Work to be done now about Illegals
Subject: Tancredo & Sessions sign Shuler's DEM bill
From: Roy Beck, President, NumbersUSA
Date: Friday 2NOV07 11:30 a.m. EDT
GOP's Tancredo & Sessions sign Shuler's Democratic bill to take jobs from illegal aliens
DEAR SUPPORTERS OF ATTRITION THROUGH ENFORCEMENT & SELF-DEPORTATION,
The SAVE Act by Rep. Heath Shuler (D-N.C.) has gotten another big boost with the co-sponsorship of Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.), the top congressional leader of the fight against illegal immigration for the last decade.
Tancredo is one of a growing number of Republicans who are putting Principle Over Party Partisanship in backing the Enforcement-Only bill that started with a few dozen Democrats.
Another new co-sponsor is Rep. Pete Sessions (R-Texas) who was thrown by re-districting into a head-to-head election with Rep. Martin Frost (D-Texas) earlier. Sessions defeated Frost, who was one of the House Democrats' top Party leaders, in part because Frost insisted on an Amnesty and Rewards First approach to illegal immigration, while Sessions has been one of our most steadfast allies in pushing illegal aliens to go home.
Scores of Democrats and Republicans are setting aside partisan bickering on this one issue to try to actually solve a problem that is plaguing much of America.
The courageous Democrats pushing the SAVE Act are standing up to their pro-amnesty national Party leadership and Presidential candidates.
The courageous Republicans who are signing onto the SAVE Act are setting aside partisan maneuvering for next year's elections. Here's the equation:
1. Most of the Democrats who are likely to be in competitive races next year are getting behind this bill. The freshmen Democrats, in particular, realize that if they want to be sophomore Democrats, they need to give their constituents a real solution to illegal immigration.
2. This bill may make it harder for Republicans to defeat those freshmen Democrats and regain majority of the House.
3. Why would Republicans help out on a bill like that?
That question came up in meetings of R! epublica ns this week. The Republicans are well aware that this bill will be politically advantageous back home for every Democrat who signs onto it.
But in the end, more and more Republicans, like Tancredo, Sessions and Brian Bilbray (the current chairman of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus) are joining the Democrats because they are Putting Principle Ahead of Partisan Politics.
These Republicans who are serious about actually solving the illegal immigration problem know that nothing is going to get better soon unless they can find a lot of Democrats who are willing to join in the fight.
Heath Shuler's SAVE Act is the best opportunity in a very long time for that to happen.
WHAT CAN YOU DO TODAY TO HELP THIS BI-PARTISAN 'SAVE' EFFORT?
We will provide you with a full list of co-sponsors next week when the SAVE Act is formally introduced.
If your own U.S. Representative is a co-sponsor, we have placed a Fax Note on your Action Buffet corkboard. That allows you to send a much deserved Thank You fax.
Please check and make sure you have sent that fax.
If you have NOT had such a Thank You fax on your corkboard, that means your Representative has not signed up yet.
You may want to call his/her DC or home District office today and encourage the Democrats to show their Courage and the Republicans to show their Principles.
You can see all the office phone numbers of your U.S. Representative by going to:
www.NumbersUSA.com/myMembers
Isn't it time to set partisanship aside and work to actually begin solving this problem and immediately bringing some relief to overwhelmed communities?
The SAVE! ACT (Se cure America with Verification and Enforcement)
I have updated and added several items from the description I gave you of the bill earlier in the week. Several of the changes respond to concerns and confusions that some of you wrote about through our Help Desk.
This bill (it will have no bill number until introduced) does a lot of things to protect our borders and to help with interior enforcement. (We'll provide you with a section-by-section analysis as soon as the bill is formally introduced.)
But the section that I applaud the most has to do with workplace verification. We believe that jobs are the main reason illegal aliens come here. Drying them up would seriously slow the flow of new illegal aliens. And it would start to drive perhaps as many as a million already-settled illegal aliens back home each year.
The SAVE Act would eventually require every employee in America to go through the E-Verify system. This internet system provides employers with an inexpensive, quick, and accurate way to verify that employees are not illegal aliens. The rules for use are such that no employee or employer suffers if there is a mistake in the system because there is ample time to correct errors on the employee's side and on the government's side.
