More Entering Army With Criminal Records
Boston Globe
July 13, 2007
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More Entering Army With Criminal Records
By Bryan Bender, Globe Staff
WASHINGTON -- Nearly 12 percent of Army recruits who entered basic training this year needed a special waiver for those with criminal records, a dramatic increase over last year and 2 1/2 times the percentage four years ago, according to new Army statistics obtained by the Globe.
With less than three months left in the fiscal year, 11.6 percent of new active-duty and Army Reserve troops in 2007 have received a so-called "moral waiver," up from 7.9 percent in fiscal year 2006, according to figures from the US Army Recruiting Command. In fiscal 2003 and 2004, soldiers granted waivers accounted for 4.6 percent of new recruits; in 2005, it was 6.2 percent.
Army officials acknowledge privately that the increase in moral waivers reflects the difficulty of signing up sufficient numbers of recruits to sustain an increasingly unpopular war in Iraq; the Army fell short of its monthly recruiting goals in May and June.
Since Oct. 1, 2006, when the fiscal year began, more than 8,000 of the roughly 69,000 recruits have been granted waivers for offenses ranging in seriousness from misdemeanors such as vandalism to felonies such as burglary and aggravated assault.
Army officials say the majority of such recruits committed relatively minor offenses and have not been in prison. They point out that waivers are granted only after a careful review of each soldier's history -- and only when the applicant has shown remorse or changed behavior.
But former military officials and defense specialists said they fear that enlisting more soldiers with criminal backgrounds will increase the risk of disciplinary problems and criminal activity among soldiers in uniform.
"Somebody who has demonstrated themselves to be guilty of misbehavior in civilian life has a good chance of behaving in the same way in the military," said John Hutson , judge advocate general of the Navy until 2000 and now dean of the Franklin Pierce Law Center at the University of New Hampshire.
Hutson said he witnessed the consequences of allowing former criminal offenders to join the ranks in the 1970s, the last time the military enlisted high numbers of soldiers with criminal histories. The numbers of recruits with criminal pasts who were allowed to join in the 1970s is not available, according to the Army. But Hutson said such soldiers often showed up in military court for committing new offenses.
"There were all kinds of what I call 'frustration offenses,' " he said, citing drug use, burglary, and violent behavior. "Some people are incapable of coping with the regimen of military life so they act out in all kinds of ways."
Moral waivers must be approved by an officer of the rank of lieutenant colonel or higher and are required when an Army applicant has been found guilty of committing four or more minor offenses such as littering or disorderly conduct -- or two to four misdemeanors such as larcency, trespassing, or vandalism.
Applicants who have committed a single felony such as arson, burglary, aggravated assault, breaking and entering, or marijuana possession must also receive a moral waiver to join. Applicants with more than one felony -- or with a single conviction for a more serious crime such as homicide, sexual violence, or drug trafficking -- are not eligible.
"In most cases we see, the charges were from a period of time when the applicant was young and immature," said a two-page statement from the Army Recruiting Command, based in Fort Knox, Ky., provided in response to queries from the Globe.
"We look at the recent history such as employment, schooling, references, and signs of remorse and changed behavior since the incident occurred as part of the waiver process," the statement said. "The Army does not rehabilitate enlistees who receive waivers; they have already overcome their mistakes."
Allowing former criminals to fight for their country "is the right thing to do for those Americans who want to answer the call of duty," the statement said.
But other Defense Department officials maintain that the rise in criminal waivers is also a direct result of the Army's struggle to meet recruiting targets.
"There is terrific pressure put on the recruiters," said Alan Gropman , a professor at the Pentagon's National Defense University. "They have to meet their mission so they request more waivers. In order to make the numbers they have to lower the standards."
Since 2003 the Pentagon has taken unprecedented steps to try to meet its recruiting goals, including lowering education standards, raising the maximum age, and steadily increasing the amount of bonuses for new volunteers. But granting more waivers for criminals, specialists said, could end up backfiring.
One former senior Defense official, who remains a consultant to the Pentagon, said there is growing concern in the ranks that members of street gangs have been joining the military and then engaging in criminal activity.
A spokesman for the Army's Criminal Investigative Division said he was not aware of any formal investigation into gang activity in the Army.
But David Isenberg , a senior analyst at the British American Security Information Council, a nonpartisan Washington think tank, said studies from past decades indicate that soldiers with criminal histories were more likely to violate military regulations.
"The worse . . . moral background you came from, the lousier job you did, not only in terms of your personal performance but in dragging down unit cohesion," said Isenberg, a Navy veteran.
Even some of the staunchest supporters of the Iraq war believe the Army is signing up too many people with criminal histories.
"The military depends on good order and discipline and we should be seeking the type of recruits most likely to fill that profile," said Elaine Donnelly , president of the Center for Military Readiness, a conservative advocacy group in Washington.
