question for LEO
Say the cops come to a house and find marijuana and paraphernalia in that house and the mother is there should she or should she not be arrested?
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there has been much discussion on a local news website forum here where i live about the omaha shootings. the anti-gun group say that the average citizen with a gun either oc/cc should not have shot back at the mall shooter if given the opportunity. they state we do not have the needed training to go it safely. i believe one poster refered to use as "gun toting cowboy yahoos".
my questions, how much range time do you spend after the academy? i know you qualify each year, but what type of standards are you held to? (as for accuracy) thanks0 -
There's another post of a cop struggling with a suspect while people walk by and do nothing.
Have you ever had a citizen help you make an arrest, help you handcuff a subject or wrestle someone to the ground or anything like that? Did you appreciate the help or did the citizen get in the way?0 -
I have had citizen assistance in physical struggles two times.
Both times I asked for it. Both times I was very thankful for it.0 -
Personally... no. But I know a couple that have had to have assistance from bystanders. The assistance was greatly appreaciated. In one incident, the suspect was bigger and stronger. The officer ran out of steam and was starting to get his a$$ kicked. The second incident, the officer was outnumbered and getting his a$$ kicked. Cops aren't superhuman, so they were very appreciative. I think one of the Good Samaritans was picked for citizen of the year in our city. 0 -
We had an incident here in Baton Rouge a few months ago wherein a city motorman was working off-duty escorting a funeral procession. A thug ("respected businessman" in a pimped out $100K Benz) had been casually/carelessly weaving in and out of the procession. He was not part of the procession--just cruising around interfering with mourning folks. The officer had enough and pulled him over in the parking lot of an AutoZone store. Some words were exchanged between the driver and the motorman as the officer attempted to ticket the driver for improper lane usage etc. The driver, who was out of his car, proceded to thrash the officer mercilessly, knocked him to the ground and was sitting of top of him beating him in the face and screaming "You don't want to mess with me, fool!" or some such. The officer drew his weapon and fired one shot into the man's abdomen--with no response.
A citizen exiting the store heard the officer's pleas for help and hurried to his car where he kept a 1911 .45 ACP. He yelled at the man to stop hitting the cop--then fired FOUR shots into the man's chest. When he continued to batter the officer, the citizen walked behind him and fired one shot to the head. The offender died at the scene.
All upright citizens and LEO's hailed the citizen as a hero--a "Good Samaritan" in action. The man was not charged with any crime. However, the NAACP and other chronic-victim-whiner-types screamed for his head on a platter. The DA found no cause for charges and so far, the matter has been dropped. Most folks expect the hero to come under civil suit from the "righteous" victim's family. (The dead man had a history of violent behavior toward women--as well as being a semi-pro boxer with a real anger problem. He was due in court the following week to answer charges of probation violations. Because he owned a pimp-wheels auto accessories shop, he was heralded as an "upright businessman.")
From all accounts, the officer greatly appreciated his life being saved by the bystander who came to his aid.0 -
One of my co-workers had a car stopped and was preparing to arrest the driver when none other than Chuck Norris pulled up and asked if he needed any help.
He said he was OK and Mr Norris continued on his way.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Laredo Lefty
One of my co-workers had a car stopped and was preparing to arrest the driver when none other than Chuck Norris pulled up and asked if he needed any help.
He said he was OK and Mr Norris continued on his way.
He shoulda said, "No, not really. But since you're here, go ahead and kick this guys A**** !"0 -
Chuck is a reserve deputy in his home community and a big supporter of law enforcement.
BTW, he is also a big supporter of our military.
This is a picture of Mr. Norris on a morale-raising visit with our troops in Iraq. He is pictured here with my son Travis and another fellow I don't know. Bravo, Chuck!0 -
Have thankfully gotten help from citizens on a couple of occasions.. Even had my best friend called out to help me with a "shots fired" call...when my only backup was 100+ miles away.. 0 -
I am not a LEO but I would help out if I was needed. Especially where I work, as we have to have a security guard every night patrol the parking lot around my store and those nearby, due to the rise in crime lately. 0 -
The other fellow with Nunn's boy
and Norris looks similar
to a movie star I've seen.0 -
I think citizens can be a great help at times.
I would welcome the help if I was in a situation like the guy in the video was. That officer looked to be in much better shape than I am. I think he was aware of all the people watching and may not have wanted to resort to punching the guy. Police are aware of all the cameras out there and often don't want to do anything that might even remotely appear to be using excessive force.
I recall a trooper friend of mine telling me he saw a video of people driving by a guy that got a police officers gun and had the officer on his knees and then put a round into the back of the cops head. This happened while people just drove by on the freeway and the cop was held at gunpoint right on the driver's side of his patrol vehicle. He commented that even if you weren't armed, you could have hit the guy with your car.
Believe me, when you are in a "knock down, drag out" kind of fight, most officers would welcome the help. You might want to yell, something like "I'm coming to help, officer!" if it won't put YOU in more danger-this will let the officer know you aren't a friend of the bad guy.
In Michigan, a police officer can order a citizen to assist him, but most cops would rather take their lumps rather than force a citizen to intervene when they don't want to. If you offer help and the officer accepts the help, his department would probably on the hook to defend you if you got sued by the bad guy.0 -
No. But I worked mostly at night when there wasn't many people around.
But once when I was off-duty and in my own car I came upon a BP that was fighting with three illegals. I pulled up, rendered two of the illegals (they were drunk) uncouncious and put them in handcuffs in the back of the BP SUV, and the BP handled the third.
I asked the BP if he needed my name and he said no, thanks for the help, and I went on my way.
No big deal, and no paperwork.0 -
I was arresting a DWI night and the man decided he didn't want to go to jail. He swung at me and I took him down. It wasn't much of a fight, he was highly intoxicated (.33 BAC) and as a result not at all coordinated. I had him face down getting the cuffs on and I heard someone honking. A local was driving by and saw me fighting the drunk, so he honked and when I looked over he asked me if I needed any assistance. I thanked him and sent him on his way, but I was appreciative of the fact that he took the time to offer his help, and that he didn't just come running up with me not knowing who he was or what his intentions were. This was on a major highway in central Texas, and he was the only one who stopped to make sure everything was ok. 0
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