Under the SAVE Act:
Social Security Administration required to share "no-match" information with Homeland Security. This removes the basis of activist judges who have been trying to stop the Bush Administration's use of "no-match" letters to root out illegal workers whose Social Security numbers don't match other data in the Social Security database.
Prohibits employers from deducting wages paid to illegal aliens. The IRS already knows which workers don't have legitimate Social Security numbers but won't share this information. This provision of SAVE allows that information to stay within the IRS b! ut instr ucts the IRS to not allow any wages paid to these particular employees. The result will be much higher taxes for businesses that have illegal aliens on the payroll. This is a provision championed by Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) who is the ranking Republican on the House subcommittee on immigration.
ALL employers (no matter the size of their company) would face fines and possible criminal prosecution if they hire an illegal alien -- from the very beginning. The phase-in of E-Verify (described below) does not change that requirement for ALL businesses.
But unlike now, employers would have to start using the E-Verify electronic verification system on their new hires. Because of difficulty in ramping up the present VOLUNTARY system to handle that much work, the mandatory requirements would be phased in.
During Year 1, all government agencies, government contractors, plus all businesses with more than 250 employees, would have to run all NEW hires through E-Verify.
During Year 2, all businesses with 100 or more employees would have to use E-Verify for new hires.
During Year 3, all businesses with more than 20 employees would have to use E-Verify for new hires.
During Year 4, all businesses with fewer than 20 employees would be added so that all businesses use E-Verify for new hires.
Also during Year 4, ALL businessese would be required to run all their PREVIOUS hires through E-Verify.
Although in many ways it would be nice to immediately kick all illegal aliens out of their jobs all at once, it will probably be more orderly and create far less backlash and potential for the open-borders types to stop the program if we phase E-Verify in over four years.
Under phase in, the illegal alien community will feel an immediate squeeze that will start driving more of them to give up and go home, expecially those who lose their job and start looking for another one.
And each year, the squeeze will ! become m ore and more severe. Only three years after passage, every illegal alien in America who is in a job and working for a company that doesn't want to run afoul of the law will be run through the E-Verify and other procedures of the SAVE Act. Virtually all of them will be identified as illegal, and most of them will lose their jobs.
There aren't enough odd-jobs and off-the-books jobs in the underground economy to soak up even a small fraction of the estimated 7 million illegal workers in the country. Most illegal aliens will no longer find enough work to support them and their dependents, and most of them will eventually give up their lives of illegality and go home -- ATTRITION THROUGH ENFORCEMENT & SELF-DEPORTATION.
FIRST-TIME PROVISIONS TO CATCH
ILLEGAL ALIENS USING IDENTITY THEFT
All of us inside and outside government who have lauded E-Verify under its different names the last decade have acknowledged that it doesn't identify all illegal aliens.
It works with the majority of illegal aliens who are making up Social Security numbers and names when they apply for a job.
But if an illegal alien has paid the money to steal the identity of an American, or a legally present foreign national, E-Verify passes them through.
The Shuler bill is the first to address this problem and solve it.
It creates a system of detecting when the same identity is being used to hold down more jobs than are credible. In some cases, the same identity is being used by hundreds of people in hundreds of workplaces. The Shuler bill creates a notification system that roots out this fraud. We'll describe this in more detail in a later alert.
