Iraq
Just saw on the new, I knew it was bad, but now looks like the terrorist have a better foothold in Iraq, than we do. Will Obama close the our largest embassy in the world and bring everyone home? I betcha he is going to apologize for us having a embassy in Iraq!
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Notice the bombing have really increased.
quote:"I expect more explosions," Mustafa Hussain, a 33-year-old grocer, told Reuters at the scene, where pieces of flesh, shreds of bloodied clothing and shoes still littered the area.
"Iraqi forces don't have enough experience and they don't check vehicles well at their checkpoints ... they must prove their abilities to the people."
How long till our guy have to go back in and clean up again.0 -
On a diplomatic mission, Bush goes to Iraq to negotiate with Saddam. While sitting in Saddam's office, Saddam begins to become angry with and presses a button on his chair. A boxing glove then swoops across the room and hits Bush in the face. They resume talking, but then Saddam gets angry again and presses the button again. Another boxing glove then comes out and hits Bush in the face. Bush becomes mad so Saddam presses the button a third time and his guards come in and drag Bush out of the office.
A few weeks later, Saddam comes to America to negotiate with Bush again. While in Bushes office, Saddam makes Bush angry so Bush then presses a button on his chair. Nothing happens. As the negotion tenses up, Bush presses the button 2 more times but both times, nothing happens.
Saddam then stands up and says "Enough of your trickery, I'm going back to Iraq!"
Bush then says, "What Iraq?"
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does anyone care about iraq anymore ? i am done supporting democracy for that country. i have had enough. that country is not worth one more america life. 0 -
This is one of my best friends (Dan Lamothe). He is a flight surgeon (doc) for the 62nd (I think) Special Forces squadron (air force). I'm actually recalling the unit from memory so I'm not positive about its name. Anyway, he's defending the coutry in Iraq as a doc for the unit. He's not an operator so he is limited to the missions that are a little less hairy but he's doing all he can. Just wanted to let yall know. 
Frog
GO NAVY, BEAT ARMY
Don't Mess with Texas / Don't Mess with Poland0 -
Just in case you might think of Iraq as "only" an oil rich nation, ruled by an evil dictator for 30 years, whether it has been supporting terrorists or not may not be very important. Here are a few important facts regarding history and roles that this nation has played down through history.
IRAQ -- VERY INTERESTING -- DID YOU KNOW??????
1. The garden of Eden was in Iraq. (it sure doesn't look much like Paradise on Earth today, thanks to Saddam)
2. Mesopotamia which is now Iraq was the cradle of civilization.
3. Noah built the ark in Iraq.
4. The Tower of Babel was in Iraq.
5. Abraham was from Ur, which is in Southern Iraq.
6. Isaac's wife Rebekah was from Nahor which is in Iraq.
7. Jacob met Rachel in Iraq.
8. Jonah preached in Nineveh - which is in Iraq.
9. Assyria which is in Iraq conquered the ten tribes of Israel.
10. Amos cried out in Iraq.
11. Babylon which is in Iraq destroyed Jerusalem.
12. Daniel was in the lion's den in Iraq.
13. The 3 Hebrew children were in the fire in Iraq (that's good news to know that JESUS has been in Iraq too as the 4th person in the fiery furnace!)
14. Belshazzar, the King of Babylon, saw the "writing on the wall" in Iraq. (which hopefully Saddam will too!)
15. Nebuchadnezzar, King of Babylon, carried the Jews captive into Iraq.
16. Ezekiel preached in Iraq.
17. The wise men were from Iraq. (where are the "wise" men today?)
18. Peter preached in Iraq.
19. The "Empire of Man" described in Revelation is called Babylon which was a city in Iraq!
And you have probably seen this one.
Israel is the nation most often mentioned in the Bible. But do you know which nation is second? It is Iraq!
However, that is not the name that is used in the Bible. The names used in the Bible are Babylon, Land of Shinar, and Mesopotamia.
The word Mesopotamia means between the two rivers, more exactly between the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers.
The name Iraq, means country with deep roots. Indeed Iraq is a country with deep roots and is a very significant country in the Bible. Here's why.
* Eden was in Iraq--Genesis 2:10-14
* Adam &Eve were created in Iraq--Genesis 2:7-8
* Satan made his first recorded appearance in Iraq--Genesis 3:1-6
* Nimrod established Babylon & theTower of Babel was built in Iraq-- Genesis 10:8-97 & 11:1-4
* The confusion of the languages took place in Iraq--Genesis 11:5-11
* Abraham came from a city in Iraq--Genesis 11:31 &Acts 7:2-4
* Isaac's bride came from Iraq--Genesis 24:3-4 &10
* Jacob spent 20 years in Iraq--Genesis 27:42-45 &31:38
* The first world Empire was in Iraq--Daniel 1:1-2 &2:36-38
* The greatest revival in history was in a city in Iraq--Jonah 3
* The events of the book of Esther took place in Iraq--Esther
* The book of Nahum was a prophecy against a city in Iraq--Nahum
* The book or Revelation has prophecies against Babylon, which was the old name for the nation of Iraq--Revelation 17 &18
No other nation, except Israel, has more history and prophecy associated it than Iraq.
