Should I just quit?
I've been working PT at the Sportsman's Warehouse since March. I do like the job and the extra play money (and discounts). I don't get much time around the house to take care of things or even get much time to hunt. And the thing about the play money, one day of OT at the plant is the same as a two week check from SW. It really doesn't even seem like it's worth it to me.
I work a 3-on, 3-off here at the plant and just came back from my 3 off. I check the schedule and I'll be getting forced in for a 12 OT shift coverage for the next few weeks. I've been catching enough grief from my boss as it is about my availability.
I'm scheduled the 15th at SW, now I just found out I'm also scheduled here for the same day.
Should I just quit and forget about it? Or keep trying to balance the two schedules?
I work a 3-on, 3-off here at the plant and just came back from my 3 off. I check the schedule and I'll be getting forced in for a 12 OT shift coverage for the next few weeks. I've been catching enough grief from my boss as it is about my availability.
I'm scheduled the 15th at SW, now I just found out I'm also scheduled here for the same day.
Should I just quit and forget about it? Or keep trying to balance the two schedules?
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I think its really up to you, if the extra money isnt really worth the hassle then there in lies your answer, ive been picking up an extra 12 hours a week at my job and i love the OT money! 0 -
A few things bug me about what you're saying (not your fault, BTW):
1. Your boss is getting annoyed at your lack of availability.
I quit a career of 15 years over this issue. I got fed up with having to live my life at the whim of my employer. I was putting in six days a week, sometimes 12 hours a day, and being called into my boss's office while being told that I'm not putting in enough hours. This, of course, is after the company laid off a ton of people in an attempt to save money (it wasn't a matter of my being lazy, it was a matter of there not being enough bodies to handle the workload).
And, I was paid salary, I received no overtime.
Your time off is YOUR time. If your job is hourly, and you are expected to work 9-5, then before 9am is your time and after 5pm is your time. OT should be voluntary, not mandatory, and your boss is an asshat for getting upset that you don't want to work OT. If the company is requiring you to work OT, it means that your company does not have enough bodies to carry the workload. Let them hire more people.
2. You like the job, but it isn't worth it to you, because you're not at home and you don't get to do the things you enjoy (hunting).
You have to look out for yourself first. If this is play money, nothing more, then I'd say quit. Not so that you can bust your ass at the plant, but so you can spend time at home and do the things you like to do.
If you have to, cut some corners at home so that you have a little extra money at the end of the month. Most people spend far more than they have to in a given month and can easily cut expenses with little change in lifestyle.
That's just my two cents.0 -
Ultimately the decision is yours to make. Just remember that you ain't going to be here forever, so make sure you get your share of enjoyment out of life. If you really enjoy your job at the SW, then why quit?(it's fun to you right), but if there are other things you would rather be doing then working there why work there?(especially seeing you have a good job already).
Jon0 -
Quit....it will bring happiness back into your life. Beach 0 -
I'm happy with my life. Just not happy with my schedule and boss at SW.
My carrer at the plant is one of the most important aspects of my life. It pays my bills, puts a roof over my head, two new cars and a new motorcycle, all the finer things in life. With my SW check we are putting money away and buying a few things. The OT coming up are for some Audits, and our expansion ($96 million) startup. It's a temporary thing.
As it is right now, I don't get a day off this month. It's fine with me as long as I get to see my wife and spend a little time in the woods.
Jeff, I have given some thought to what you mentioned. It's not that without the SW checks that we can't pay the bills. It's just nice to have that extra cash flow.0 -
Anything that will uncomplicate your life is a positive. The situation as you have described it, has complicated it and will continue to as long as it remains unchanged. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by cubslover
I'm happy with my life. Just not happy with my schedule and boss at SW.
My carrer at the plant is one of the most important aspects of my life. It pays my bills, puts a roof over my head, two new cars and a new motorcycle, all the finer things in life. With my SW check we are putting money away and buying a few things. The OT coming up are for some Audits, and our expansion ($96 million) startup. It's a temporary thing.
As it is right now, I don't get a day off this month. It's fine with me as long as I get to see my wife and spend a little time in the woods.
Jeff, I have given some thought to what you mentioned. It's not that without the SW checks that we can't pay the bills. It's just nice to have that extra cash flow.
Cubs,
I appreciate what you're saying. An employer getting upset over my lack of availability on MY time is one of my pet peeves. If this is a temporary thing, then the plant should take on some temporary help or ask for volunteers. Again, IMO, for an employer to be unhappy because you won't give up your free time to work extra hours for them, paid or not, is simply not right.