OTHER ITEMS IN THE BILL
Here are some other things the SAVE Act would do:
Increases Customs and Border Patrol agents by 8,000, utilizes new technology and fencing to secure the border, an! d expand s specialized enforcement programs, such as the Tunnel Task Force
Outlines provisions for recruitment of new agents and personnel through bonuses, student loan repayments, and other financial incentives
Creates a pilot program to increase aerial surveillance, satellite, and equipment sharing between the Department of Homeland Security and the Dept. of Defense to reduce costs and save taxpayer money
Increases investigative abilities of ICE by employing more agents and increasing cooperation between ICE and state and local law enforcement, including sharing personnel, information, and equipment
Creates new infrastructure for the detention, processing and removal of illegal aliens by increasing detention facility capacity, and streamlining judicial processes
Implements a targeted media campaign to inform illegal aliens of new laws and penalties, while also informing employers of penalties for hiring illegal immigrants
THANKS FOR PUTTING SOME OOMPH INTO THIS GREAT OPPORTUNITY,[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]
From: Roy Beck, President, NumbersUSA
Date: Friday 2NOV07 11:30 a.m. EDT
GOP's Tancredo & Sessions sign Shuler's Democratic bill to take jobs from illegal aliens
DEAR SUPPORTERS OF ATTRITION THROUGH ENFORCEMENT & SELF-DEPORTATION,
The SAVE Act by Rep. Heath Shuler (D-N.C.) has gotten another big boost with the co-sponsorship of Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.), the top congressional leader of the fight against illegal immigration for the last decade.
Tancredo is one of a growing number of Republicans who are putting Principle Over Party Partisanship in backing the Enforcement-Only bill that started with a few dozen Democrats.
Another new co-sponsor is Rep. Pete Sessions (R-Texas) who was thrown by re-districting into a head-to-head election with Rep. Martin Frost (D-Texas) earlier. Sessions defeated Frost, who was one of the House Democrats' top Party leaders, in part because Frost insisted on an Amnesty and Rewards First approach to illegal immigration, while Sessions has been one of our most steadfast allies in pushing illegal aliens to go home.
Scores of Democrats and Republicans are setting aside partisan bickering on this one issue to try to actually solve a problem that is plaguing much of America.
The courageous Democrats pushing the SAVE Act are standing up to their pro-amnesty national Party leadership and Presidential candidates.
The courageous Republicans who are signing onto the SAVE Act are setting aside partisan maneuvering for next year's elections. Here's the equation:
1. Most of the Democrats who are likely to be in competitive races next year are getting behind this bill. The freshmen Democrats, in particular, realize that if they want to be sophomore Democrats, they need to give their constituents a real solution to illegal immigration.
2. This bill may make it harder for Republicans to defeat those freshmen Democrats and regain majority of the House.
3. Why would Republicans help out on a bill like that?
That question came up in meetings of R! epublica ns this week. The Republicans are well aware that this bill will be politically advantageous back home for every Democrat who signs onto it.
But in the end, more and more Republicans, like Tancredo, Sessions and Brian Bilbray (the current chairman of the Congressional Immigration Reform Caucus) are joining the Democrats because they are Putting Principle Ahead of Partisan Politics.
These Republicans who are serious about actually solving the illegal immigration problem know that nothing is going to get better soon unless they can find a lot of Democrats who are willing to join in the fight.
Heath Shuler's SAVE Act is the best opportunity in a very long time for that to happen.
WHAT CAN YOU DO TODAY TO HELP THIS BI-PARTISAN 'SAVE' EFFORT?
We will provide you with a full list of co-sponsors next week when the SAVE Act is formally introduced.
If your own U.S. Representative is a co-sponsor, we have placed a Fax Note on your Action Buffet corkboard. That allows you to send a much deserved Thank You fax.
Please check and make sure you have sent that fax.
If you have NOT had such a Thank You fax on your corkboard, that means your Representative has not signed up yet.
You may want to call his/her DC or home District office today and encourage the Democrats to show their Courage and the Republicans to show their Principles.
You can see all the office phone numbers of your U.S. Representative by going to:
www.NumbersUSA.com/myMembers
Isn't it time to set partisanship aside and work to actually begin solving this problem and immediately bringing some relief to overwhelmed communities?
The SAVE! ACT (Se cure America with Verification and Enforcement)
I have updated and added several items from the description I gave you of the bill earlier in the week. Several of the changes respond to concerns and confusions that some of you wrote about through our Help Desk.
This bill (it will have no bill number until introduced) does a lot of things to protect our borders and to help with interior enforcement. (We'll provide you with a section-by-section analysis as soon as the bill is formally introduced.)
But the section that I applaud the most has to do with workplace verification. We believe that jobs are the main reason illegal aliens come here. Drying them up would seriously slow the flow of new illegal aliens. And it would start to drive perhaps as many as a million already-settled illegal aliens back home each year.
