BATFE SUV breakin-Weapons missing
From The Washington Post
7 Weapons Stolen From FBI Vehicle
SUV Randomly Broken Into Near Agent's Home; Reward Offered
By Allan Lengel
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, January 19, 2007; Page B03
Seven weapons, including two submachine guns, were stolen last weekend from an FBI agent's vehicle in Southwest Washington, the agency said yesterday.
Also taken were ammunition, a police radio, bullet-resistant vests, body armor and photography equipment, the FBI said.
The theft triggered an intensive search for the property and whoever took it. The FBI decided yesterday to seek the public's help by offering a $25,000 reward.
"We understand the seriousness of those weapons in the hands of untrained individuals," said Joseph Persichini Jr., head of the FBI's Washington field office. "We have employed significant resources and have been working on this since Saturday. We are doing everything possible to identify those responsible and recover the property."
The FBI vehicle belongs to a 35-year-old member of a special response team who was authorized to take it home. It was one of about 20 vehicles randomly vandalized in the 800 to 1100 blocks of Water Street between midnight Friday and 3 a.m. Saturday, according to D.C. police and the FBI.
A second bureau-issued car belonging to an agent at the FBI's headquarters also was vandalized, but nothing of importance was taken, authorities said. Both FBI agents live in the area and were issued vehicles to take home because of their assignments.
Persichini said one of the agents stored equipment in his vehicle, an SUV, because he has to be in a "ready position 24-7" as part of a special response team. He said that the vehicle had an alarm and that the equipment was kept in security containers that were broken into.
FBI officials will investigate to determine whether policies or procedures were violated, Persichini said, a step he described as routine.
FBI investigators are working with D.C. police; the U.S. Park Police; the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives; and the U.S. Marshals Service. As part of the inquiry, a security camera was being reviewed, Persichini said.
"We're making some progress," he said.
D.C. police, who were investigating the break-ins and other vandalism, notified the FBI about the theft about 6 a.m. Saturday, authorities said.
According to a police report, someone entered the agent's 2004 Chevy TrailBlazer after punching in the lock on the driver's door. The vehicle was parked in the marina parking lot in the 1000 block of Water Street.
The stolen items included two MP5 machine guns, an MP5 training weapon, two M4 rifles, a .45-caliber semiautomatic weapon, a Remington 870 shotgun, a police radio, bullet-resistant vests, body armor, and a camera and photo lens, according to the police report and the FBI.
Persichini said "technological adjustments" were made so the police radio was no longer functional.
The FBI said that it began investigating the matter Saturday and decided to go public yesterday to announce the $25,000 reward and enlist the public's help.
Other vehicles used by law enforcement officials have been stolen in recent years.
In June 2005, someone swiped the car of Charles H. Ramsey, the police chief at the time, a block from his home in Southwest. "Cars are getting stolen every day," Ramsey said then.
In 2000, an FBI car with weapons was stolen outside a high-rise apartment building in the 800 block of North Pitt Street in Alexandria. In 1997, an ATF agent's car was stolen from a parking lot near Stafford. A gun, two bullet-resistant vests and the agent's credentials were inside.
Bet a dollar they dont find the stuff.
Thats stupid that they would turn off the the radio's "PLL tone" to make the radio unaccessable. At least there is a possibility that the idiot would try to transmit & they could locate where their stuff is at.
Gubermint at work....
7 Weapons Stolen From FBI Vehicle
SUV Randomly Broken Into Near Agent's Home; Reward Offered
By Allan Lengel
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, January 19, 2007; Page B03
Seven weapons, including two submachine guns, were stolen last weekend from an FBI agent's vehicle in Southwest Washington, the agency said yesterday.
Also taken were ammunition, a police radio, bullet-resistant vests, body armor and photography equipment, the FBI said.
The theft triggered an intensive search for the property and whoever took it. The FBI decided yesterday to seek the public's help by offering a $25,000 reward.
"We understand the seriousness of those weapons in the hands of untrained individuals," said Joseph Persichini Jr., head of the FBI's Washington field office. "We have employed significant resources and have been working on this since Saturday. We are doing everything possible to identify those responsible and recover the property."
The FBI vehicle belongs to a 35-year-old member of a special response team who was authorized to take it home. It was one of about 20 vehicles randomly vandalized in the 800 to 1100 blocks of Water Street between midnight Friday and 3 a.m. Saturday, according to D.C. police and the FBI.
