Water To Gas???
Any truth to this TV report of May 9th???
Water-Powered Cars: Fact or Fiction?
Last Edited: Wednesday, 09 May 2007, 10:54 PM CDT
Created: Wednesday, 09 May 2007, 8:10 PM CDT
Hydrogen-Powered Car (courteousy Hydrogen Powered Technology, Inc.) FOX 26 News
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It's the FOX 26 News story seen around the world, and we continue to get emails about the "water-powered car." A clip of the story is on YouTube, and it's been emailed all over cyberspace. Everyone wants to know.is this for real?
All we can tell you is the inventor says, it is. Denny Klein claims his converted car turns ordinary water into a gas, which mixes with gasoline to boost his mileage by as much as 50-percent.
Skeptics have said Klein's invention is really "electrolysis," which uses electricity to split water molecules into hydrogen and oxygen. The hydrogen can then be burned. But the process is very inefficient.
Klein says his process is "not" electrolysis. It leaves the water molecule intact, creating a whole new gas. His work has been studied by scientists, but nobody knows yet whether it's truly a viable new source of energy.
Water-Powered Cars: Fact or Fiction?
Last Edited: Wednesday, 09 May 2007, 10:54 PM CDT
Created: Wednesday, 09 May 2007, 8:10 PM CDT
Hydrogen-Powered Car (courteousy Hydrogen Powered Technology, Inc.) FOX 26 News
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Videos
It's the FOX 26 News story seen around the world, and we continue to get emails about the "water-powered car." A clip of the story is on YouTube, and it's been emailed all over cyberspace. Everyone wants to know.is this for real?
All we can tell you is the inventor says, it is. Denny Klein claims his converted car turns ordinary water into a gas, which mixes with gasoline to boost his mileage by as much as 50-percent.
Skeptics have said Klein's invention is really "electrolysis," which uses electricity to split water molecules into hydrogen and oxygen. The hydrogen can then be burned. But the process is very inefficient.
Klein says his process is "not" electrolysis. It leaves the water molecule intact, creating a whole new gas. His work has been studied by scientists, but nobody knows yet whether it's truly a viable new source of energy.
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As long as you drink it with plenty of beans,........you will succeed! 0 -
Without breaking down the H2O molecule, the only gas that water forms is steam, which, by the way, is H2O.
Now, mileage and power can be increased by injecting water (and I suppose, steam) into the fuel/air stream, in order to reduce spark knock/detonation. Most of the benefit in doing this is only achieved by increasing the compression ratio, and adding advance to the spark timing. With the knock sensors that are built into most (if not all) new cars today, the amount of power and mileage lost to the nearly instant retarding of the spark when knock is detected, is unnoticed by the user.
Water injection, and water alcohol injection, first saw widespread use in WWII German fighter aircraft.
In the early '60s, GM put water/alcohol injection on two vehicles that I know of: the compact Olds F-85 Jetfire in 1962 & 1963 with the turbo supercharged 215 cubic inch all aluminum V-8 - now used by Rover, and the Corvair Monza air cooled and turbo supercharged flat six.
This was a successful endeavor from a scientific stand point, but a failure in the marketplace, mainly because users would not keep fluid in the system, and the engines would self-destruct.
Later on, as turbo supercharges became more prevalent in the market, the manufacturers eliminated the need for water/alcohol injection by reducing compression ratios (more) and sometimes adding intercoolers - both air-air and air-liquid.
I screwed around with this stuff when I bought a new, 1989 Merkur XR4Ti in 1989, which used a turbo supercharged Pinto engine. This engine was pretty much identical to the Mustang SVO and the Thunderbird Turbo Coupe.
Through the use of water/alcohol injection and an air-to-air intercooler, as well as increased compression, output was increased by roughly 40 percent.
If I could find another of these cars, in mint condition, I'd seriously consider buying it.
So, if the information is correct, I expect that the guy may be using steam injection, created by routing the water across the exhaust manifold(s).
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Absolute BS. See http://www.randi.org /jr/2006-05/052606action.html#i3. As usual, James Randi doesn't miss a beat. Says Randi: Incredible! We are apparently immersed in a scientifically-ignorant culture in which the media can't figure out the simplest of what would have been a grade-school science project for my generation. Go to www.randi.org/media/WaterFuel.wmv and be appalled at what "inventor" Denny Klein is selling to FOX26 News in Clearwater, Florida, via their excited reporter Craig Patrick, as a system that will run a car for 100 miles "fueled" solely by four ounces of water! In the video, a hydrogen torch using "HHO technology" that Klein demonstrates, is described by ridiculous expressions such as, "hotter than the surface of the Sun," and we're told that it takes "only seconds to literally burn a hole through charcoal." Duh! Charcoal burns, dummy! The FOX video shows Klein holding the tip of the welder between his fingers, which, they marvel, "remains cool to the touch." Duh! again. Any of this sort of torch acts the same. The tip is cool because the compressed gas, as it decompresses and exits, makes the metal tip cold. It's only when the mixed gases - hydrogen and oxygen, in this case - burn, that heat is produced, and that happens just beyond the tip. WHERE'S THE MIRACLE HERE? Clearwater's FOX TV tells us, "No other gas will do this." Wrong, juvenile, and na?ve. Add, stupid. We're told, in the FOX video, that "people still have trouble believing him" when Klein tells them that his fuel is water. Small wonder. That water has to first be broken down into hydrogen and oxygen through a method known as electrolysis. That process was discovered back in the 1800s, and it uses more energy than can be gained from it by burning the two components - that's called the Conservation of Energy law, and it hasn't yet been repealed. Cars that run "on water" have been re-invented every few years. Recently there was Steven Horvath in Australia, who sold a lot of stock to losers, Henry Garrett in Texas - in 1935 - and Stanley Meyer, who was convicted of fraud in 1996. Andrija Puharich - who also "discovered" Uri Geller! - Archie Blue, Bob Boyce, Carl Cella, Charles H. Garrett, Daniel Dingel, Hector Pierre Vaes, Nakamatsu Yoshiro, Sam Leslie Leach, Stanley Meyer, and scores of others, all came up with this same insane idea, and all fell on their collective nose. Now, I don't know who Craig Patrick is, nor whether he has a grade-school education, but if FOX26 News thinks they've got a genius on board, they're dreaming. However, Klein will attract investors with this juvenile idea, and I'm sure someone in Washington will spend some of our tax dollars looking into it. Count on it.0 -
Thanks, Sig. I missed the part about the QUANTITY.
If you had spoken a little sooner, I wouldn't have wasted my breathe.
It's all your fault.
Or maybe, Bush's.
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Early turbine(turbojet in particular) engines used water injection to boost thrust for take-off. This was before the advent of turbofan engines, and disappeared as a feature on aircraft in/around the 1960's. This was a more than necessary feature on the early B-52's(pre H models). There are reports of a B-52D that crashed after take-off from Anderson AFB in Guam due to a failure of it's water injection. 0 -
The most amusing part of these kinds of "discoveries" is the predictable reaction of the tinfoil hat brigade members. They are always convinced the discovery is real, is being suppressed by the "Elites", and will be bought up by the oil companies.
Reality is not a consideration for those folks, only paranoia.0 -
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