The SAVE Act would eventually require every employee in America to go through the E-Verify system. This internet system provides employers with an inexpensive, quick, and accurate way to verify that employees are not illegal aliens. The rules for use are such that no employee or employer suffers if there is a mistake in the system because there is ample time to correct errors on the employee's side and on the government's side.
Under the SAVE Act:
Social Security Administration required to share "no-match" information with Homeland Security. This removes the basis of activist judges who have been trying to stop the Bush Administration's use of "no-match" letters to root out illegal workers whose Social Security numbers don't match other data in the Social Security database.
Prohibits employers from deducting wages paid to illegal aliens. The IRS already knows which workers don't have legitimate Social Security numbers but won't share this information. This provision of SAVE allows that information to stay within the IRS b! ut instr ucts the IRS to not allow any wages paid to these particular employees. The result will be much higher taxes for businesses that have illegal aliens on the payroll. This is a provision championed by Rep. Steve King (R-Iowa) who is the ranking Republican on the House subcommittee on immigration.
ALL employers (no matter the size of their company) would face fines and possible criminal prosecution if they hire an illegal alien -- from the very beginning. The phase-in of E-Verify (described below) does not change that requirement for ALL businesses.
But unlike now, employers would have to start using the E-Verify electronic verification system on their new hires. Because of difficulty in ramping up the present VOLUNTARY system to handle that much work, the mandatory requirements would be phased in.
During Year 1, all government agencies, government contractors, plus all businesses with more than 250 employees, would have to run all NEW hires through E-Verify.
During Year 2, all businesses with 100 or more employees would have to use E-Verify for new hires.
During Year 3, all businesses with more than 20 employees would have to use E-Verify for new hires.
During Year 4, all businesses with fewer than 20 employees would be added so that all businesses use E-Verify for new hires.
Also during Year 4, ALL businessese would be required to run all their PREVIOUS hires through E-Verify.
Although in many ways it would be nice to immediately kick all illegal aliens out of their jobs all at once, it will probably be more orderly and create far less backlash and potential for the open-borders types to stop the program if we phase E-Verify in over four years.
Under phase in, the illegal alien community will feel an immediate squeeze that will start driving more of them to give up and go home, expecially those who lose their job and start looking for another one.
And each year, the squeeze will ! become m ore and more severe. Only three years after passage, every illegal alien in America who is in a job and working for a company that doesn't want to run afoul of the law will be run through the E-Verify and other procedures of the SAVE Act. Virtually all of them will be identified as illegal, and most of them will lose their jobs.
There aren't enough odd-jobs and off-the-books jobs in the underground economy to soak up even a small fraction of the estimated 7 million illegal workers in the country. Most illegal aliens will no longer find enough work to support them and their dependents, and most of them will eventually give up their lives of illegality and go home -- ATTRITION THROUGH ENFORCEMENT & SELF-DEPORTATION.
FIRST-TIME PROVISIONS TO CATCH
ILLEGAL ALIENS USING IDENTITY THEFT
All of us inside and outside government who have lauded E-Verify under its different names the last decade have acknowledged that it doesn't identify all illegal aliens.
It works with the majority of illegal aliens who are making up Social Security numbers and names when they apply for a job.
But if an illegal alien has paid the money to steal the identity of an American, or a legally present foreign national, E-Verify passes them through.
The Shuler bill is the first to address this problem and solve it.
It creates a system of detecting when the same identity is being used to hold down more jobs than are credible. In some cases, the same identity is being used by hundreds of people in hundreds of workplaces. The Shuler bill creates a notification system that roots out this fraud. We'll describe this in more detail in a later alert.
