Quick and possibly not bright question but be nice
Be patient with this question I am a rifle newbie.....
In a previous thread I received great suggestions for a rifle for my son. I had previously indicated a shooting range of 150 to 200 yards. With most shots at about 150. Well I was pretty far off. He shot his first deer today at 250 yards. Perfect heart shot. Dropped it dead. Not a big deer but a great shot. He was using a borrowed 270 I think.
Now the real question. What is more powerful? 30-06 or a 30-30? Where does a 270 fall in this discussion? Are all capable of 200 to 300 yard shots?
Thanks, Rusty
In a previous thread I received great suggestions for a rifle for my son. I had previously indicated a shooting range of 150 to 200 yards. With most shots at about 150. Well I was pretty far off. He shot his first deer today at 250 yards. Perfect heart shot. Dropped it dead. Not a big deer but a great shot. He was using a borrowed 270 I think.
Now the real question. What is more powerful? 30-06 or a 30-30? Where does a 270 fall in this discussion? Are all capable of 200 to 300 yard shots?
Thanks, Rusty
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quote:Originally posted by Jon0322
quote: usually say thats the last mistake this deer ever made then I fire. and they go down.
[:D]Yep.
Jon
Speaking of that has anyone ever had a deer do a backflip right after being shot they tend to do that when I hit them. Im gonna videotape my hunts from now on to catch it on video. I love the 8mm so much though my first shot on a deer with my 8mm killed 2 deer with one shot (didnt see the other one behind the mother) It went straight through her taking with it her heart and lungs and hit the other one in the spine thus killing it as well.0 -
Nice shot. I would be looking for a rifle just like he used as it as it must have fit him. I like a 270 but it has such limited selection of bullets. A 280 and 30-06/308 can have a much larger choice especially when reloaded. My usual procedure is to find what the rifle likes best and just shoot that combo. Enjoy hunting while you can. Oh and one last thought, he/you need more than one gun. 0 -
quote:Zebra
Last time I checked the year is 2007. An 8mm Mauser conjures up images of a Nazi running around in the woods with an antiquated POS?
I could of swore that the 30-06 and .270 were almost as old.
BTW 8mm was created about 1888 (a little before the Nazis)
30-06 about 1906
.270 about 1925
All are old but they have stayed around for a reason, they work.
My Mannlicher (8mm) was made in 1925 and i have yet to have a deer get away. And I don't consider myself a Nazi running around with an antiquated POS.
New doesn't mean it's better, the deer are not tougher today than they were 100 years ago.0 -
The 30-30 is a great deer gun. I use Horaday's Leverevolution with 160 gr spire tip bullets. I hunt only with iron sights, no scopes, no range finders. The round has a muzzle volicity of 2400 fps and at 200 yards has a 0.2" drop. But if you get out there to 300 yards, the drop is more like 12".
Last year.
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get all 3 u know u want to[:D][:D] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by CHEVELLE427
get all 3 u know u want to[:D][:D]
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This is great....I now have too many choices that all make good logical sense to me. I will just have to buy more guns! What a problem to have. Sounds like a plan may be to get a 270 to start add a 30-30 and then a 30-06. Any preference on brand and scopes that will let me get in for $400. I am not afraid of used and does not have to be fancy or popular.
Thanks for all the replies.
Rusty
Additional comments - 270 to build confidence, make it fun and successful. The 30-30 will make him hunt smarter and work a bit more for the shot. The 30-06 for growth to bigger things if desired. Sound reasonable?0 -
I would go with the 270 with 130gr bullets.Plus you said he already got a deer with a 270 and great results. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by frog21
I would go with the 270 with 130gr bullets.Plus you said he already got a deer with a 270 and great results.
You can't argue with results.
The 270/130gr is a great combination for deer. It is NOT a "ground hog" cartridge. It has been killing deer and other medium game for over 75 years. It seems he is comfortable with it, so I would just stick with it.
For a scope, I am very happy with my Bushnell Elite 3200, 3-9x40. Under $200 most places. Not top of the line, but it works well.0 -
RedneckAndy
If you want to get technical, the first of the "30-06" series is the 7.62x64 (both rimmed and rimmless with a thick rim) AKA the 30-01, followed by the 7.62x64 AKA the 30-03 (both the -01 & -03 had longer necks and featured a 220gr bullet). When they decided to go with a 150gr bullet, they decided that the longer neck was no longer necessary, and so shortened the case to what we know today as the 30-06 AKA 30-Govt-1906 AKA 30-06 Springfield (from the Springfield arsenal where it was developed). All of these were derived from the 7mm Mauser cartridge that we faced in the SA war.
Sav99
Crank in enough elevation, and with a operator that knows how to read the wind, the tutty-tutty is certainly capable of killing paper at 1K (but it's more likely the guy was using a 30-40Krag, and the designation got "mis-remembered"), let's face it, they used to train guys to shoot 1K with the 45-70 trap-door Springfield.0 -
30-30,1000 yards=wow,Thanks,Paul 0 -
quote:Originally posted by catpealer111
The 308 could also be considered as a combination of all three options. Maybe.
I surprised no one else has commented on this. I, too, am curious as to where the .308 falls into this debate.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Zebra
quote:Originally posted by Cyclonus
quote:Originally posted by Zebra
The .270 shoots flat and long and is perfect for deer. The 30.06 tears up too much meat in my opinion if that counts.
I guess you would think that 8mm mauser then is too big for deer and ive been using that for years 8mm Mauser when its absolutely positivly gotta stop in its tracks.
