Why Liberals Hate Self Defense
Why the Left hates Self-Defense
By Doug Hagin on Apr 24, 07
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One week ago, evil visited itself upon the campus of Virginia Tech. An evil man, and YES, the killer, whose name I will not soil your eyes with, was definitively evil. Yes, he was most assuredly mentally deranged. Yes, he should have been institutionalized years ago. Still, all things weighed and considered, he was evil, and he committed evil acts upon innocent human beings, in this case college students and teachers. We do no one any service by calling his deeds anything but evil.
After this horrible event, I chose not to write about it for a while. I knew, of course, that the tragedy pimping gun grabbers on the left would jump al over this, trying to use it to further their agenda of disarmament. They view this issue very differently than gun right's folks do, and I suppose that is their right. The people who buy the lies of the gun control ideology have one mindset that seems, to me anyway, to cloud their ability to view events like the murders at Virginia Tech with any objectivity at all.
They view guns as the problem, not people who do evil things, Leftists are not big on recognizing evil to begin with, or criminals who have no interest in being governed by laws. To the gun-grabbing left, guns ARE the problem. Guns, you see, are tools, and millions of Americans use these tools every year to defend themselves, their loved ones, and their property against robbers, rapists, murderers, etc. In fact, armed citizens stopped four of America's school shootings, including one in Virginia in 2002. Those who want more gun control also claim to desire less crime. Obviously, if their desired aims of more gun restrictions were to be placed upon America violent crime would rise. So why do they not embrace, rather than fight against, law-abiding Americans owning guns?
Ah, here lays the ugly truth about the left my friends, they hate self-defense, and guns, more than any other tool, are used by Americans to defend themselves. Why, though, do those on the left despise self-defense? They are collectivists, and Socialists. They believe that people should think, and act, collectively, not individually. They also deeply believe in collective self-defense. The government should be responsible for your protection, not you. Listen to all the left's talking points concerning guns and self-defense. They never talk about Americans who use guns in self-defense. Rather, they paint armed Americans as morons, or trigger happy rednecks. Honestly, how many times have they laid out the tired old line about shootouts in the streets if states allow concealed carry permits? Never mind that such events have not happened in the 30-plus states that allow concealed carry.
If you really want a great example of how the left views gun owners and particularly self-defense, look at a recent news story out of Oakland. There, restaurant owner Catarino Piedra recently shot and killed an armed man who tried to rob him. Piedra's wife and three children were in the restaurant and he feared for the armed robber would hurt them. So, acting in defense of his family, he pulled his 9mm and shot his attacker, killing him. Now stop right there my friends. This is clearly a case of a man, seeing his life and that of his family in peril acting reasonably in defending himself and his family.
Those on the left, though, see it quite differently. Consider how Oakland Police Department spokesperson Roland Holmgrem described the actions of Piedra. "This thing had potential-who knows where the suspects were going to take the situation? But by no stretch of the imagination are we agreeing with or justifying what the owner did."
Excuse me? How can anyone DISagree with a man defending his family? How can anyone question the justification of this restaurant owner? He is the victim, a victim who chose, honorably, to fight back, to defend himself. Yet, he has his actions questioned? He has his self-defense ridiculed. He has become the bad guy now.
Holmgrem continued his anti-self-defense rant. "We're not saying that we want citizens to go out there and arm themselves and take the law into their own hands. We want citizens to be good witnesses, to be good report-takers and to identify suspects. The shooting has left two families traumatized, there are no winners in this whole case," Holmgren said.
Good witnesses? Good report-takers? No winners? What in the Hell is this guy smoking? Is he really saying we should just cower, while our lives are threatened, while our loved ones are murdered, and cede our right to self-defense? Moreover, I suppose if we are lucky enough to survive THEN, we are allowed to call the police and be good witnesses! Talk about a load of BS!
The insanity of the anti-self-defense does not stop there in this story though. A near-by store manager of a store, which has been robbed numerous times, had mixed feelings about the shooting. "Of course they have a right to protect themselves, but from what? If we have law enforcement, should businesses have guns? I do not think so. They're inviting trouble."
Hmmm, did he actually ask what Piedra protected himself from? Maybe he protected himself from the thug who stuck a gun in his face and threatened him. Maybe that was what Piedra was acting on? Moreover, please note that the manager questioning Piedra's actions believes if police are armed, no storeowner should try to defend himself or herself. Typical leftist thinking on display there my friends! We are not to defend ourselves. That is the government's job according to left-leaning ideology.
