My Dumb concept #1209
One gas octane rating that satisfies all state air requirements with no special formulation per state
If you need more octane, buy it in a can.
One national price, Coast to Coast-[}:)][:D]
If you need more octane, buy it in a can.
One national price, Coast to Coast-[}:)][:D]
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FrancF - Sounds very similar to "socialism" to me. And if we go that way, I want more of my share, come the redistribution of wealth.
Doug0 -
Far from socialism. A uniform formulation acceptable for all states would significantly reduce manufacturing costs...not that it would be passed on to the consumer...but still a good idea. 0 -
I lived in the States during Nixon's Wage and Price Controls. Very bad idea.
Doug0 -
move to a soviet block country 0 -
you would be paying more in areas where the same grade is not required or needed.
If it was cheaper, we would be doing it0 -
quote:Originally posted by SLING BLADE
move to a soviet block country
But we are already in a heavily regulated country. THe EPA mandates different fuels all over the place. Multiple summer blends raise the costs.0 -
What concerns me are the 1208 things you've come up with prior to this... 0 -
quote:Originally posted by tsavo303
you would be paying more in areas where the same grade is not required or needed.
If it was cheaper, we would be doing it
Now that's comedy! I admire your free market capitalist idealism but especially when it comes to the collection, manufacture, and distribution of any petroleum product the government has jacked that system up.0 -
So if you need octane buy it in a can? Do you know how much that is and what a pain it would be? I use 93 octane and would not want to "settle" on 89 and a can because that's what the gubment said I should use. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Doug Wilson
I lived in the States during Nixon's Wage and Price Controls. Very bad idea.
Doug
Agreed. "One national price, Coast to Coast" is more government control not less. However uniform gas formulation is less government and does not necessarily become Price Controls.0 -
Yup. Get away from ther regional blends and the price would drop. Offering the different octane levels is no problem since that is not a refining process but a blending process.
Wanna add 4 points to your octane on the cheap ? Toluene. Yup. That stuff you can get at the hardware store for $3-$5 a gallon. A little hit of xylene never hurt either. A 10:1 mi on the gas to toluene will work (maybe even a 15:1).
If ya buying your "octane boost" in a can and think it helps, I have some beach front property in Wyoming to sell you.[:D]0 -
But why do we need 92, 89, 87 octane? 95% of the cars and trucks manufactured are designed to run on 87 octane. So what I guess I am asking is why should the west coast pay substantially more for a gallon gas to cover reformulation of two other octane types for summer and winter months that are not really needed when there could be an across the board Fuel/air/octane emissions standard?
seems to work for Propane & (Diesel, I am not sure about.)0 -
Because the standards would be whatever Kalifornia wanted.
And, we don't all want or need to live by rules imposed by a single state.
Doug0 -
quote:why should the west coast pay substantially more for a gallon gas to cover reformulation of two other octane types
Here is CA we do not pay much more for fuel than the rest of the country, what we do pay more for is the state taxes per gallon of gas.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Doug Wilson
Because the standards would be whatever Kalifornia wanted.
Now that would suck! I think you sorta see my point here- people are going to drive no matter what. You and I breath the same air on this planet just like everyone else no matter what. So the question remains
the same, WHY do we need three kinds of gas?0 -
The anti-knock index of gasoline has very little to do with the price differential Franc. What you are probably thinking about is a single gasoline formula for the entire nation and it is simply not possible. Some areas of the country need RFG (Reformulated Gasolines)which are oxygenated to burn cleaner while other need a formulation to work well in extreme heat or extreme cold (summer and winter gasoline blends) and the 85 Octane rating of gasoline sold in the Rockies would lead to severe knocking down at lower altitudes. This country is simply too large for a single blend of gasoline to be workable. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by FrancF
But why do we need 92, 89, 87 octane?
Because I operate a motorcycle that doesn't like to run good on anything lower than 91 octane.0 -
quote:Originally posted by catpealer111
quote:Originally posted by FrancF
But why do we need 92, 89, 87 octane?
Because I operate a motorcycle that doesn't like to run good on anything lower than 91 octane.
Buy race gas like I did for mine, 105 octane the green stuff $4.25 a gallon0 -
quote:Originally posted by FrancF
quote:Originally posted by catpealer111
quote:Originally posted by FrancF
But why do we need 92, 89, 87 octane?
Because I operate a motorcycle that doesn't like to run good on anything lower than 91 octane.
Buy race gas like I did for mine, 105 octane the green stuff $4.25 a gallon
I'd love to drive up to the pump at the airport and fill her up with 100LL avgas.[:D]0 -
quote:Originally posted by kristov
The anti-knock index of gasoline has very little to do with the price differential Franc. What you are probably thinking about is a single gasoline formula for the entire nation and it is simply not possible. Some areas of the country need RFG (Reformulated Gasolines)which are oxygenated to burn cleaner while other need a formulation to work well in extreme heat or extreme cold (summer and winter gasoline blends) and the 85 Octane rating of gasoline sold in the Rockies would lead to severe knocking down at lower altitudes. This country is simply too large for a single blend of gasoline to be workable.
OK lets take that into consideration, I live on the west coast as you know. All my vehicles still work fine when I travel to the sierras with the same gas at 9k feet under extreme conditions at 15 below 0.
Plug in the engine heater and off you go.
I understand what your saying, However newer cars with self adjusting emissions computers counter act that. (To an extent).0 -
FrancF -
Exactly where do you live in Great Britain ??
Doug0
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