Ed Brown-arrested
Back in the news. I'm very thankful this didn't end like RR or Waco.
CONCORD, N.H. (Oct. 5) - A couple convicted of tax evasion who threatened violence if authorities approached them were arrested peacefully at their rural Plainfield home after holing up at the fortress-like compound for months, U.S. Marshals said.
Jim Cole, AP
Ed and Elaine Brown, seen at a June news conference at their Plainfield, N.H., home, were arrested Thursday. The Browns, convicted of tax evasion, had been holed up in their home for months and had vowed to resist arrest.
The big question Thursday night was how authorities managed to take Ed and Elaine Brown into custody without the confrontation they had promised.
U.S. Marshal Stephen Monier, who said repeatedly he would seek a peaceful surrender, planned to explain Friday morning in a news conference at the federal courthouse in Concord.
Ed Brown had warned authorities the authorities wouldn't take him alive: "We either walk out of here free or we die," he said earlier this year.
The Browns, who were turned over to the custody of the U.S. Bureau of Prisons, were convicted on federal tax charges in January and refused to turn themselves in to authorities when they were sentenced in April to five years and three months in prison.
"We had no indication that the Browns intended to voluntarily surrender, so we had to move forward with an operation that promised the safest possible outcome. That day was today," Monier said in a news release Thursday.
Expert observers had praised the authorities' hands-off approach, but patience wore thin for Plainfield's 2,400 residents. During the summer, town selectmen asked Monier to stop the influx of militiamen and other anti-government groups to the Browns' home and to bring the couple to justice.
Last month, authorities arrested four men accused of helping obstruct justice in the Browns' case. Charges ranged from accessory after the fact to possession and use of a firearm in relation to a crime of violence. Authorities also blocked access to a fundraising event on the Browns' property.
Monier said in the news release that since those arrests, "there had been a dip in the number of visitors to the house."
Ed Brown, 65, and his wife, 67, have claimed the federal income tax is not legitimate.
Earlier this year, officials cut power and telephone service in an effort to ratchet up pressure on the couple convicted of scheming to avoid federal income taxes by hiding $1.9 million of income between 1996 and 2003.
The couple's home, on 103 wooded acres, is on an isolated dirt road and includes a turret that offers a 360-degree view of the property and a driveway that is sometimes barricaded with sport utility vehicles.
Heavily armed police surrounded the home in June while they seized commercial property the couple owned in a neighboring town. SWAT teams, military and explosives vehicles marshaled in the tiny town and sparked rumors of a raid.
The Marshals Service said the gathered forces were only for surveillance.
The arrests "will be a relief to everyone in the community," state Agriculture Commissioner Stephen Taylor, a Plainfield resident, said Thursday night. "This has been such a distraction to everybody."
A message left for Elaine Brown's son, David Hatch-Bernier of Worcester, Mass., was not returned Thursday night.
Neighbors of the Browns were relieved to hear the news.
"I think it's great that it happened without incident," said David Grobe, who lives about a quarter of a mile from the Browns. He's a former patient of Elaine Brown, who used to run a dental practice.
Grobe said he noticed "an unusual amount of traffic all of a sudden" passing by the house, about 30 to 40 cars, about the time of the arrests. "There was no real indication that it was official."
Neither he nor neighbor Robert Carpenter said they heard anything unusual. Carpenter said there were no marked cruisers, but a lot of large SUVs. "We called Plainfield Police and they called back and told us what was going on," he said.
Supporters of the Browns' cause called them leaders who were trying to protect their freedom.
"In many ways this was like a stab in the heart," said Mike Chambers, a talk show host on Republic Broadcasting Network, an Internet-based radio program based in Round Rock, Texas that has defended the Browns in the past. "All they said was, 'Show us the law."'
On another Web site, supporter David Ridley of Manchester said Brown supporters should take part in "peaceable protests" at places such as the U.S. District Court.
Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. All active hyperlinks have been inserted by AOL.
CONCORD, N.H. (Oct. 5) - A couple convicted of tax evasion who threatened violence if authorities approached them were arrested peacefully at their rural Plainfield home after holing up at the fortress-like compound for months, U.S. Marshals said.
Jim Cole, AP
Ed and Elaine Brown, seen at a June news conference at their Plainfield, N.H., home, were arrested Thursday. The Browns, convicted of tax evasion, had been holed up in their home for months and had vowed to resist arrest.
The big question Thursday night was how authorities managed to take Ed and Elaine Brown into custody without the confrontation they had promised.
U.S. Marshal Stephen Monier, who said repeatedly he would seek a peaceful surrender, planned to explain Friday morning in a news conference at the federal courthouse in Concord.
