Corporate America selling us out
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Amazing the lengths corporate america will go to to secure a "slave labor class" of employees ,,,,,,,,,, with the help of congress and the white house.
And many here still believe that unions are the root of the problem and that corporate greed doesn't exist.
Thanks for providing this link to the truth!0 -
What exactly is this "corporate america"? Anybody know? Are these the aliens or some foreign spooks or what? Explain it to me, 'cause I don't get it. 0 -
Before political correctness it was once called Big Business. Owned or opperated by those dirt, rotten, stinken, filthy, discustinly rich people. Man, I'm envious. But we can't join them. So we might as well join a union before we all become total slaves in their labor camp. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by mcaso
Before political correctness it was once called Big Business. Owned or opperated by those dirt, rotten, stinken, filthy, discustinly rich people. Man, I'm envious. But we can't join them. So we might as well join a union before we all become total slaves in their labor camp.
I don't know which ones you're talking about, but I watched a few get filthy rich. They ALL have worked their tails off for years to get there. Obviously, there're a few exceptions, but all-n-all, majority of those "dirt, rotten, stinken, filthy, discustinly rich people" are just hard working Americans who had a goal.0 -
Rockatansky, no offence. But you are not even close. First let me say my dirty, rotten etc. was tounge and check. Those I was reffering to are the ones who make up the three percent that own and control 97 percent of the wealth of America. Those families were filthy rich before you or I were born, and history well documents how they got that way. You might be reffering to Bill Gates or Ricky Smith who are now part of that three percent. The rich are like politicians, it doesn't take them long to become detached from the working class. The end result is the working class become tools for them to use to further their goals and that is all we mean to them. It goes with the territory. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by mcaso
Rockatansky, no offence. But you are not even close. First let me say my dirty, rotten etc. was tounge and check. Those I was reffering to are the ones who make up the three percent that own and control 97 percent of the wealth of America. Those families were filthy rich before you or I were born, and history well documents how they got that way. You might be reffering to Bill Gates or Ricky Smith who are now part of that three percent. The rich are like politicians, it doesn't take them long to become detached from the working class. The end result is the working class become tools for them to use to further their goals and that is all we mean to them. It goes with the territory.
But, without them, none of use would have jobs. Those people don't just hoard their money, they invest it and spend it, which means growth.
I hope that you all realize that when you begin railing against the "rich" that you are essentially taking the Communist stand. If you don't believe me read Karl Marx's book.0 -
so your saying it's ok to break the law and hire illegals over AMERICANS.[:(][xx(][V][:(!] 0 -
quote:Originally posted by Rockatansky
What exactly is this "corporate america"? Anybody know? Are these the aliens or some foreign spooks or what? Explain it to me, 'cause I don't get it.
It is a class of people that undertake risk in order to achieve goals. Usually they invite us little people to share in the wealth by selling us "shares" of the business called "stock". Some folks can't handle success so they complain about those that have it and work hard for it, (better than blameing ones self for failure).0 -
"If it weren't for the rich, we wouldn't have jobs?" BULLS--T! I have a job becuase I went to school, I saved my money, and I opened up my practice.
No dobut that there are rich people out there who either took huge risks and they paid off, and there are the rich out there who got that way from long hours of hard work.
But those people are not the rich people that we are talking about. Generational wealth is the problem. Wealth like Erik Prince has, owner of Blackwater. His father was very wealthy, sold his business (which I think was started by his father) for over one BILLION dollars. Prince's sister married Dick Devos, who owns Amway, which was one of the largest contributors to the GOP. Devos at one point ran for governor of Michigan. Prince's business wasn't Crap until 9/11. Then suddenly Government contracts up the ying yang.
It's interesting, because wealthy people like this are, in many ways, "among us", but are definately in a different stratus...0 -
quote:Originally posted by Jgreen
"If it weren't for the rich, we wouldn't have jobs?" BULLS--T! I have a job becuase I went to school, I saved my money, and I opened up my practice.
So, how did you earn the money to pay for school? Or, did you get a loan? Either way, somebody (or some entity) who is infinately wealthier than you gave you money. Whether is was for services rendered or they took a risk, which you paid back in interest.
That my friends is what Capitalism is all about. The thing about it is that we all have the opportunity to join that elite class, we just have to work hard, or come up with something that nobody else provides.0 -
Strange...I have never been able to get a job from a poor person. All my employers have been big rich corporations. 0 -
"Infinately wealthier"? How about cutting the neighbor's lawn. Working at the pizza joint. Cleaning cages at my dad's clinic. None of these folks were "infinately wealthier" than me.