Also, take note that this manager says storeowners who arm themselves are inviting trouble. Yes, of course, how DARE Piedra assume he has a right to defend his family! I am just so happy those students at Virginia Tech were not inviting trouble by arming themselves! They were, instead in a "gun-free" zone. That certainly stopped any harm befalling them now didn't it?
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By Doug Hagin on Apr 24, 07
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One week ago, evil visited itself upon the campus of Virginia Tech. An evil man, and YES, the killer, whose name I will not soil your eyes with, was definitively evil. Yes, he was most assuredly mentally deranged. Yes, he should have been institutionalized years ago. Still, all things weighed and considered, he was evil, and he committed evil acts upon innocent human beings, in this case college students and teachers. We do no one any service by calling his deeds anything but evil.
After this horrible event, I chose not to write about it for a while. I knew, of course, that the tragedy pimping gun grabbers on the left would jump al over this, trying to use it to further their agenda of disarmament. They view this issue very differently than gun right's folks do, and I suppose that is their right. The people who buy the lies of the gun control ideology have one mindset that seems, to me anyway, to cloud their ability to view events like the murders at Virginia Tech with any objectivity at all.
They view guns as the problem, not people who do evil things, Leftists are not big on recognizing evil to begin with, or criminals who have no interest in being governed by laws. To the gun-grabbing left, guns ARE the problem. Guns, you see, are tools, and millions of Americans use these tools every year to defend themselves, their loved ones, and their property against robbers, rapists, murderers, etc. In fact, armed citizens stopped four of America's school shootings, including one in Virginia in 2002. Those who want more gun control also claim to desire less crime. Obviously, if their desired aims of more gun restrictions were to be placed upon America violent crime would rise. So why do they not embrace, rather than fight against, law-abiding Americans owning guns?
Ah, here lays the ugly truth about the left my friends, they hate self-defense, and guns, more than any other tool, are used by Americans to defend themselves. Why, though, do those on the left despise self-defense? They are collectivists, and Socialists. They believe that people should think, and act, collectively, not individually. They also deeply believe in collective self-defense. The government should be responsible for your protection, not you. Listen to all the left's talking points concerning guns and self-defense. They never talk about Americans who use guns in self-defense. Rather, they paint armed Americans as morons, or trigger happy rednecks. Honestly, how many times have they laid out the tired old line about shootouts in the streets if states allow concealed carry permits? Never mind that such events have not happened in the 30-plus states that allow concealed carry.
If you really want a great example of how the left views gun owners and particularly self-defense, look at a recent news story out of Oakland. There, restaurant owner Catarino Piedra recently shot and killed an armed man who tried to rob him. Piedra's wife and three children were in the restaurant and he feared for the armed robber would hurt them. So, acting in defense of his family, he pulled his 9mm and shot his attacker, killing him. Now stop right there my friends. This is clearly a case of a man, seeing his life and that of his family in peril acting reasonably in defending himself and his family.
Those on the left, though, see it quite differently. Consider how Oakland Police Department spokesperson Roland Holmgrem described the actions of Piedra. "This thing had potential-who knows where the suspects were going to take the situation? But by no stretch of the imagination are we agreeing with or justifying what the owner did."
Excuse me? How can anyone DISagree with a man defending his family? How can anyone question the justification of this restaurant owner? He is the victim, a victim who chose, honorably, to fight back, to defend himself. Yet, he has his actions questioned? He has his self-defense ridiculed. He has become the bad guy now.
Holmgrem continued his anti-self-defense rant. "We're not saying that we want citizens to go out there and arm themselves and take the law into their own hands. We want citizens to be good witnesses, to be good report-takers and to identify suspects. The shooting has left two families traumatized, there are no winners in this whole case," Holmgren said.
Good witnesses? Good report-takers? No winners? What in the Hell is this guy smoking? Is he really saying we should just cower, while our lives are threatened, while our loved ones are murdered, and cede our right to self-defense? Moreover, I suppose if we are lucky enough to survive THEN, we are allowed to call the police and be good witnesses! Talk about a load of BS!
