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Colt Super
OK.

Persuasive and convincing argument.

I don't believe in God, anymore.

What the hell do I do with the Christmas presents ??

Doug
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  • Marc1301
    Send them to me![:D]
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  • buschmaster
    you can still celebrate christmas. it's fun.
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  • GuvamintCheese
    Festivus Presents.
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  • He Dog
    Road apples! No one has convinced anyone of anything on this point. Those who have faith, have it, and those who do not do not. That is not likely to change by argument.

    When people tell me they have a personal realtionship with a guy who has been dead for 2000 years, I can only wonder what they have been smoking.
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  • Queen of Swords
    quote:Originally posted by He Dog
    Road apples! No one has convinced anyone of anything on this point. Those who have faith, have it, and those who do not do not. That is not likely to change by argument.

    When people tell me they have a personal realtionship with a guy who has been dead for 2000 years, I can only wonder what they have been smoking.


    This often goes along with the attitude that one can do or say whaterer one chooses to toward or against another, but they can flip through the book to find the appropriate verse (notwithstanding the context in which it was written) to justify their actions, or have a "get out of jail free card" because they are "forgiven," as in "I prayed on it and Jesus said He forgives me."
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  • Spider7115
    Doug's having a giveaway! I'm in! [:D]
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  • Oklahoma223
    1 Corinthians 1:18: For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
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  • Don McManus
    Doug:

    I think Oklahoma223 wants your package.

    Don

    edit: My apologies to all. I meant to say he wants your presents.[:I]
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  • Oklahoma223
    quote:Originally posted by Don McManus
    Doug:

    I think Oklahoma223 wants your package.

    Don

    edit: My apologies to all. I meant to say he wants your presents.[:I]


    No thanks, I'm happily married to a beautiful young lady, PRAISE GOD!!!!![:D]
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  • Colt Super
    Don - I KNOW what you meant, Don, Doug.

    Doug
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  • Permanently deleted user
    The partying and giving of gifts during the celebration of the Soltice has been around longer than Christianity. They borrowed christmas from the pagens in order to bring them to their way of belief..

    No where in the bible does it say to celebrate this thing called Christmas. In fact Christmas isnt even mentioned in the bible. It is something man made up..
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  • Colt Super
    Maybe once meant "Christ's Mass" ??

    Doug
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  • Permanently deleted user
    "Christ's Mass" is not in the bible either..
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  • JamesRK
    quote:Originally posted by rcrxs old lady
    This often goes along with the attitude that one can do or say whaterer one chooses to toward or against another, but they can flip through the book to find the appropriate verse (notwithstanding the context in which it was written) to justify their actions, or have a "get out of jail free card" because they are "forgiven," as in "I prayed on it and Jesus said He forgives me."
    When a person says they have prayed for forgiveness, that is an acknowledgement that they know what they did was wrong. Think about it.

    Christians are a lot like real people. Some of us are a real pain in the ass.
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  • JamesRK
    quote:Originally posted by Classic095
    The partying and giving of gifts during the celebration of the Soltice has been around longer than Christianity. They borrowed christmas from the pagens in order to bring them to their way of belief..

    No where in the bible does it say to celebrate this thing called Christmas. In fact Christmas isnt even mentioned in the bible. It is something man made up..

    If what you are saying is Santa Claus, Christmas Trees, Christmas Parties, oyster stuffing and gift giving have nothing to do with Christmas, my response is "I knew that".

    What's your point.
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  • Oklahoma223
    JamesRK PRESIDENT 2008
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  • Permanently deleted user
    Ya got it backward James: Christmas has nothing to do with religion untill they borrowed it from the pagen rituals.. Man made christmas a religious celebration. The early church stole it from others..
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  • rustyh
    quote:Originally posted by Doug Wilson
    OK.

    Persuasive and convincing argument.

    I don't believe in God, anymore.

    What the hell do I do with the Christmas presents ??

    Doug




    I have a friend that was an atheist until he found out they did not get any holidays.......
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  • Sav99
    These conversations never change anyones mind. And quite frankly, I don't really enjoy them much myself. Besides, I don't know of single time that after one of these debates that someone here posted that they just got saved.
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  • MVP
    WHere does Santa fit in all this?
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  • zipperzap
    Feliz Navidad, Patron ... tak'em down to the Home Depot parking lot and give them to the amigos.
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  • mateomasfeo
    quote:Originally posted by Doug Wilson
    OK.

