45 CAL.
is there a difference between a 45 long colt and a 45 colt or are the both the same[?]
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nomenclature, LC and "colt" are the same round 0 -
There is no such thing as a "LC" or "Long Colt".
If there were, there would need to be a .45 Colt, which would need to be shorter than a .45"Long Colt". or a .45 "Short Colt".
The only caliber in this genre is the .45 Colt.
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quote:Originally posted by Doug Wilson
There is no such thing as a "LC" or "Long Colt".
If there were, there would need to be a .45 Colt, which would need to be shorter than a .45"Long Colt". or a .45 "Short Colt".
The only caliber in this genre is the .45 Colt.
Beg to differ. The name .45 "Long Colt" was given to the .45 Colt to distinguish it from the .45 Schofield (or "Short Colt").0 -
The .45 Schofield was never nomenclatured as the .45 Schofield Colt.
The Schofield was a Smith & Wesson caliber.
Would it be possible for you to refer me to some published work that shows to what you are referring??
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quote:Originally posted by Doug Wilson
There is no such thing as a "LC" or "Long Colt".
If there were, there would need to be a .45 Colt, which would need to be shorter than a .45"Long Colt". or a .45 "Short Colt".
The only caliber in this genre is the .45 Colt.
Doug
just looking at a catalog under Hornady and they list a 45 long colt 255 gr cowboy, also does federal. just wondering what to shoot in my derringer. it says 410 or 45LC0 -
Just because Johnnie jumped off the bridge, does that mean you should??
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How many more times?????????
Jeff0 -
quote:Originally posted by Doug Wilson
Just because Johnnie jumped off the bridge, does that mean you should??
Doug
i dont understand! what does jumping of a bridge have to do with wanting to know what round to use in my derringer. am i correct in understanding that i can use any 45 that is listed in the catalog such as 45 lc, 45 colt, 45 auto ,45 magnum, or 45 gap?0 -
45LC or 45 long colt and 45 colt all the same thing , some people just want to get pissy about what its called and no the 45acp is not the same 0 -
quote:Originally posted by gskyhawk
45LC or 45 long colt and 45 colt all the same thing , some people just want to get pissy about what its called and no the 45acp is not the same
THANKS THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO KNOW. DIDN'T MEAN TO CREATE A PROBLEM [:0]0 -
quote:Originally posted by Doug Wilson
The .45 Schofield was never nomenclatured as the .45 Schofield Colt.
I'm sorry, and this is a rejoinder to my correction of your claim that "There is no such thing as a 'LC' or 'Long Colt'"...why?
I stated how the term "Long Colt" came about, and why. And it has obtained since the late 1800's. I'm afraid you'll have to do your own research. Or not.0 -
No mention of Another Colt Pistol yet? 
(Automatic Colt Pistol)
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I think the Army wanted a 45cal. Smith and Wesson had .44 Russian length cylinders. Sooo, the compromise.
They chambered their top-break for a shortened version of .45's.
Buffalo soldiers needed to know at a glance what box of ammo to get for their guns. Therefore there may have been at one time the distinction of the "longs" to be used for the Colt SAA's.
Were the 45 schofield bullets ever called shorts? Don't know. SAA ammo marked "long"? Not sure, but more likely. Otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion. Best, Joe0 -
quote:Originally posted by jwb267
quote:Originally posted by gskyhawk
45LC or 45 long colt and 45 colt all the same thing , some people just want to get pissy about what its called and no the 45acp is not the same
THANKS THAT'S ALL I WANTED TO KNOW. DIDN'T MEAN TO CREATE A PROBLEM [:0]
You didn't. Some people here just like to stir the pot. Trust me there will be some whom look at this thread and learn something too.0 -
Dear D.W. there was a cartridge listed as 45 auto short. It is listed in the book Cartridges of the world 0 -
To the OP, the 45Colt, 45ColtRevolver and 45LongColt are all the same cartridge, the proper name of which is the 45Colt. There is a fairly new cartridge out called the 45 Cowboy or 45 Special, that can also be safely used in your pistol, as can the 45 Schofield cartridge (the only difference is the shorter case length and lower powder charge)
The others mentioned (45ACP, 45Auto (same cartridge) 45GAP, 45Magnum, 45Auto Short) are for Self Loading handguns, and WON'T work in your pistol. The 455 Webbley cartridges are another "no-go" in your handgun.
One that hasn't been mentioned, and WON'T work in your pistol is the 45AR (Auto Rimmed). This was designed primarly to eliminate the need for "moon clips" in the 1917 S&W revolvers and has a rim that is much thicker than what your pistol has clearance for.0 -
As DWS noted during the 19th century the U.S. Army used two .45 caliber handgun rounds. The first was the .45 Colt for the 1873 SAA revolver and the second was a shorter .45 caliber round for the Schofield revolver. The short ammo would work in either gun but the longer .45 Colt would only fit the SAA so the Army had two ammo designations, Long and Short to set them apart. Eventually this supply headache was solved when they issued only the Short ammo for use in both guns.
The term "Long Colt" was never used by Colt, only the Army more than 100 years ago but it was picked up by the ammo makers and I recall Winchester and Remington ammo in the 1960s with boxes marked Long Colt. A few years ago it became fashionable to get upset when someone said Long Colt.0 -
And I am nothing if not fashionable.
Doug0
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