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Still a problem we created.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/20/iraq-bombings_n_3304877.html0 -
What is iraq going to be like once we leave, I mean with 120K+ troops the place is still a war zone. can you imagine whats going to happen when we leave. I think a civil war will take place. Then again I think will be there for 4+ years if not indefintely 0 -
This is a letter from Ray Reynolds, a medic in the Iowa Army
National Guard, serving in Iraq:
As I head off to Baghdad for the final weeks of my stay
in Iraq, I wanted to say thanks to all of you who did not
believe the media. They have done a very poor job of covering
everything that has happened. I am sorry that I have not been
able to visit all of you during my two week leave back home.
And just so you can rest at night knowing something is happening
in Iraq that is noteworthy, I thought I would pass this on to
you. This is the list of things that has happened in Iraq
recently: (Please share it with your friends and compare it to
the version that your paper is producing.)
* Over 400,000 kids have up-to-date immunizations.
* School attendance is up 80% from levels before the war.
* Over 1,500 schools have been renovated and rid of the weapons
stored there so education can occur.
* The port of Uhm Qasar was renovated so grain can be off-loaded
from ships faster.
* The country had its first 2 billion barrel export of oil in
August.
* Over 4.5 million people have clean drinking water for the
first time ever in Iraq.
* The country now receives 2 times the electrical power it did
before the war.
* 100% of the hospitals are open and fully staffed, compared to
35% before the war.
* Elections are taking place in every major city, and city
councils are in place.
* Sewer and water lines are installed in every major city.
* Over 60,000 police are patrolling the streets.
* Over 100,000 Iraqi civil defense police are securing the
country.
* Over 80,000 Iraqi soldiers are patrolling the streets side by
side with US soldiers.
* Over 400,000 people have telephones for the first time ever.
* Students are taught field sanitation and hand washing
techniques to prevent the spread of germs.
* An interim constitution has been signed.
* Girls are allowed to attend school.
* Textbooks that don't mention Saddam are in the schools for the
first time in 30 years.
Don't believe for one second that these people do not
want us there. I have met many, many people from Iraq that want
us there, and in a bad way. They say they will never see the
freedoms we talk about but they hope their children will. We
are doing a good job in Iraq and I challenge anyone, anywhere to
dispute me on these facts. So If you happen to run into John
Kerry, be sure to give him my email address and send him to
Denison, Iowa. This soldier will set him straight. If you are
like me and very disgusted with how this period of rebuilding
has been portrayed, email this to a friend and let them know
there are good things happening.
Ray Reynolds, SFC
Iowa Army National Guard
234th Signal Battalion
Right where I wanna be !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ATF,Eagle Guns0 -
Gun Broker and a handful of on line forums are probably the only places left in America where there is any support remaining for our staying in Iraq. Of course those same forum folks are still angry that we pulled out of Vietnam when we needed just a few hundred thousand more troops and another decade or so of spoon feeding our hand picked lackies in Saigon before we would have been victorious! 0 -
I supports the Kurds - the rest are a worthless waste of time.
I support our troops - the Democraps are a worthless waste of time.
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"i am done supporting democracy for that country. i have had enough. that country is not worth one more america life."
I couldn't put it better.
It is just like Vietnam in 1970.0 -
I care about our troop's. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by kristov
Gun Broker and a handful of on line forums are probably the only places left in America where there is any support remaining for our staying in Iraq.
wrong. why did the democrats in congress just remove their objection to a timeline and continue to fund the war ? democrats have the majority, remember ?0 -
Yup its a darn good thing the dems are in control.The republicans would of spent all the tax money by now, if it wasn't for the dems being incontrol. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by OJMayo
quote:Originally posted by kristov
Gun Broker and a handful of on line forums are probably the only places left in America where there is any support remaining for our staying in Iraq.
wrong. why did the democrats in congress just remove their objection to a timeline and continue to fund the war ? democrats have the majority, remember ?
I was agreement with you but now you say I am wrong. Fine0 -
Our efforts in Iraq are not directed towards helping the Iraqis. We have a national interest in creating a stable democracy there that will resist becoming a home base for terrorists, and provide a toehold in the Middle East for us to spread the idea of democracy.
Nothing of value is ever easy. Most people, particularly younger people, lack patience and have difficulty accepting long-term efforts to achieve desired goals.
It took 87 years to construct the Paris Cathedral. I doubt that it could be built today.
The American Revolutionary war lasted 13 years. Good thing we did it then because we'd never pull it off, now.
God created the world in 6 days. We mere mortals take a bit longer to get things done.