A second bureau-issued car belonging to an agent at the FBI's headquarters also was vandalized, but nothing of importance was taken, authorities said. Both FBI agents live in the area and were issued vehicles to take home because of their assignments.
Persichini said one of the agents stored equipment in his vehicle, an SUV, because he has to be in a "ready position 24-7" as part of a special response team. He said that the vehicle had an alarm and that the equipment was kept in security containers that were broken into.
FBI officials will investigate to determine whether policies or procedures were violated, Persichini said, a step he described as routine.
FBI investigators are working with D.C. police; the U.S. Park Police; the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives; and the U.S. Marshals Service. As part of the inquiry, a security camera was being reviewed, Persichini said.
"We're making some progress," he said.
D.C. police, who were investigating the break-ins and other vandalism, notified the FBI about the theft about 6 a.m. Saturday, authorities said.
According to a police report, someone entered the agent's 2004 Chevy TrailBlazer after punching in the lock on the driver's door. The vehicle was parked in the marina parking lot in the 1000 block of Water Street.
The stolen items included two MP5 machine guns, an MP5 training weapon, two M4 rifles, a .45-caliber semiautomatic weapon, a Remington 870 shotgun, a police radio, bullet-resistant vests, body armor, and a camera and photo lens, according to the police report and the FBI.
Persichini said "technological adjustments" were made so the police radio was no longer functional.
The FBI said that it began investigating the matter Saturday and decided to go public yesterday to announce the $25,000 reward and enlist the public's help.
Other vehicles used by law enforcement officials have been stolen in recent years.
In June 2005, someone swiped the car of Charles H. Ramsey, the police chief at the time, a block from his home in Southwest. "Cars are getting stolen every day," Ramsey said then.
In 2000, an FBI car with weapons was stolen outside a high-rise apartment building in the 800 block of North Pitt Street in Alexandria. In 1997, an ATF agent's car was stolen from a parking lot near Stafford. A gun, two bullet-resistant vests and the agent's credentials were inside.
Bet a dollar they dont find the stuff.
Thats stupid that they would turn off the the radio's "PLL tone" to make the radio unaccessable. At least there is a possibility that the idiot would try to transmit & they could locate where their stuff is at.
Gubermint at work....
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quote:"We understand the seriousness of those weapons in the hands of untrained individuals,"
Kinda like the DEA agent who was the only one professional enough to handle a firearm in a roomfull of kids and shot himself?0 -
...ATF will take this way on the serious side, they'll be found...guns at least.
...when they whip out the full-auto's, and pull the trigger... like to see that...[8D]
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Now that those "bad" guns are out in the hands of criminals-they should let us all buy some so that we can defend ourselves![:D] 0 -
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I would like to follow this story, I too believe its only a matter of time until the guns are found. If they only key up the radio to transmit even though it no longer recieves, it should still identify itself and location. Someone's going to feel the sting off of this one! They have so many charges they can stack on them if they are located, the words Federal Prison, and a long time, come to mind. 0 -
The last time this happened the FBI said they had taken measures to make sure it could never happen again. The sad thing is the FBI was once a professional organization with agents who could find their asses with both hands. The BATFE is even more inept than the FBI unless you need to set somebody up or raid a sleeping family. 0 -
They and we have nothing
to worry about. the legislature
has passed laws prohibting
the use of fully automatic weapons
by those not properly licensed or trained0 -
If anyone gets killed with them, can we expect the FBI to go to jail? According to the Bradys, it will be their fault, right? 0 -
Post title says, "BATFE SUV breakin...".
The article is about weapons being stolen from an FBI vehicle.0 -
He said that the vehicle had an alarm and that the equipment was kept in security containers that were broken into.
Sounds like the security containers weren't too secure.0 -
quote:Originally posted by IAMACLONE_2
7 Weapons Stolen From FBI Vehicle
SUV Randomly Broken Into Near Agent's Home;
In June 2005, someone swiped the car of Charles H. Ramsey, the police chief at the time, a block from his home in Southwest.
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7 guns in one car, 2 m4's, that guy was a mobile armory!0 -
If a private citizen with a legally-owned full-auto weapon left them stored in his vehicle and the weapon was stolen, someone would try to put him in jail. I wonder if this guy will do jail time. Isn't it always the gun owner's fault when he leaves his guns unsecured and someone steals them? 0 -
He should not be responsible and neither should you if it happened to you. What should be done is the thief should be shot if caught while committing the crime and should be sent to prison for a long time if he got caught after. The US will be a much better place when honest citizens and police can once again shoot a felon while committing or fleeing his crime. Then take his body out with the rest of the trash. 0 -
GUNFUNCO, I think his point was the agent makes his full time living enforcing unrighteous gun laws. 0 -
My point was that the problem is with the criminal. We do not know how the individual agent/officer conducted himself while he worked.