The insanity of the anti-self-defense does not stop there in this story though. A near-by store manager of a store, which has been robbed numerous times, had mixed feelings about the shooting. "Of course they have a right to protect themselves, but from what? If we have law enforcement, should businesses have guns? I do not think so. They're inviting trouble."
Hmmm, did he actually ask what Piedra protected himself from? Maybe he protected himself from the thug who stuck a gun in his face and threatened him. Maybe that was what Piedra was acting on? Moreover, please note that the manager questioning Piedra's actions believes if police are armed, no storeowner should try to defend himself or herself. Typical leftist thinking on display there my friends! We are not to defend ourselves. That is the government's job according to left-leaning ideology.
Also, take note that this manager says storeowners who arm themselves are inviting trouble. Yes, of course, how DARE Piedra assume he has a right to defend his family! I am just so happy those students at Virginia Tech were not inviting trouble by arming themselves! They were, instead in a "gun-free" zone. That certainly stopped any harm befalling them now didn't it?
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In short, Liberals hate self-defense because they're friggin' morons. 0 -
quote:We want citizens to be good witnesses, to be good report-takers and to identify suspects.
If I'm going to be doing the Cop's job shouldn't I be put on payroll?0 -
Good presentation.
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Great Post, I just had to copy that and send it on to a couple of friends. Good info to back up a discussion with a liberal cry baby.[:0][:0] 0 -
Great read
You have to realize that the lefties mean well. They think that, if firearms are outlawed, that the 250 million-odd guns in the country will somehow immediately disappear. Since there won't be any guns in existence any longer, no one will be able to get one to use in a crime. (according to their "logic")0 -
quote:Originally posted by Rocklobster
Great read
You have to realize that the lefties mean well. They think that, if firearms are outlawed, that the 250 million-odd guns in the country will somehow immediately disappear. Since there won't be any guns in existence any longer, no one will be able to get one to use in a crime. (according to their "logic")
I'm guessing that 250,000,000 is greatly underestimated.
Many of these well known anti gun "liberals" pack or have hired bodyguards that do, though they feel the "common man" doesn't need this right.0 -
Four possible reasons liberals hate guns;
1. The individual is a coward. The ability to use a firearm and not doing so brings the cowardice to light
2. The individual is incompetent. The ability to use a firearm and not being able to do so would bring incompetence to light
3. Self preservation. A person like Ted Kennedy would not want the fathers of dead daughters owning firearms. Most criminals do not want firearm ownership.
4. Self interest. Police Chiefs and politicians. If the population is able to take care of themselves these people become less important and have a harder time getting people to pay higher taxes.0 -
# 5 would be that they think all LEOs and government agents are SUPER HUMANS. For one reason or another, they truly believe the authorities are well above the average citizen (in effect insulting everyone's intelligence) and that they're the only ones capable of doing 'good'. Capable of dealing with crime. Capable to THINK and EVALUATE situations.
The average citizen is just an uneducated commoner. Simply a goof that's expendable.
While in reality, there's likely many thousands of non-LEO citizens, MORE capable to handle situations than some of the REAL LEOs that are on the job. In better shape. Better marksman. Probably even sharper, but for any number of many reasons, decided they did not feel like being in law enforcement.
People that want to participate in concealed carry are just normal people trying to live their lives as normal. They have no ill will towards average people. Have the ability to think about the consequences of shooting someone. They aren't going to 'lose' it when they get mad. The liberals really insult me.
I don't know whether to blame them of blatant arrogance or pure stupidity on the matter.
Your reason # 4 is likely a more major factor than people would ever think. Every problem with government leads back to the holy dollar.0 -
quote:Originally posted by allen griggs
Why the Left hates Self-Defense
By Doug Hagin on Apr 24, 07
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One week ago, evil visited itself upon the campus of Virginia Tech. An evil man, and YES, the killer, whose name I will not soil your eyes with, was definitively evil. Yes, he was most assuredly mentally deranged. Yes, he should have been institutionalized years ago. Still, all things weighed and considered, he was evil, and he committed evil acts upon innocent human beings, in this case college students and teachers. We do no one any service by calling his deeds anything but evil.
After this horrible event, I chose not to write about it for a while. I knew, of course, that the tragedy pimping gun grabbers on the left would jump al over this, trying to use it to further their agenda of disarmament. They view this issue very differently than gun right's folks do, and I suppose that is their right. The people who buy the lies of the gun control ideology have one mindset that seems, to me anyway, to cloud their ability to view events like the murders at Virginia Tech with any objectivity at all.