    Persuasive and convincing argument.

    I don't believe in God, anymore.

    What the hell do I do with the Christmas presents ??

    Doug





    Oh, wait, I get it!

    You are being sarcastic!

    [8)]
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  • buschmaster
    quote:Originally posted by Oklahoma223
    For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of Ozzy.
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  • Colt Super
    quote:Originally posted by mateomasfeo
    quote:Originally posted by Doug Wilson
    OK.

    Persuasive and convincing argument.

    I don't believe in God, anymore.

    What the hell do I do with the Christmas presents ??

    Doug





    Oh, wait, I get it!

    You are being sarcastic!

    [8)]


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  • bobski
    why are you getting them anyway? its not your birthday.
    [:o)]
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  • Queen of Swords
    When a person says they have prayed for forgiveness, that is an acknowledgement that they know what they did was wrong. Think about it.

    Sometimes. But wouldn't it be more effective to ask forgiveness from the person who was wronged, or actually show how sorry you are by doing something to effect the situation?
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  • JamesRK
    quote:Originally posted by rcrxs old lady
    When a person says they have prayed for forgiveness, that is an acknowledgement that they know what they did was wrong. Think about it.

    Sometimes. But wouldn't it be more effective to ask forgiveness from the person who was wronged, or actually show how sorry you are by doing something to effect the situation?

    Yes.
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  • JamesRK
    quote:Originally posted by Classic095
    Ya got it backward James: Christmas has nothing to do with religion untill they borrowed it from the pagen rituals.. Man made christmas a religious celebration. The early church stole it from others..

    I guess you could put it that way, but it's not entirely accurate. That would have been a good strategy if the early Christians had been that sophisticated.

    More accurately, a good many of the early Christians were former pagans. When they became Christians they continued some of their pagan practices, and they were incorporated into Christian traditions.

    Nobody really knows when Christ was born. Most likely it was in the Spring, but that is guesswork. It doesn't really matter. 25 December is as good a day as any. "The early Church stole it from others.." Well, not exactly. Not any more that the Jews "stole" Christmas from the Christians when they decided to make Chanukah a bigger Holiday so their children would have something to celebrate around Christmas time, or the guy who invented Quonset "stole" it from the Christians and Jews when he set it up to fall close to Christmas and Chanukah.

    Christmas is both a religious and a secular celebration. Most Christians take part in the secular part of the Holiday, but it doesn't have anything to do with being Christian. i.e., Santa Claus, Christmas Trees, Christmas Parties, oyster stuffing and gift giving. The parts you say the Christians "stole" from the pagans don't belong to the Christians. They just happen to take place at the same time. Last I heard the pagans still have all their celebrations.
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  • tr fox
    quote:Originally posted by rcrxs old lady
    When a person says they have prayed for forgiveness, that is an acknowledgement that they know what they did was wrong. Think about it.

    Sometimes. But wouldn't it be more effective to ask forgiveness from the person who was wronged, or actually show how sorry you are by doing something to effect the situation?




    Yeah, it would be more "effective" but it would be a dumb move. If you ask forgiveness of the person you wronged, you might not get a very pleasent answer. That victim of yours might not only refuse to forgive you but might give you a dose of anger you will not like. In addition, by asking the victim for forgiveness, you just might be confessing to something that they do not know you did. Can't take that chance.

    Plus, when you talk to God, you can come back and claim he said anything you want him to have said. And noone can dare to call you a liar. But if you contact the victim, other people will know, or can know, what was said.
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  • HandgunHTR52
    quote:Originally posted by JamesRK


    Nobody really knows when Christ was born.


    Actually, they have a pretty good guess based on the fact that the Romans kept pretty good records. Remember why Joseph and Mary went to Bethlehem? Because Ceasar Agustus decreed that a census should be taken. It was also the first census while Quirnius was governor of Syria. So, based on this, and taking into account how long it would take to get to Bethlehem from Nazarath, historians can deduce about the time that Jesus was born (give or take a month).
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