear and it seems that by all accounts the Texas courts failed to live up to those obligations by not simply INFORMING the Mexican govt. of what was going on like the treaty mandates they do. Bush isn't riding to the "aid" of anyone on this issue. The treaty protects American citizens overseas with the other signatory states and keeps our govt. abreast of happenings when one of us is suspected or convicted of a crime outside the US.0 -
It's all coming back to the surface to eat us because of Global Warming just like that movie Pleistocene or Omalene or whatever it was.
Soon the big toothy things will be crunching SUVs full of soccer kids and well-dressed passerby on the sidewalks will scream and scream and its all Bush's fault. He was reading My Pet Goat to a bunch of Junior League ninnies when all hell broke loose. Bush has ruined everything. It will take decades and billions and billions of dollars to cleanse the gene pool and make the woods safe for Girl Scouts again.
Thrips, nits, and earwigs. Are you waiting for the Rapture? The world has moved on.0 -
Eminent Domain.
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