Look, I am a big fan of capitalism. But don't give me that same crap about everyone having a shot at the big time, becuase it isn't true.
Maybe I'll shed some light on my background here, so you can understand where I'm coming from. My father was a veterinarian, and a WWII war refugee. The family had money in Europe, but here, they were farm hands. My father worked his way through university, and then grad school. He worked for another vet for a few years after school, as well as for the city of Detroit, as well as at the race track, sometimes all at the same time, to come up with teh money to open his clinic. He worked like an animal.
He did well, and I grew up in what is probably the most affluent area of Michigan. We didn't have the nicest house by a long shot, but we were within 1-2 miles of the nicest houses around. I went to public schools until high school. All though public school, I was usually "the rich kid". My dad had a Porsche (a 914), he was a "doctor", etc.
My dad decided I needed to go to a private school for high school, so I went to Country Day. I was actually "the poor kid" there. I went to school with the children of the "elites". I went to school where the mom was a judge, and dad was a supreme court judge. Where Dad was a local radio "legend". Where dad was the head of design for chrysler.
And even these kids were NOTHING compared to the "old money". Kids whose great grandparents started a small company, and passed it down from generation to generation. Who bought property in some podunk area of Michigan in 1900, where now stands a university. Kids whose aunts and uncles were Fords, Firestones, Bissels, etc.
I have seen and grown up around these people, and while they can be very good, decent, and hardworking people, they also know "their place", and know that they need to dangle the carrot in front of you and have the whip at your rear.
They will tell you in one breath "all it takes is hard work", and in the next "oh, count your blessings that you don't have all this; it's more of a burden than it's worth". Why is it that the most ardent, vocal, "pro-business" persons are usually the ones without a pot to piss in? Becuase they have that dream, they think that "this is what the rich do, so it must be right". Even though it stabs them in the A$$ to do it. They want to work for a rich man, but the rich man doesn't want to pay you for it. But dangle that carrot, and boom, we have NAFTA. And now look where your job is. But this is America, and by God, you will have your shot...
I'm doing very well now, certainly not to the extent of "American Royalty", but lessons have been learned.0 -
Jgreen - I am in no way disparaging you. I was just trying to make a point that the money had to come from somewhere. You say that you mowed lawns. Where did the money that the people who paid you come from? Most likely from a job with a large corporation or via people who work for those corporations. If you follow the money trail long enough it will always lead back to that top 5% eventually.
As for having "a shot at the big time", that is a matter of perception. Are you happy doing what you do? From your post I gather that you are proud of your accomplishments, as you should be. If you are satified, then you have achieved what you wanted. If you are not, then you will work harder to get to where you want to be. That is what the American Dream is all about.
You posted about how hard your parents and grandparents worked. Why do you think that they worked so hard? I will make the assumption that is was because they wanted something better for you. You are doing the same. If your business is sucessful, then you may reap the benefits, but your children will get even more. If you raise them so that they understand that have to continue to try to improve their lot in life, then they will achieve the same happiness that you did.
Who knows, maybe your great-grandchildren will be known as the next Hiltons. Well maybe you don't want that, but you get my point.
If that dream was not still alive today, we would not see the massive influx of people from other countries that we are seeing. Here they have a chance of doing better than they could at home. For those of us who were born here, we have a chance of doing better than our parents. Hopefully our children will have that same chance. It all goes out the window though when we villify that top 5% and strive to bring them down. Those are the beginning stages of Communism, where the government gets to decide how well off you will be in life. I, personally, like having the choice.0 -
Selling? They sold out America years ago.
Corporate America is no better than Communism.
Case in point.....refusal of the Federal Govt. to stop the invasion of America.....Corporate America controls the govt.....not the people.0 -
Handgun, It was not my intent to rail against the rich. Yes, without their investments none of us would have jobs. It just appears that we don't mean much to them. Labor laws and unions, etc. all came about because of their mistreatment of the blue collar workers. If they treated people fairly none of that would have been needed. The lives of the rich are so far removed of the blue collar worker that they just can't understand the needs and concerns of regular people. Just like we can't understand their needs and concerns. I think that just goes with the territory. By the way, communisum in Any of its forms has shown that it does not work. 0 -
and what administration allowed this into action? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by ObiWan
Selling? They sold out America years ago.
Corporate America is no better than Communism.