Ed Brown had warned authorities the authorities wouldn't take him alive: "We either walk out of here free or we die," he said earlier this year.
The Browns, who were turned over to the custody of the U.S. Bureau of Prisons, were convicted on federal tax charges in January and refused to turn themselves in to authorities when they were sentenced in April to five years and three months in prison.
"We had no indication that the Browns intended to voluntarily surrender, so we had to move forward with an operation that promised the safest possible outcome. That day was today," Monier said in a news release Thursday.
Expert observers had praised the authorities' hands-off approach, but patience wore thin for Plainfield's 2,400 residents. During the summer, town selectmen asked Monier to stop the influx of militiamen and other anti-government groups to the Browns' home and to bring the couple to justice.
Last month, authorities arrested four men accused of helping obstruct justice in the Browns' case. Charges ranged from accessory after the fact to possession and use of a firearm in relation to a crime of violence. Authorities also blocked access to a fundraising event on the Browns' property.
Monier said in the news release that since those arrests, "there had been a dip in the number of visitors to the house."
Ed Brown, 65, and his wife, 67, have claimed the federal income tax is not legitimate.
Earlier this year, officials cut power and telephone service in an effort to ratchet up pressure on the couple convicted of scheming to avoid federal income taxes by hiding $1.9 million of income between 1996 and 2003.
The couple's home, on 103 wooded acres, is on an isolated dirt road and includes a turret that offers a 360-degree view of the property and a driveway that is sometimes barricaded with sport utility vehicles.
Heavily armed police surrounded the home in June while they seized commercial property the couple owned in a neighboring town. SWAT teams, military and explosives vehicles marshaled in the tiny town and sparked rumors of a raid.
The Marshals Service said the gathered forces were only for surveillance.
The arrests "will be a relief to everyone in the community," state Agriculture Commissioner Stephen Taylor, a Plainfield resident, said Thursday night. "This has been such a distraction to everybody."
A message left for Elaine Brown's son, David Hatch-Bernier of Worcester, Mass., was not returned Thursday night.
Neighbors of the Browns were relieved to hear the news.
"I think it's great that it happened without incident," said David Grobe, who lives about a quarter of a mile from the Browns. He's a former patient of Elaine Brown, who used to run a dental practice.
Grobe said he noticed "an unusual amount of traffic all of a sudden" passing by the house, about 30 to 40 cars, about the time of the arrests. "There was no real indication that it was official."
Neither he nor neighbor Robert Carpenter said they heard anything unusual. Carpenter said there were no marked cruisers, but a lot of large SUVs. "We called Plainfield Police and they called back and told us what was going on," he said.
Supporters of the Browns' cause called them leaders who were trying to protect their freedom.
"In many ways this was like a stab in the heart," said Mike Chambers, a talk show host on Republic Broadcasting Network, an Internet-based radio program based in Round Rock, Texas that has defended the Browns in the past. "All they said was, 'Show us the law."'
On another Web site, supporter David Ridley of Manchester said Brown supporters should take part in "peaceable protests" at places such as the U.S. District Court.
Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. The information contained in the AP news report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed without the prior written authority of The Associated Press. All active hyperlinks have been inserted by AOL.
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I to would like to see the law. I believe the Browns are innocent of their crime.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etTMloIUrsU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2WabFrDKxQ&mode=related&search=0 -
the browns are as guilty as illegal aliens.
they, like illegals, want the usa at no cost to themselves.
hid 1.9 million over 7 years?
it isnt like they were hard working low income people. they were rich bums trying to hide profit.0 -
Meanwhile Bobski is a happy Federal Taxpayer.....he's happy about the Federal Government failing it's one sole purpose...to protect the 50 States from invasion.
...and no....just like Social Security was supposed to be optional....there was never a law to collect income tax.
Did you know Ohio was made a State by Act of Congress? They couldn't get them to join the dang union. ...keep digging lots of neat stuff in our history.0 -
quote:Originally posted by cce1302
I'm very thankful this didn't end like RR or Waco.
Agreed.0 -
The rich are never truly hurt, merely inconvenienced occationally 0 -
The Marshals disguised themselves as supporters of the Brown's:
http://www.woai.com/news/national/story.aspx?content_id=4ed9ea91-b343-41ef-9f43-9b0b4a3942dd
Pretty tricky.[:D]0 -
Clever. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by bobski
the browns are as guilty as illegal aliens.
they, like illegals, want the usa at no cost to themselves.
hid 1.9 million over 7 years?
it isnt like they were hard working low income people. they were rich bums trying to hide profit.
That's sad. Why do you think you, or I, or anyone else, working hard for their buck, have to pay federal government a penny on earned income? oh, 'cause _they_ say so, I guess.0 -
Ayn Rand or someone wrote that The only reason we do what the Government says is that they have more men with guns than we do.