I worked in LE in kind of a controversial field as well. I tried to keep in mind the big picture. More than once I caught someone carrying illegally and sent them on their way without charging them if their story seemed reasonable and believeable (after I checked the gun to make sure it wasn't stolen or otherwise questionable).
There are a lot of good cops out there that make good judgements about who should be charged, with what, and when, even though their department policies might dictate otherwise. Many times the experienced road officer can see ways to balance the needs of the department with the needs of the honest citizens.
Let's not forget that this would likely be one of the guys that goes in when the regular cops back out and call for emergency services. I have worked with some of these guys and most have a very good head on their shoulders-going in on the REALLY bad guys so they are often more likely to be tolerant of an average "Joe-blow" who just made a dumb mistake. I think we owe him the benefit of the doubt until we know otherwise, that's all.0 -
who in the hell would leave that kind of firepower in a vehicle even if it was in a secured container? answer is-- only an assbag! and do not worry he will get nothing but a (please dont do it again routine) while his stupidity will get countless killed with his stolen weapons. He should be suspended for good!!! but you know that will NEVER happen!. If a civilian left his pistol in the car and it got stolen he would most likely be arrested and have jail time and sued and who knows what else! A double standard as always 0 -
quote:Originally posted by john w
If a civilian left his pistol in the car and it got stolen he would most likely be arrested and have jail time and sued and who knows what else!Out of curiosity, do you have personal knowledge of anyone who's ever gone to jail because their gun was stolen?0 -
quote:Originally posted by GUNFUNCO
He should not be responsible and neither should you if it happened to you. What should be done is the thief should be shot if caught while committing the crime and should be sent to prison for a long time if he got caught after. The US will be a much better place when honest citizens and police can once again shoot a felon while committing or fleeing his crime. Then take his body out with the rest of the trash.
You are correct. I was not avocating that the Agent should go to jail. I was just highlighting the hypocritical nature of our gun laws. There is no equality under the law when it comes to how it is applied to the government and the private citizen.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Txs
quote:Originally posted by john w
If a civilian left his pistol in the car and it got stolen he would most likely be arrested and have jail time and sued and who knows what else!Out of curiosity, do you have personal knowledge of anyone who's ever gone to jail because their gun was stolen?
I don't know anyone personally that this has happened to. However, many states have placed the responsibility on the gun owner and not the criminal who breaks into his home or vehicle and steals his gun and uses it in the commission of a crime. Several states (including California) have enacted firearms storage laws and have even gone so far as to require a state-approved gun safe. I keep a gun near my bed in an unlocked drawer because it is useless to me if I have to unlock a safe and load a gun before I can defend myself. If I lived in California and someone broke into my home and stole my gun and used it to murder someone while I was at work, I'd be hosed.
From a military police perspective, this story presents a case that would be equivalent to leaving your firearm unsecured. I don't know what their regulations state but military personnel would be in DEEP DOO DOO if this happened to them. Like I said, it would be treated as though you left your weapon unsecured.0 -
Five or so years ago a female FBI agent up in Queens,N.Y. had the same thing happen to her vehicle. 0 -
Good thing Gore, et al aren't in the White House; they'd have had the Park Service Police try to find 'em! 0 -
quote:Originally posted by john w
who in the hell would leave that kind of firepower in a vehicle even if it was in a secured container? answer is-- only an assbag! and do not worry he will get nothing but a (please dont do it again routine) while his stupidity will get countless killed with his stolen weapons. He should be suspended for good!!! but you know that will NEVER happen!. If a civilian left his pistol in the car and it got stolen he would most likely be arrested and have jail time and sued and who knows what else! A double standard as always
If this was what agency policy told him to do be mad at the agency not the agent. Get real, he was just doing his job the way he was told to. It's the same principle of the gun didn't kill the person, the person behind the gun did. The guns would have been just fine in the car had the thief not broken in. Hold that person highly accountable, don't crucify the guy that was just needing to be prepared to protect you at the moments notice. How many people out there regularly keep guns in their vehicles. It happens all the time. I know some cops out there that do. Just because this guy works for a federal agency don't crucify him.0 -
Federal agent, Federal vehicle. Law would be the same as if bad guy broke into Federal building and stole guns. They were secure. Read the article. They BROKE INTO the vehicle. 0
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