Last time I checked the year is 2007. An 8mm Mauser conjures up images of a Nazi running around in the woods with an antiquated POS?
sorry but that's one of the dumbest things i ever heard, and really shows your lack of firearms, history, and knowledge, not only is it dated almost a half a century before the nazi's, the Mauser action is one of the finest ever made, in addition when referring to the 8mm Mauser it is a cartridge like any other, and modern rifles are chambered for it
now i have to go clean my ak-47, mosin nagant, Chinese sks because they are peace time firearms designed for hunting, and target practice[:)]0 -
If I can't be sure of a clean kill,I don't take it. A rookie with ANYTHING at 100+ yards is risky at best. Practice on paper first. If you can't CONSISTANTLY hit a paper plate at that range,Don't practice on deer. A lot can happen to that bullet between you and the deer at that range. Just my .2 cents 0 -
quote:Originally posted by 1911a1fan
quote:Originally posted by Zebra
quote:Originally posted by Cyclonus
quote:Originally posted by Zebra
The .270 shoots flat and long and is perfect for deer. The 30.06 tears up too much meat in my opinion if that counts.
I guess you would think that 8mm mauser then is too big for deer and ive been using that for years 8mm Mauser when its absolutely positivly gotta stop in its tracks.
Last time I checked the year is 2007. An 8mm Mauser conjures up images of a Nazi running around in the woods with an antiquated POS?
sorry but that's one of the dumbest things i ever heard, and really shows your lack of firearms, history, and knowledge, not only is it dated almost a half a century before the nazi's, the Mauser action is one of the finest ever made, in addition when referring to the 8mm Mauser it is a cartridge like any other, and modern rifles are chambered for it
now i have to go clean my ak-47, mosin nagant, Chinese sks because they are peace time firearms designed for hunting, and target practice[:)]
Thank you, 1911. Well put.0 -
Neck the 30/06 down a little more and the 25/06 appears. Now your talking varmits or deer. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Daddie_Tom
If I can't be sure of a clean kill,I don't take it. A rookie with ANYTHING at 100+ yards is risky at best. Practice on paper first. If you can't CONSISTANTLY hit a paper plate at that range,Don't practice on deer. A lot can happen to that bullet between you and the deer at that range. Just my .2 cents
good comments - we regularly practice with pistols. we are doing more rifle practice as well. I agree that hunting is not live practice shooting and should not be treated as such. we see that what we kill gets eaten. another $0.02.0 -
[;)] Also another caliber to consider..7mm-08. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by sav99
quote:Originally posted by Cyclonus
Personally I think the 270 is a groundhog gun. The 30-30 is dwarfed by the 30-06 which is definately the superb cartridge however I have seen 1000 yd shots taken by the 30-30.
Don, the only way you're gonna move a .30-30 1000 yards is if you put it in your car and drive it there.
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quote:Originally posted by rustyh
This is great....I now have too many choices that all make good logical sense to me. I will just have to buy more guns! What a problem to have. Sounds like a plan may be to get a 270 to start add a 30-30 and then a 30-06. Any preference on brand and scopes that will let me get in for $400. I am not afraid of used and does not have to be fancy or popular.
Thanks for all the replies.
Rusty
Additional comments - 270 to build confidence, make it fun and successful. The 30-30 will make him hunt smarter and work a bit more for the shot. The 30-06 for growth to bigger things if desired. Sound reasonable?
Truthfully, once the "confidence" is built -- meaning your kid can really shoot -- there's very little that the '06 will do that the .270 in the hands of a good shot won't. That's my opinion, I know others will differ, and honestly I'm a fan of bigger bullets for any given situation (except small varmints, which is a category all its own), but proper shot placement with a .270 will down any antlered critter on this continent. If there's really ever a need for bigger, I wouldn't take the fairly small step up to the '06, I'd go to something along the lines of a .338 or larger. This is not to underrate the '06 -- it's my favorite cartridge, and I've fired one or two rounds of just a few different ones. I just don't think the .270 is particularly anemic in comparison. The fact your son obviously shoots one well, and at this point probably has great confidence in the round, in my opinion outweighs the issue of the .30-06 being a somewhat more powerful cartridge.
I like the comments on the 8mm Mauser. The same could be said for the 6.5x55 and 7x57 Mauser cartridges. There are more modern and higher-performing cartridges, chambered in flashier, more modern, and indeed even stronger actions than the '98 Mauser and the multitude of rifle systems derived from it. If "new" is what you like or think you need, more power to you. For the vast majority of us, those three pre-1900 rounds, and other oldies like the '06 and the .270, shoot as straight, hard, and far as we'll ever need, and then some. And, as has been said, tearing meat up is more a matter of bullet choice than of caliber.
The .30-30 is far from ideal for the type of shooting implied in your post, unless some of your hunting will be done in wooded country. If we could use centerfire rifles for deer, here in SE Indiana, much of which is wooded and hilly, I'd give serious thought to a '94 Winchester -- but then finish up my .30-06 ('98 Mauser) and/or 6.5x55 ('95 Chilean small ring), in case I ever had to reach out and touch something across a good-sized field.
The .308 and 7mm-08 are excellent cartridges, capable of holding their own with the .270 or .30-06. Same could be (has been) said about the .280 Remington, or (assuming the 7mm-08 passes muster) the 7x57 Mauser. You could pretty much start flipping a coin and eliminating one round after another, and whatever's left in the end would get the job done with flying colors.
We should all be so lucky as to have to make such tough choices. [:D]0 -
Well said Mongrel! 0
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