I'm in a new position now. I put in extra hours. I'm going to be spending a lot of time in airports, sometimes on weekends, and that cuts into my personal time. But, I'm also at a different point. I am a vice-president, I have an ownership stake, and the company's success and continued growth means that I will come out ahead in the end. At the same time, I don't have to ask for a vacation or time off. I can decide to take a day off and go hunting, etc., whenever I want, so long as it doesn't interfere with a previously-scheduled event that requires my attendance.
On the flip side, I'm always available by e-mail or telephone (company-provided BlackBerry device). That's a double-edged sword -- I can set my own schedule, but I really can't escape.
IMO, putting in the extra hours is a great trade-off in my position. At the same time, I know that so long as I get my work done and I help the company grow, my boss isn't going to be getting upset that I decide to take a day off to go hunting or that I'm not putting in enough hours -- this was one of the things we discussed in the interviewing process.
I also believe that my pet peeve will be one of my strengths in this career. I can't see myself in a position where I'd be torqued off because an employee wants to have a personal life. One of the president's favorite sayings is This company is not designed to break up marriages. If an employee needs to go do something, you go and do it. Family comes first. The company will find a way to get the work done -- all that is asked in return is that you don't abuse the privilege.
We have a temp agency set up to fill needs in our factory. We have had huge orders where we simply don't have the staff. Our production staff is only a handful of people, and the company has had to hire 40+ temps to meet demand when a huge order from a new retailer comes in (Walmart, etc., has systems in place to replenish that don't require huge production jumps, but when we first landed Walmart, we had to provide them with thousands and thousands of units up front which simply weren't on the shelves in the warehouse).
I'm getting a bit off-topic here, so I'll stop. My point, however, is that the company should be respecting your personal time away from the plant, and not getting upset because you won't give up your personal time for them. If you are a hard worker, then a good manager will see value in that, and you should have the employer's respect, not disdain, for having a personal life.
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Jeff, you're a wise man.
The main issue is the fact that Sportsman's Warehouse has a hard time understanding that my CARRER is at the plant.
Spontaneous and sporadic OT is a normal thing. They cannot justify hiring temps and training them to cover just the OT. My department requires 3 months minimum at 60hrs/week training. 2/3 of the people who bid to or get hired for my department cannot grasp it and either quit or disqualify themselves back to their former department.
We have 13 people in my department, running 4 - 3man shifts. 12hrs/day, 3-on, 3-off. The 13th guy is a Vacation Relief. We have probably 45weeks of vacation from the people up here. The Vacation relief covers them.
Sorry, a little off subject. Being a process plant we have quite a few audits and days to PM equipment. They are usually voluntary, but our new boss is a dumba$$ when it comes to this. He waits too long to ask for volunteers, which there are a few who will always come in, and he has to force people in to get it done.
I've emailed the Store manager, telling him what is going on. He is usually pretty understanding when it comes to my OT at the plant. I had warned them before I started there to the OT here at the plant.0 -
quote:Originally posted by cubslover
Jeff, you're a wise man.
The main issue is the fact that Sportsman's Warehouse has a hard time understanding that my CARRER is at the plant.
Spontaneous and sporadic OT is a normal thing. They cannot justify hiring temps and training them to cover just the OT. My department requires 3 months minimum at 60hrs/week training. 2/3 of the people who bid to or get hired for my department cannot grasp it and either quit or disqualify themselves back to their former department.
We have 13 people in my department, running 4 - 3man shifts. 12hrs/day, 3-on, 3-off. The 13th guy is a Vacation Relief. We have probably 45weeks of vacation from the people up here. The Vacation relief covers them.
Sorry, a little off subject. Being a process plant we have quite a few audits and days to PM equipment. They are usually voluntary, but our new boss is a dumba$$ when it comes to this. He waits too long to ask for volunteers, which there are a few who will always come in, and he has to force people in to get it done.
I've emailed the Store manager, telling him what is going on. He is usually pretty understanding when it comes to my OT at the plant. I had warned them before I started there to the OT here at the plant.
Sounds like your boss needs an education in employee-relations and plant management.
I don't envy your position. I would hate to be in a position where I was working two jobs without a flexible schedule. I know people do this all the time, and it is good that you told SW up front that this is a secondary job, not your primary job, and that you have to keep your primary job's schedule.0 -
There is a very old saying, quote:No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other.
It sounds like you are a very conscientious person and that it bothers you (causes stress for you) when there is a conflict between the two. I admire you for that.
It also sounds like you have a great main employer (first job), and that if you take care of that employer, that employer will take care of you.
I would quit the second part-time job. My priorities; wife and family, me, first job, second job. The second job is already causing you problems. I wouldn't let it cause problems with wife and family or first job.