They view guns as the problem, not people who do evil things, Leftists are not big on recognizing evil to begin with, or criminals who have no interest in being governed by laws. To the gun-grabbing left, guns ARE the problem. Guns, you see, are tools, and millions of Americans use these tools every year to defend themselves, their loved ones, and their property against robbers, rapists, murderers, etc. In fact, armed citizens stopped four of America's school shootings, including one in Virginia in 2002. Those who want more gun control also claim to desire less crime. Obviously, if their desired aims of more gun restrictions were to be placed upon America violent crime would rise. So why do they not embrace, rather than fight against, law-abiding Americans owning guns?
Ah, here lays the ugly truth about the left my friends, they hate self-defense, and guns, more than any other tool, are used by Americans to defend themselves. Why, though, do those on the left despise self-defense? They are collectivists, and Socialists. They believe that people should think, and act, collectively, not individually. They also deeply believe in collective self-defense. The government should be responsible for your protection, not you. Listen to all the left's talking points concerning guns and self-defense. They never talk about Americans who use guns in self-defense. Rather, they paint armed Americans as morons, or trigger happy rednecks. Honestly, how many times have they laid out the tired old line about shootouts in the streets if states allow concealed carry permits? Never mind that such events have not happened in the 30-plus states that allow concealed carry.
If you really want a great example of how the left views gun owners and particularly self-defense, look at a recent news story out of Oakland. There, restaurant owner Catarino Piedra recently shot and killed an armed man who tried to rob him. Piedra's wife and three children were in the restaurant and he feared for the armed robber would hurt them. So, acting in defense of his family, he pulled his 9mm and shot his attacker, killing him. Now stop right there my friends. This is clearly a case of a man, seeing his life and that of his family in peril acting reasonably in defending himself and his family.
Those on the left, though, see it quite differently. Consider how Oakland Police Department spokesperson Roland Holmgrem described the actions of Piedra. "This thing had potential-who knows where the suspects were going to take the situation? But by no stretch of the imagination are we agreeing with or justifying what the owner did."
Excuse me? How can anyone DISagree with a man defending his family? How can anyone question the justification of this restaurant owner? He is the victim, a victim who chose, honorably, to fight back, to defend himself. Yet, he has his actions questioned? He has his self-defense ridiculed. He has become the bad guy now.
Holmgrem continued his anti-self-defense rant. "We're not saying that we want citizens to go out there and arm themselves and take the law into their own hands. We want citizens to be good witnesses, to be good report-takers and to identify suspects. The shooting has left two families traumatized, there are no winners in this whole case," Holmgren said.
Good witnesses? Good report-takers? No winners? What in the Hell is this guy smoking? Is he really saying we should just cower, while our lives are threatened, while our loved ones are murdered, and cede our right to self-defense? Moreover, I suppose if we are lucky enough to survive THEN, we are allowed to call the police and be good witnesses! Talk about a load of BS!
The insanity of the anti-self-defense does not stop there in this story though. A near-by store manager of a store, which has been robbed numerous times, had mixed feelings about the shooting. "Of course they have a right to protect themselves, but from what? If we have law enforcement, should businesses have guns? I do not think so. They're inviting trouble."
Hmmm, did he actually ask what Piedra protected himself from? Maybe he protected himself from the thug who stuck a gun in his face and threatened him. Maybe that was what Piedra was acting on? Moreover, please note that the manager questioning Piedra's actions believes if police are armed, no storeowner should try to defend himself or herself. Typical leftist thinking on display there my friends! We are not to defend ourselves. That is the government's job according to left-leaning ideology.
Also, take note that this manager says storeowners who arm themselves are inviting trouble. Yes, of course, how DARE Piedra assume he has a right to defend his family! I am just so happy those students at Virginia Tech were not inviting trouble by arming themselves! They were, instead in a "gun-free" zone. That certainly stopped any harm befalling them now didn't it?
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In red above. Well, hell since no one can know "where the suspects are EVER going to take a situation" maybe we should all give the benefit of the doubt and not shoot back until they actually shoot at us AND SCORE A HIT ON US. Then idiots like the police department spokesman will KNOW where the "suspects were going to take a situation" and such spokesman will have no need to make such stupid comments.0 -
Not sure what it is with liberals.