Case in point.....refusal of the Federal Govt. to stop the invasion of America.....Corporate America controls the govt.....not the people.
Interesting comment! Talk to the the folks in this country that ran from Communism and lived under its suppression for many years. I assume you are young and know nothing about the horrors of living under a thug government that grants you no freedom and tells you where to live and what jobs you will do.
A flip remark that is an insult to the people who built this republic.0 -
Jgreen, you must not have paid attention in Corwin's economic classes over there at DCDS. The saying is not "all you need to do is work hard and you'll succeed." The lesson is, "working hard will not guarantee you success, but guaranteed you will not succeed if you don't work hard." 0 -
And they wonder why unions existed. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by The Dutchman
And they wonder why unions existed.
They exist to make union leaders wealthy and serve as the Mafia's bank.0 -
We all love Corporate America. 0 -
I had Corwin for the Civil War class. Lots of Fun....[8D] 0 -
Here's an article on the number and levels of "wealthy" in the country as of the most recent statistics.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12393877/
"By Deborah Brewster
Updated: 6:31 p.m. ET April 19, 2006
NEW YORK - The number of very rich people in the U.S. grew last year at the fastest pace in at least a decade as their moves into international stock markets, real estate and alternative investments paid off.
The number of households with $5 million or more in investable assets - excluding the family home - rose by 26 percent to a record 930,000, according to a study by Spectrem Group. That is the biggest jump since Spectrem began its survey in 1996. The number of millionaires rose by 11 percent, to a record 8.3 million - the second biggest jump in the decade since they were surveyed.
The overall affluent market - households with $500,000 or more - rose by 7 percent to a record 14 million."
Some other estimates say there are only about 7.5 million households worth a million or more.
http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/business/articles/0529millionaires29.html
The majority of these are worth "only" around $1 million, with $2 million catching a huge percentage of them. There really aren't very many in the $30 plus million dollar range.
BTW, when you complain about inherited wealth, just who is it that you think has a better claim to the money? Does someone on welfare have more right to the resources a family owns than the families offspring?
We have paid inheritance taxes on some of our land three times now, just when does it become ours, and not have a claim on it by someone else? We bought it, we paid the property taxes on it, we protected and developed it, so why do you think it is yours?
You have NO right to any of it, nor do you have any right to any of my shares of stock. I bought my first share of stock when I was age seven, still have it, and bought more. I'll be damned if I'll let someone get their hands on it just because they think it's "only fair".0 -
What if u all democratically voted for fair redistribution of all american wealth...[:D]
It would be possible to do democratically if u just voted for it [8D]
So there u have it :
One second in communism (the redistribution part)
and the rest of your lifes as very,veeeerrry veerrryyyyy wealthy capitalists ALL OF YOU.
= America turned in to paradise on earth.
Surely some folk (some mega rich folks) would get poorer .But hey they would still end up w maybe 15 million dollars or so on their bank accounts.So i figure they would survive and also see the beauty of america turned in to paradise.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Talented
What if u all democratically voted for fair redistribution of all american wealth...[:D]
It would be possible to do democratically if u just voted for it [8D]
So there u have it :
One second in communism (the redistribution part)
and the rest of your lifes as very,veeeerrry veerrryyyyy wealthy capitalists ALL OF YOU.
= America turned in to paradise on earth.
Surely some folk (some mega rich folks) would get poorer .But hey they would still end up w maybe 15 million dollars or so on their bank accounts.So i figure they would survive and also see the beauty of america turned in to paradise.
The problem with your logic Talented is that within one generation we would be right back were we are now. There a many people who cannot handle that wealth. Look at professional sports players for example, they make millions each year, but a lot of them are flat broke 5 years after they stop playing. So, what will happen is that those who invest wisely and don't overspend will reap the benefits off of those who would spend wildly and end up with what they had to begin with, nothing.
The only thing that redistribution of wealth in America would cause is a total collapse of the American economy followed by the rise of a new set of "wealthy" people.0 -
Noone is arguing for the re-distribution of wealth as an overall cure. The problem, as I see it, is that thems that's got have convinced/conned the rest that's not that if you just vote our way, you too have a shot at the big time. And that's total BS.
All we are doing is making it easier for the wealthy to maintain control and make more money, and shoot everyone else in the foot.
One of the early posts was basically that we have jobs because of the rich. Well, the rich only want to be richer. Nothing wrong with that. However, they can get richer by sending your middle class or lower job to mexico, and guess what? You're done for.
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