Good luck with whatever you decide!0 -
Quit the SW PT job and take the plant for all you can get. Mo' money and mo' retirement. Simple. 0 -
Cubs,......I will give you another perspective!
I have busted my hump since I was quite young. Since starting my own business over 17 years ago, I was used to working between 50 to 80 hours a week, depending upon the season. Lots of stress, no time for virtually anything fun in my life.
A couple of years ago, I sold off ALL of my residential accounts, and business property, along with most of my light commercial work. Cut everything way back, and simply signed multi-year contracts with a few very large Industrial institutions, that I had taken care of for many years.
I still have to work strange hours, and can get periods of being quite busy, due to a major project.
I am in the middle of one right now, and will be working most of the weekend, and most of that at night!
Here is the catch, and it simply comes down to how you want to approach the future. Everyone feels different about this!
I did my "insane" working when I was younger, when I could handle it, and also lots of saving, and investing.
Due to that, I will be able to retire in a bit over 4 years, at 50, if I so choose.
I am not capable of working 80 hours a week any more, so I am lucky that I did it when I was able.
For the past 2 years, and currently, I usually have plenty of time for fun "activities", and as I said, can have all the time I want in a few years, if that is what I decide.
In a nutshell, what I am saying is,........if one wishes to retire "young", it is better to cover your bases, and bust your hump when you are in the age range that you are now, to your early forties, as the hours will start to get to you about that point,......also your physical abilities will limit what you are capable of.
All depends what your plans for life are, and how you would "like" to live it. Work until you die, doing the minimum, and have plenty of spare time,........or bust hump while you can, and bow out with hopefully plenty of time left before you meet the grim reaper![:D]
It is an individual choice.[;)]0 -
Cubs, It makes me feel ill, but I agree with everything Jeff says. 0 -
Bust a** and get a third job..You are young. Chop.. Chop...[:o)][:o)] 0 -
If I read you correctly you are saying the SW boss is the one having the issues. In that case I am not sure how you were hired but I would lay it out for him. I assume you are like me and do everything (within reason) to be felexable and do a good job at work. Tell your boss basically like you told us. Tell him you enjoy working there, it is fun and you will continue working hard but this IS your second job. Tell him that you do want to continue working there but if it going to create these kinds of headaches you will not be able to continue, and they should hire someone that can pull the hours they are looking for. I have had to do that a few times in the last several years, and all has worked out well. Keep in mind that the second job is not less of a job where calling in sick or not showing up or doing a half ass job is ok, many people think so, it is just extra money and not your bill paying job. 0 -
I'd quit. Balancing two schedules for that much extra money that could be made in overtime pay at the one job isn't worth it. 0 -
Z is right.
Doug0 -
My advice, quit.
You have a beautiful wife waiting for you at home while you make a few bucks and get a measely discount on YOUR toys.
Spend your spare time w/your wife. Build on your relationship.
Give her the quality time she deserves.
Money comes & money goes.0 -
But...
So do wives.
Doug0 -
quote:Originally posted by collector14
There is a very old saying, quote:No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other.
It sounds like you are a very conscientious person and that it bothers you (causes stress for you) when there is a conflict between the two. I admire you for that.
It also sounds like you have a great main employer (first job), and that if you take care of that employer, that employer will take care of you.
I would quit the second part-time job. My priorities; wife and family, me, first job, second job. The second job is already causing you problems. I wouldn't let it cause problems with wife and family or first job.
Good luck with whatever you decide!
I think its time to sit down with the PT employer and have a good old fashioned, "Come To Jesus Meeting!" Since they are not the employer that is important to your support they have to take the back seat.
Explain to them you enjoy working at SW and want to continue but need a flex schedule based on your hours at the primary employer.
Its hard for them to find good solid part time people and they will usually work with you. They don't pay you benefits so you are pure gravy to them once you are fully trained.
My guess is they will work with you as long as they know there are times during the year where your schedule will require some OT at the primary employer. If they play hard ball give them notice.0 -
Sig has the right approach on that one. But if it comes down to time, then quit and enjoy the time you can spend doing things with the wife, or away from her if needed. 0 -
everyone has to find time to enjoy life some. whether it be huntin, fishin, taking a walk, workin in the shop or just enjoyin the company of your wife and or children. money isn't everything and if your not careful a price is paid , stress. Only you know if your really happy, and only your wife knows if she is, be careful work doesn't become a wall and steal your time for your soul. just my .02[;)][8D][8D] 0 -
Some others here have given good advice,......that is why I said it is up to the individual, and their wants, and capabilities.
I also was not referring to your job at SW, just working like a "madman" in general, and the hours involved.