Know of a fairly good way to convert them. Give them a good beating, come back the next day and repeat it, following day do it agin and after 5 days, offer to sell them a hand gun.[}:)][}:)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by allen griggs
Holmgrem continued his anti-self-defense rant. "We're not saying that we want citizens to go out there and arm themselves and take the law into their own hands.The man didn't use his gun to enforce any laws. He used it to save the lives of himself and his family.0 -
The Piedra incident brings to mind a recent similar incident here in Georgia.
Two teenagers walked into a Mom-and-Pop grocery, pulled guns and tried to rob the place. One boy aimed and pulled his trigger but the gun jammed; the old man pulled his 9mm and fired, killing him. Meanwhile, at the other end of the store, the man's wife took out her gun and killed the other perp, who had fired several times, but missed.
The news report was "Two young boys killed in grocery shootout." One kid's mother was on TV, crying the usual "Dey dun killed mah boy", "He wuz a gud boy", "It was a raysis attack" song.
No mention whatever that the two people were defending themselves from slimeballs.0 -
They want everyone to feel helpless so it is easier to push the liberal agenda. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by ElMuertoMonkey
In short, Liberals hate self-defense because they're friggin' morons.
Or ... more likely, cowards.0 -
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" The Piedra incident brings to mind a recent similar incident here in Georgia.
Two teenagers walked into a Mom-and-Pop grocery, pulled guns and tried to rob the place. One boy aimed and pulled his trigger but the gun jammed; the old man pulled his 9mm and fired, killing him. Meanwhile, at the other end of the store, the man's wife took out her gun and killed the other perp, who had fired several times, but missed.
The news report was "Two young boys killed in grocery shootout." One kid's mother was on TV, crying the usual "Dey dun killed mah boy", "He wuz a gud boy", "It was a raysis attack" song.
No mention whatever that the two people were defending themselves from slimeballs."
Rocklobster you may have missed my famous rap music tribute to this event, presented right here on this forum at the time of the shooting:
Sound of rap music playing:
I went to the store
To steal three hundred bucks
My home boy came with me
But we ran out of luck
I pulled my Jennings
And busted a cap
It looked like a scene
Of finest gangster rap
Then the racist cracker
He pulled a little gun
My Jennings had done jammed
I started to run
I hid behind some ribeye steaks
Saw one bullet hit the roof
I found out that ribeye steaks
Are not bullet proof
I yelled out to my home boy
"Hold tight, now don't you bolt!
Throw a bottle at that cracker!
Lawd, the bi*** has got a Colt!"
For me and my home boy
It did not work out well
The crackers are on Channel 5
And we are down in hell.
Footnotes by the artist formerly known as Allen Griggs: When the gunman's cheap auto pisto jammed, he ran and hid behind the meat counter.
The second assailant did not have a gun. The guy with the jammed auto pistol yelled at him to throw stuff at the store owners, and he threw some bottles of Tabasco Sauce at the female store owner, just before she shot and killed him with her own pistol. About that time the guy with the jammed pistol was shot dead behind the meat counter by the male store owner.
That evening the store owners were giving interviews on Channel 5 tv in Atlanta. They told Channel 5 that there was only $300 in the cash register, and they would have given the money to the robbers and not engaged in a gun battle, if the robbers had not started shooting.0 -
Liberals think Gub'Ment does good for people.
Conservatives think good people do good for people.0 -
I looked up the article on the Oakland shooting..
Even criminals have friends and family but it's hard to believe there is a public memorial for a guy who committed armed robbery!
quote:Hicks was remembered at a growing makeshift memorial Friday near the corner of 90th Avenue and Olive Street in East Oakland. Friends left balloons, candles and bottles of Hennessy cognac on the street and wrote messages on white boards tied to a fence.
"Hard-headed ass, Boonie," one message read. "The world's gone miss u boy."
"He always had a smile on his face," said a 22-year-old man who identified himself as a rapper named Little Al. "He was a solid dude, loyal."
He didn't express any anger at the pizzeria owner for shooting his friend. "Life happens," he said. "I'm not upset, you feel me? You wouldn't want it to happen, but it happened. Ain't no telling why that shooting occurred."
Apparently even the criminals expect folks to cower and do as they're told....0
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