Pretty much.
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quote:the browns are as guilty as illegal aliens.
they, like illegals, want the usa at no cost to themselves.
hid 1.9 million over 7 years?
it isnt like they were hard working low income people. they were rich bums trying to hide profit.
Disgusting, uneducated and ignorant comparison.
Please do not offer opinions on such crucial subjects that you have no real understanding of.
So, only poor hard working people have a right to hide money from the illegal IRS?
Making a profit = success. Wonderful concept. It still doesn't give the illegal IRS a right to ANY of your money.
The income tax is illegal and un-constitutional. The government does not have right to the money you earn, and then tell you can keep a portion of it.
There are plenty of other taxes which are legitimate, to support the government. The income tax is what has allowed our government to become the big bloated obnoxious juggernaut that it is.0 -
quote:Originally posted by ObiWan
Meanwhile Bobski is a happy Federal Taxpayer.....he's happy about the Federal Government failing it's one sole purpose...to protect the 50 States from invasion.
...and no....just like Social Security was supposed to be optional....there was never a law to collect income tax.
Did you know Ohio was made a State by Act of Congress? They couldn't get them to join the dang union. ...keep digging lots of neat stuff in our history.
There goes that pesky Constitution getting in the way again.
Section 8. The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes, duties, imposts and excises, to pay the debts and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States; but all duties, imposts and excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
Amendment XVI
The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several states, and without regard to any census or enumeration.
The Federal Government firmly established that it will use force to collect taxes during the George Washington administration.0 -
16th Amendment to the US Constititution....had to be ratified by so many states to be law......dang Ohio wasn't even a State until 1953 when Congress passed an Act to make it a State....how could they have ratified an Amendment...when they weren't even a State?
If Ed Brown was smart he'd have spent 184 days out of the year on Guam......then he'd be exempt from Federal Taxation. Guam can't do much if you don't pay taxes.....their law says you can't go to jail for a debt....no poo.0 -
quote:Originally posted by sarge_3ad
I to would like to see the law. I believe the Browns are innocent of their crime.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=etTMloIUrsU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2WabFrDKxQ&mode=related&search=
Not only that, I believe there was no crime.0 -
quote:Originally posted by bobski
the browns are as guilty as illegal aliens.
they, like illegals, want the usa at no cost to themselves.
hid 1.9 million over 7 years?
it isnt like they were hard working low income people. they were rich bums trying to hide profit.
They weren't hiding anything. And if you think that the income tax is what supports all of the stuff that runs our country, you need to do some more research. The income tax pays interest on the federal debt. Much of this goes directly to the Federal Reserve, who somehow got granted the ability to print money out of nothing, loan it to our government, and charge interest on its payback. Our government has the right and responsibility to print this money debt free.
I am glad the Browns didn't get killed, but they are gonna be in jail for a loooong time. Over a law that doesn't exist.0 -
quote:Originally posted by ObiWan
16th Amendment to the US Constititution....had to be ratified by so many states to be law......dang Ohio wasn't even a State until 1953 when Congress passed an Act to make it a State....how could they have ratified an Amendment...when they weren't even a State?
If Ed Brown was smart he'd have spent 184 days out of the year on Guam......then he'd be exempt from Federal Taxation. Guam can't do much if you don't pay taxes.....their law says you can't go to jail for a debt....no poo.
Ohio became a state in 1803, the XVIth was enacted in 1916.0 -
To get into more detail about the income tax law, even if you accept that it was ratified properly (which many don't) it doesn't apply to 90%+ of Americans. I wish i had the wording of it, but if you read it, you'll see that there are several problems with applying it to individual citizens:
First the definiton of income. Income is corporate profit. Trading your labor for money is a trade, not income. You don't increase the value of anything, you just trade one thing for another.
Secondly, it is not "apportioned" as the law requires.
Thirdly, when it lists who it applies to, it says people working for foreign corporations, or government agencies. That isn't me, and it isn't the Browns, and it isn't most of you.
Don't get suckered into the whole "i pay my income taxes and so does everyone else, so the Browns should have to pay it too." Most of us are not required to pay it. This is a perfect example of why it clearly is wise to pay it. It is about bullying, not any laws.
The Browns aren't doing this for the money, they clearly have plenty of that. They are making a stand for all of us, and i appluad them for that.0 -
I gotta go with Bobski on this one.
If I had made 1.9 million over 7 years, I would have no problem paying my taxes. They should have taken their 1.9 and left the country if they don't want to pay taxes.
Loosers as far as I'm concerned.0 -
Obiwan...
Social Security is optional....All one has to do is opt out....0 -
Taxes are bad.
Crown Royal is good.
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