Stress CAN be a killer,.......some handle it, some don't.
If you desire to retire young though, remember the old saying,......."make hay while the sun shines".
If not, chill out, and take it day by day, and enjoy life now.
None of us,......regardless of the best planning, and hard work, knows if we will be breathing the next sunrise!
You will know what is right for you, after much thought.[;)]0 -
Food for thought...
Where were you when you were typing the 1st post of this thread this morning at 6:00 AM? Your primary job or home?
Do you really work that hard at your primary job?
Does your primary employer know about your part time job?
Are you willing to risk your primary job for this small amount of income from your primary job?
Ever considered that focusing on your primary job may help you move up the ladder which would more than cover the additional income from your PT job.
Ever consider that helping your boss plan for the PMs and outages will help him and thereby help yourself?
Ever consider spending less time on this forum and more time with your family?
Ever consider your wife may become bored with you always being gone and find other ways to entertain herself?0 -
Where were you when you were typing the 1st post of this thread this morning at 6:00 AM? Your primary job or home?
Primary Job
Do you really work that hard at your primary job?
No, not at all. Most of the time, it can be a hell hole though.
Does your primary employer know about your part time job?
Yes
Are you willing to risk your primary job for this small amount of income from your primary job?
Where is the risk? My primary job takes 100% precident over the PT job.
Ever considered that focusing on your primary job may help you move up the ladder which would more than cover the additional income from your PT job.
I will not (not read 'can not') move up. My supervisor makes less than I do, and they (the supervisors of my department) don't last more than a couple years at most before they're fired. Yes, my department is that complex and tough. The only place I will go is to the Instrumentation department.
Ever consider that helping your boss plan for the PMs and outages will help him and thereby help yourself?
He's a 23 year old engineer from Purdue. You could tell him the grass is green and he wouldn't belive you. He'd rather find out the hard way. This plant has been in operation for 40years and that's the way it has always been.
Ever consider spending less time on this forum and more time with your family?
I don't spend that much time on here when I'm at home.
Ever consider your wife may become bored with you always being gone and find other ways to entertain herself?
Nope. Won't happen.0 -
quote:Originally posted by cubslover
Where were you when you were typing the 1st post of this thread this morning at 6:00 AM? Your primary job or home?
Primary Job
Do you really work that hard at your primary job?
No, not at all. Most of the time, it can be a hell hole though.
Does your primary employer know about your part time job?
Yes
Are you willing to risk your primary job for this small amount of income from your primary job?
Where is the risk? My primary job takes 100% precident over the PT job.
Ever considered that focusing on your primary job may help you move up the ladder which would more than cover the additional income from your PT job.
I will not (not read 'can not') move up. My supervisor makes less than I do, and they (the supervisors of my department) don't last more than a couple years at most before they're fired. Yes, my department is that complex and tough. The only place I will go is to the Instrumentation department.
Ever consider that helping your boss plan for the PMs and outages will help him and thereby help yourself?
He's a 23 year old engineer from Purdue. You could tell him the grass is green and he wouldn't belive you. He'd rather find out the hard way. This plant has been in operation for 40years and that's the way it has always been.
Ever consider spending less time on this forum and more time with your family?
I don't spend that much time on here when I'm at home.
Ever consider your wife may become bored with you always being gone and find other ways to entertain herself?
Nope. Won't happen.
These were rhetorical questions0 -
quote:Originally posted by Maalox
These were rhetorical questions
Rhetorical questions with answers. [:)]0 -
Get a lawyer now . If I remember right even for a salary job OT is to be paid for all time over 40. Divide you base pay by 40, then Xs 1.5 to get whats owed to you. Oh by the way be ready to find a new job. ( sometimes the bonus of back pay is worth it.) 0 -
p.s. when i was young it did't take but a stupid look from a boss that mentions work during hunting season for me to quit . your probably a good salesman . and i bet you could hussle[BUY AND SELL IN YOUR SPARE TIME} and make as much on your own. cars motorcycles boats mowers chainsaws etc.[:D] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Da-Tank
Get a lawyer now . If I remember right even for a salary job OT is to be paid for all time over 40. Divide you base pay by 40, then Xs 1.5 to get whats owed to you. Oh by the way be ready to find a new job. ( sometimes the bonus of back pay is worth it.)
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I never said I wasn't getting paid. The extra money is great, I'm just tired of trying to balance two schedules and have enough time to be with my friends and family. Not to mention trying to find some "me" time in the woods. I'm going squirrel hunting with my brother tonight, the proverbial 'two birds', right?
I think you're mistaken about the OT on Salary position. There are Salary Exempt(non-paid OT) and Non-Exempt(paid OT).0
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