OTHER ITEMS IN THE BILL
Here are some other things the SAVE Act would do:
Increases Customs and Border Patrol agents by 8,000, utilizes new technology and fencing to secure the border, an! d expand s specialized enforcement programs, such as the Tunnel Task Force
Outlines provisions for recruitment of new agents and personnel through bonuses, student loan repayments, and other financial incentives
Creates a pilot program to increase aerial surveillance, satellite, and equipment sharing between the Department of Homeland Security and the Dept. of Defense to reduce costs and save taxpayer money
Increases investigative abilities of ICE by employing more agents and increasing cooperation between ICE and state and local law enforcement, including sharing personnel, information, and equipment
Creates new infrastructure for the detention, processing and removal of illegal aliens by increasing detention facility capacity, and streamlining judicial processes
Implements a targeted media campaign to inform illegal aliens of new laws and penalties, while also informing employers of penalties for hiring illegal immigrants
THANKS FOR PUTTING SOME OOMPH INTO THIS GREAT OPPORTUNITY,[:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]
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This is "too little - too late".
We need a much more pro-active approach to this problem that has the ability to kill the United Sates.
Maybe the bounty solution would be best.
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quote:Originally posted by Doug Wilson
This is "too little - too late".
We need a much more pro-active approach to this problem that has the ability to kill the United Sates.
Maybe the bounty solution would be best.
Doug
I'm with you Doug. I don't know how the situation is in OryGun, but florida is OVERFLOWING with Guatamalans, Mexicans,Hatians and a host of others.A fella could make-out PRETTY good here, on $500 each.[:D]
If it happens, U are welcome to cummon down and make some EEeeasy money.[;)]0 -
Why dont you post the story bout the lettuce grower who moved his operation to Mexico because he couldnt get the help in the US?...He moved from Cali to Mexico...he employs over 500 ppl....
CNN had the story...will see if I can find the link....The US lost 10 million bucks when he moved apparantly...0 -
Thanks Jim...Was on the phone for a bit.... 0 -
Quote: "Moved his operation to Mexico because he couldn't get help in the U. S."
Finish the sentence: "At the wages he wanted to pay."0 -
john..
If you read the story, all two pages of it,...that is not the case at all..
quote:He also dismisses arguments that he could attract workers by raising wages, saying Americans do not take the sweaty, seasonal field jobs. "I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that if I did that I would raise my costs and I would not have a legal work force," Mr. Scaroni said.0 -
Well we might have lost 10 million but we paid 89 Billion each year for all social benefits for the illegals.American wages have been depressed 200 billion, lots of American corporate farmers receive Ag supplement and use illegal labor. American construction workers are losing jobs because they can't compete with employers that pay sub wages and we can't compete with 6 buck help and we have to pay for their social upkeep.
Now the farm workers your talking about will never make enough to get off social aid and when they bring their families were supporting the whole extended family which in most cases are illerate. My state spent 183 million in 2004 educating illegal student while the state suffers from over crowed classes and they don't or can't speak English and slows the other students down.
Also 1 area hospital group wrote off 40 Million last year on accounts that couldn't or didn't pay the Hospital bills and that's just one chain here. Guess who make up the difference you and me so they need to go home where ever they came from. Check my other post on what would happen if 20 million illegals went home.0 -
quote:Originally posted by BlackRoses
Why dont you post the story bout the lettuce grower who moved his operation to Mexico because he couldnt get the help in the US?...He moved from Cali to Mexico...he employs over 500 ppl....
CNN had the story...will see if I can find the link....The US lost 10 million bucks when he moved apparantly...
Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops but 25% are on welfare.
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quote:Originally posted by BlackRoses
john..
If you read the story, all two pages of it,...that is not the case at all..
quote:He also dismisses arguments that he could attract workers by raising wages, saying Americans do not take the sweaty, seasonal field jobs. "I know beyond a shadow of a doubt that if I did that I would raise my costs and I would not have a legal work force," Mr. Scaroni said.
I don't believe that.0 -
When I had a thriving business here in Florida 10 years ago, I could not find people that would do the work and the average worker of mine (Labor) made around 600 a week. They would work one or two days of which maybe 4 hours of good work and say it was too hard. I wound up geting state prisoners on work release to do the job..
My Ex-Wife was head of Houskeeping for a chain of motels and she had problems getting Americans to do the maid jobs.. Most of her maids were oriental.
Face it there are jobs that Americans just wont do, or feel they are above doing them.
This country is becoming a "Service" only country, most industry has been lost to foriegn nations. Welfare is better than working for a lot of Americans also..
