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Not a Drilling - What Is It - 14 Photos

Trader Dave
Anytime I get stumped I come here and get answers. You guys and gals are GREAT. Here is a gun that is NOT a Drilling. However, it is a shotgun rifle combo over/under. It is made in Germany - KRUPP but I have no idea who made it, when it was made or anything. I have attached some photos. I didn't put this in ask experts since I wanted un-experts to reply too. Thanks - any help is appreciated - Also if you have an estimated value fire away (w/out Leupold Scope).

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  • select-fire
    Nice.. A Sauer combo gun would be in the 2k range. 16 gauge?
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  • GuvamintCheese
    What is it??? SWEEEEEET!! You got every pic except the one with it broken down showing the chambers, or the end of the muzzle. Value 4k-ish. Looks like a Ferlach. That is relief engraving and is very difficult and time consuming. Fit and finish is great.
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  • linthicum
    That is nice, I think it came from the great firearm gods from above. Hey you wanted a non-expert opinion.[:D][:o)]
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  • sarge_3ad
    That's just a cheap trinket. You just as well give that to me.[:D]
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  • Trader Dave
    Photos 11 and 12 show the stamped caliber and shotgun gauge. My lack of knowledge can't decipher the correct info here. You guys are plenty of help. I know very little about engraving except that I LIKE IT.
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  • Dakota308
    that gun could make a dark man blush[:D]
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  • Floyd621
    It's a Cape Gun. 16 Gauge? and 8mm Rimmed most likely. 7.8 x 57 so it probley uses a .318 bullet.
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  • v35
    Crown over U should be early prewar being there are no eagle proofs. It's an 8x57JS mauser (.318 J bullet) 2300-2600 Ft lbs energy.
    Since it has only a cheap horn triggerguard, I'll offer $500.
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  • jabronij3
    a drilling has 3 barrels
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  • Locust Fork
    I sold something a lot like that not all that long ago....I didn't know much about them at the time but it does look like what I learned to be a "Cape gun." The aren't worth as much as drillings and Ferlachs....they are an obsolete calibur (even though it may say 16g or 20g) it is a European round and isn't common. If it is a Cape gun yours has nicer wood than mine did and mine sold for $1,500. I would look into the markings on it to be certain.
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  • nononsense
    Trader Dave,

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    St. m. G = Stahl-mantel Geschoss (steel jacketed bullet)

    12.7 = 196 grains bullet weight

    Twist rate should be approximately 310mm

    Crown over 'N' = nitro proofed for smokeless powder

    Crown over 'G' = rifled barrel commercially proofed

    Crown over 'U' = commercially proofed in assembled form

    While everyone assumes that this is an 8x57JS with the .318 groove, the 7.8m/m is .308 which represents the bore diameter, it is possible that this barrel has been converted to the 8x60 as a post WWI agreement although it should have been re-struck and re-proofed by law. The marks indicate that this rifle was made after 1912 but before 1939 according to the proofs. This is mute since you should really cast both the rifle chamber and the shotgun chamber since there is a possibility that the shotgun chamber is 65mm or 2-1/2".

    Anyway that's a start. Have fun!

    Best.
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  • GuvamintCheese
    quote:Originally posted by Locust Fork
    I sold something a lot like that not all that long ago....I didn't know much about them at the time but it does look like what I learned to be a "Cape gun." The aren't worth as much as drillings and Ferlachs....they are an obsolete calibur (even though it may say 16g or 20g) it is a European round and isn't common. If it is a Cape gun yours has nicer wood than mine did and mine sold for $1,500. I would look into the markings on it to be certain.
    didnt yours have exposed hammers?
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  • Trader Dave
    This has got to be the best forum. Select, Floyd, Cartod, V35 etc. - all of you have added so much. Your info Nononsense is wonderful. I knew someone could at least point me in the right direction. I pulled this out for a moment at the last gunshow and had one of the dealers offer $2500. However, not one of them could identify it for sure.

    Those older guns, as beautiful as they are, don't register with me. I can appreciate the workmanship and detail that went into them but my knowledge is lacking. I probably will have to start reading up and talking to smart folks like those here.
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  • GuvamintCheese
    Here is an old topic that might help.
    http://forums.gunbroker.com/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=210828
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  • spanielsells
    Beautiful gun. Have no clue what it is. But, it is just gorgeous.
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  • Locust Fork
    I have had three Ferlachs, two drillings and the cape gun...all of them were a learning experience. I bet whatever comes up next is something I will have to start at square one with. The cape gun was not a hammer gun.....but I didn't have it listed as a cape gun. I thought it was a drilling and listed it wrong.
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  • Nighthawk
    I can tell you only one thing about it. I love it! Ive been wanting a .22 Hornet over a 12 Ga for a long time. I think Savage still makes one not nearly the gun you have though.
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