Opinions on Restoring Felons Gun Rights
The post on the rapper brought up several good points from people.
So I thought maybe I should pick everyones brains to get some feedback. I am almost always open to seeing other points of view on topics.
So with that said...lets look at some key points:
1. What felonies would you feel are eligible to having a persons right to own firearms restored (rape, armed robbery, assault and battery, murder, negligent manslaughter, etc)?
2. Would you support restoring them ONLY upon full completion of the sentence or would you support them upon parole from prison?
3. Would you feel that it should be a blanket policy to restore their right or should it be on a case by case basis?
Playing devils advocate on this one. I will post my thoughts in a seperate reply...to give others a chance to respond first. Oh and there is no animosity towards anyone on this board (from me at least [:D])...I respect everyones opinion...no matter how wrong they are. Just kidding.
So I thought maybe I should pick everyones brains to get some feedback. I am almost always open to seeing other points of view on topics.
So with that said...lets look at some key points:
1. What felonies would you feel are eligible to having a persons right to own firearms restored (rape, armed robbery, assault and battery, murder, negligent manslaughter, etc)?
2. Would you support restoring them ONLY upon full completion of the sentence or would you support them upon parole from prison?
3. Would you feel that it should be a blanket policy to restore their right or should it be on a case by case basis?
Playing devils advocate on this one. I will post my thoughts in a seperate reply...to give others a chance to respond first. Oh and there is no animosity towards anyone on this board (from me at least [:D])...I respect everyones opinion...no matter how wrong they are. Just kidding.
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If your proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, you should loose them for a minimum of 15 yrs. A&B is not a Felony! 0 -
If you do X you comit a felony. You get convicted....proven to be a felon. You get served a punishment for that crime.....while in jail you are a felon.
Why does everyone think that after time served you would still be a felon?
Debt to society has already been served.
To punish until death is inhumane and unjust. We wouldn't have put up with such Tyranny 50 years ago.
Today's Americans are ...ussies.0 -
case by case basis yes. 0 -
There is a program under which ATF can investigate a convicted felon, and if he has completed his probation, and not committed any more crimes, and is gainfully employed, his firarms right can be fully restored.
Under this program, ATF restored firearms rights to many thousands of convicted felons.
In 1992, an anti-gun group got together with some liberal Senators in an attempt to do away with this program
I read the statistics that they used. There was a very small percent of these people whose rights that had been restored, who committed further crimes. It was one or two percent of these people. As I recall, of 75 crimes committed, 50 were bank robberies, about 12 were child molestation, and there were a dozen other various crimes.
So, these liberals took these statistics to the Congress, and waved them like a bloody shirt. They said this proved that the firearms rights restoration program was a failure, because so many crimes had been committed by those people.
Congress acted in its typical chicken fashion, and defunded the program. So, although the program still exists, it has not been used since 1992, and will probably never receive funding again.
The techniques that these liberals used to destroy this program are bogus. If a guy wants to rob a bank, he doesn't care if he can get a gun legally or not. If a convicted felon wants to rob a bank today, he is not held back because he cannot legally buy a gun, he just gets a gun in an illegal fashion, and he robs the bank.
Likewise, the fact that child abuse was committed by convicted felons with gun rights restored had nothing to do with guns! A pervert does not get hold of a 9 year old girl by use of a firearm, he uses a candy bar or ice cream cone to lure the kid to his house or car.
If Congress had any guts, or a desire to uphold the Constitution, they would begin funding this program again.0 -
Violent crimes that demonstrate the felon's inability to control rage should result in a permanent ban. All others: after doing time, paying restitution, clearing probation,and a period of good behavior -- say, five years -- I say restore the rights. The magic word is "nonviolent."
The state of Wyoming is pursuing an interesting, related matter through the courts. For some time, the state has allowed non-violent felons to possess black powder arms. BATFE recently said no, and the feds claim federal law trumps state statute or policy. The governor, while a usually worthless democrat, has picked up the ball and is fighting this one. May go to the U.S. Supreme Court.
I believe Montana has also had a policy of automatically restoring firearms rights to non-violent offenders. Federal background checks, however, are messing up these long-standing practices. Any other states out there that have been allowing restoration?0 -
The program doesn't need to be funded.
How does the Federal Government have the authority to say what private property a free American can or can not possess?
They have the authority to regulate interstate commerce. If they decide American John Doe can not buy a gun thru interstate commerce....fine and dandy.
John Doe should legally be able to buy X within his State.
The people gave the King way too much power.0 -
"The state of Wyoming is pursuing an interesting, related matter through the courts. For some time, the state has allowed non-violent felons to possess black powder arms. BATFE recently said no, and the feds claim federal law trumps state statute or policy."
riverrat, I wish you would post a link. I can't understand this case, because under federal law, a convicted felon MAY posess muzzleloaders.0
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