Immigration is a major problem, right along with the Americans that are too lazy to work. Yes! there are a bunch of em..
There are major changes needed in all areas of this countries economy, and I think it needs to start at the top. With a big change in the government for we the little people have no say whatsoever about a damn thing..0 -
Does anyone have any references to more or less objective and accurate data on who works the fields? 0 -
In the fields in FL, all I see are Mexicans, South/Central Americans and Haitians. Same for construction laborers.
Drive into the "hood" and the locals are hanging out on the corner.0 -
Four years seems entirely too much time, although the same procedures enacted over a two year period does sound somewhat reasonable. 0 -
" "I have a customer base that demands we produce and deliver product every day," he said. "They don't want to hear the excuses." He acknowledges that wages are much lower in Mexico; he pays $11 a day here as opposed to about $9 an hour in California. But without legal workers in California, he said, "I have no choice but to offshore my operation."
To me this means we must raise our import tax to keep up with "American pricing". If he loves Mexico so damn much, move there and become a Mexican subject. Time to stop this outsourcing and face reality. We are on the edge of disaster right now.0 -
The illegals will become an army of occupation in the territories they reside. More will come to reinforce them. They will petition the UN for a plebiscite. America will either settle or stand up and fight. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Classic095
When I had a thriving business here in Florida 10 years ago, I could not find people that would do the work and the average worker of mine (Labor) made around 600 a week. They would work one or two days of which maybe 4 hours of good work and say it was too hard. I wound up geting state prisoners on work release to do the job..
My Ex-Wife was head of Houskeeping for a chain of motels and she had problems getting Americans to do the maid jobs.. Most of her maids were oriental.
Face it there are jobs that Americans just wont do, or feel they are above doing them.
This country is becoming a "Service" only country, most industry has been lost to foriegn nations. Welfare is better than working for a lot of Americans also..
Immigration is a major problem, right along with the Americans that are too lazy to work. Yes! there are a bunch of em..
There are major changes needed in all areas of this countries economy, and I think it needs to start at the top. With a big change in the government for we the little people have no say whatsoever about a damn thing..
$600.00 a week,10 years ago?? WTH were they doing to earn that kind of money, that was so hard, they let that kind of pay go?
What is the pay for that same job now?
WHEN DO I START??
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Socialism breeds this lack of a work ethic. You and your ex-wife were trying to get the job done. Socialism is the problem...not hard work. I have worked some lousy jobs (hard work for low pay) it was a heck of a motivator.
quote:Originally posted by Classic095
When I had a thriving business here in Florida 10 years ago, I could not find people that would do the work and the average worker of mine (Labor) made around 600 a week. They would work one or two days of which maybe 4 hours of good work and say it was too hard. I wound up geting state prisoners on work release to do the job..
My Ex-Wife was head of Houskeeping for a chain of motels and she had problems getting Americans to do the maid jobs.. Most of her maids were oriental.
Face it there are jobs that Americans just wont do, or feel they are above doing them.
This country is becoming a "Service" only country, most industry has been lost to foriegn nations. Welfare is better than working for a lot of Americans also..
Immigration is a major problem, right along with the Americans that are too lazy to work. Yes! there are a bunch of em..
There are major changes needed in all areas of this countries economy, and I think it needs to start at the top. With a big change in the government for we the little people have no say whatsoever about a damn thing..0 -
I've worked in a hand car wash in Sacramento in the summer, and I've worked loading empty #10 cans in a cannery. I've worked cutting up wrecked cars with a torch in a junk yard. I've worked putting snow chains on cars in blizzards on Donner Pass.
My point is that I've worked hard and cheap.
I think Americans will do that.
Doug0 -
quote:Originally posted by get_involved
quote:Originally posted by BlackRoses
Why dont you post the story bout the lettuce grower who moved his operation to Mexico because he couldnt get the help in the US?...He moved from Cali to Mexico...he employs over 500 ppl....
CNN had the story...will see if I can find the link....The US lost 10 million bucks when he moved apparantly...
Less than 2% of illegal aliens are picking our crops but 25% are on welfare.
+1[:D]
http://www.cis.org0
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