It is frustrating, and painful, but it's in America's best interest to see this through. If we give up, we lose what we are trying to achieve there and we reinforce the idea that all our enemies have to do is stay in the fight long enough for us to simply give up. The terrorists freely speak of our lack of will to fight a sustained campaign and how it will prove our downfall. I fear they may be right.0 -
I still support the Iraq war. For the reasons Saxonpig stated and for other reasons. One big reason is if we pull out, the Kurds will be massacred and they are good people worth protecting. And Iran will own Iraq. 0 -
SAxxon and PC - i agree with your intentionls, however, this admin and the american public have not shown a willingness to fight the war in a manner in which it needs to be fought. the american military is clearly being handicapped and clearly their mission in iraq is to "win the hearts and minds" and "not upset" the terrorists. how can there be any justification for Al-Sadr not being killed ? the reason is pandering to Shiites and trying not to upset our enemy. if thats the way america is going to fight its worse enemy in the world then as a soldier i would come home and spend my two years in jail instead of being killed over "not hurting someones feelings". 0 -
I am behind the war effort and support President Bush. He is my son's boss. 0 -
I care. After the first drop of American blood was spilled, I expect nothing less than full victory. If you cut and run, everyone who died did so in vain. No deal! 0 -
I am not a war lover.
This job is worth it.
I am sick of seeing the spilling of American blood being politicized.
I back America, the President, and Democracy and Freedom.
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I just got on here tonight, saw this thread title and had to laugh. This dead horse has been beaten into glue and the glue has long since dried! Now we're kicking at the dried glue!
I've stated my opinion many times on here. It is not popular with everybody but it is really tough to see our people getting killed every day when I can't explain what's going on there or what we even realistically expect of the place for the future. My heart hasn't been in it for the last two years.
I hate Iraq. I hate all the comparisons to our early struggles when it's not the same at all. I hate the middle east as a whole to be honest with you. It could be so easy. We've given them so much and in their eye's, it's all for nothing. Some actually hate us for it!!!
Instead of giving up and trying to live productive lives, people want to fight and die, just for the sake of dying faster. We will never relate to that and never change it. They are a different breed. Forget logic.
I've never liked the Vietnam comparisons but 1970 is pretty much where we're at with this now. It is not worth another single American life at this point. We can't go on like this. Somebody, most likely the next administration, will pull the plug on this thing. Since it's going to happen, we may as well do it now. Nobody can say we lost if we decide to leave. They sure as hell can't say we didn't try.
We're at a point where they need to let Iraqis fight for their own country or lose it. Let it happen. Let them decide. If it fails, it apparently doesn't have very far to fall from where it's at right now.
The reality is, it's a lost cause now, one way or another, and they won't pull the plug on it because it would make a couple individuals in D.C. look bad. Cut and dry.
People can say this is disrespectful all they want. I don't care. It's not intended to be. This is my opinion after a lot of thought and review. Likely more than the average American has put into it.
I'm calling a spade a spade here.0 -
I support the war - I don't like to but it is necessary. For at least one major reason. Iran. Iran's military has 900,000 soldiers at it's disposal and could and would roll over Iraq if it wasn't for us. What would happen if Iran, a country ran by radical religius zealots, controlled I believe over 15% of the worlds oil reserves. Stability in the region? Our 'allies' Israel wouldn't mind would they? We just need to build up Iraq's military so it is strong enough to at least hold off a major land offensive for enough time so we can roll on back. Unfortunately it's going to take a long time. I think that we will have permanent bases in Iraq. 0 -
Iran is a very important factor. Iran is actively engaged in killing American troops and undermining our mission in Iraq and the administration has done nothing about it. Just another example of this country and admin not being serious about winning in Iraq and winning the global war on islamic terrorism. I see no way America can allow Iran to build and have nuclear weapons. I think the path to victory in Iraq involves attacking Iran right now. I have always believed in fighting when you enemy is the weakest and I believe Iran gets stronger everyday and America is becoming weaker.
Iran, Al-Qeada, Ho Chi Min and the whole world know how to defeat America....let America defeat itself.0 -
That is your opinion. I know for a fact that we're doing a lot of good things over there. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by victorlvlb
Yup its a darn good thing the dems are in control.The republicans would of spent all the tax money by now, if it wasn't for the dems being incontrol.
That is one of the dumbest statements Ive read on this forum. If you knew any history in Political Science you would understand.0 -
As my dad's plaque asks "Why are there so many more horses asses than there are horses?" To say nothing of those idiots that wouldn't know a history book if it hit them in theirs. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by SaxonPig
Our efforts in Iraq are not directed towards helping the Iraqis. We have a national interest in creating a stable democracy there that will resist becoming a home base for terrorists, and provide a toehold in the Middle East for us to spread the idea of democracy.
Theres just one problem there, Saxon. Democracies aren't created from the outside - they're created by the people. Until the Iraqis WANT democracy, there will never be democracy (and the sad fact is, many of them don't want it, it's a foreign idea to them).
You cant force democracy. It may hold for a couple years, but if there is no common support for a democracy it will devolve into civil war and just another dictatorship.0 -
i personally dont believe that a democracy will necessarily create a country that doesnt foster terrorism. when we invaded afghanistan after 9-11 we captured al-qeada fighters from australia, britian, america, and other democratic countries. i know many people have put forth the theory that democracies will reduce and prevent breeding of islamic terrorists but i disagree with that theory. consider this...Iraq is a country of over 25 million people. america can provide the best democracy in the world for them but can we make everyone in that country happy ? the 9-11 attacks were carried out by 19 people. if america makes 24,999,981 people happy in iraq it might not matter at all. 0
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