July 13, 2007
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More Entering Army With Criminal Records
By Bryan Bender, Globe Staff
WASHINGTON -- Nearly 12 percent of Army recruits who entered basic training this year needed a special waiver for those with criminal records, a dramatic increase over last year and 2 1/2 times the percentage four years ago, according to new Army statistics obtained by the Globe.
With less than three months left in the fiscal year, 11.6 percent of new active-duty and Army Reserve troops in 2007 have received a so-called "moral waiver," up from 7.9 percent in fiscal year 2006, according to figures from the US Army Recruiting Command. In fiscal 2003 and 2004, soldiers granted waivers accounted for 4.6 percent of new recruits; in 2005, it was 6.2 percent.
Army officials acknowledge privately that the increase in moral waivers reflects the difficulty of signing up sufficient numbers of recruits to sustain an increasingly unpopular war in Iraq; the Army fell short of its monthly recruiting goals in May and June.
Since Oct. 1, 2006, when the fiscal year began, more than 8,000 of the roughly 69,000 recruits have been granted waivers for offenses ranging in seriousness from misdemeanors such as vandalism to felonies such as burglary and aggravated assault.
Army officials say the majority of such recruits committed relatively minor offenses and have not been in prison. They point out that waivers are granted only after a careful review of each soldier's history -- and only when the applicant has shown remorse or changed behavior.
But former military officials and defense specialists said they fear that enlisting more soldiers with criminal backgrounds will increase the risk of disciplinary problems and criminal activity among soldiers in uniform.
"Somebody who has demonstrated themselves to be guilty of misbehavior in civilian life has a good chance of behaving in the same way in the military," said John Hutson , judge advocate general of the Navy until 2000 and now dean of the Franklin Pierce Law Center at the University of New Hampshire.
Hutson said he witnessed the consequences of allowing former criminal offenders to join the ranks in the 1970s, the last time the military enlisted high numbers of soldiers with criminal histories. The numbers of recruits with criminal pasts who were allowed to join in the 1970s is not available, according to the Army. But Hutson said such soldiers often showed up in military court for committing new offenses.
"There were all kinds of what I call 'frustration offenses,' " he said, citing drug use, burglary, and violent behavior. "Some people are incapable of coping with the regimen of military life so they act out in all kinds of ways."
Moral waivers must be approved by an officer of the rank of lieutenant colonel or higher and are required when an Army applicant has been found guilty of committing four or more minor offenses such as littering or disorderly conduct -- or two to four misdemeanors such as larcency, trespassing, or vandalism.
Applicants who have committed a single felony such as arson, burglary, aggravated assault, breaking and entering, or marijuana possession must also receive a moral waiver to join. Applicants with more than one felony -- or with a single conviction for a more serious crime such as homicide, sexual violence, or drug trafficking -- are not eligible.
"In most cases we see, the charges were from a period of time when the applicant was young and immature," said a two-page statement from the Army Recruiting Command, based in Fort Knox, Ky., provided in response to queries from the Globe.
"We look at the recent history such as employment, schooling, references, and signs of remorse and changed behavior since the incident occurred as part of the waiver process," the statement said. "The Army does not rehabilitate enlistees who receive waivers; they have already overcome their mistakes."
Allowing former criminals to fight for their country "is the right thing to do for those Americans who want to answer the call of duty," the statement said.
But other Defense Department officials maintain that the rise in criminal waivers is also a direct result of the Army's struggle to meet recruiting targets.
"There is terrific pressure put on the recruiters," said Alan Gropman , a professor at the Pentagon's National Defense University. "They have to meet their mission so they request more waivers. In order to make the numbers they have to lower the standards."
Since 2003 the Pentagon has taken unprecedented steps to try to meet its recruiting goals, including lowering education standards, raising the maximum age, and steadily increasing the amount of bonuses for new volunteers. But granting more waivers for criminals, specialists said, could end up backfiring.
One former senior Defense official, who remains a consultant to the Pentagon, said there is growing concern in the ranks that members of street gangs have been joining the military and then engaging in criminal activity.
A spokesman for the Army's Criminal Investigative Division said he was not aware of any formal investigation into gang activity in the Army.
But David Isenberg , a senior analyst at the British American Security Information Council, a nonpartisan Washington think tank, said studies from past decades indicate that soldiers with criminal histories were more likely to violate military regulations.
"The worse . . . moral background you came from, the lousier job you did, not only in terms of your personal performance but in dragging down unit cohesion," said Isenberg, a Navy veteran.
Even some of the staunchest supporters of the Iraq war believe the Army is signing up too many people with criminal histories.
"The military depends on good order and discipline and we should be seeking the type of recruits most likely to fill that profile," said Elaine Donnelly , president of the Center for Military Readiness, a conservative advocacy group in Washington.
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quote:Originally posted by Kodiakk
Oh ya, 6 months later the person got charged and convicted of attempted murder. To bad they had the chance to drag my name through the mud first huh?
Dude - harsh stuff, man. I've been lucky--, no, not lucky, absolutely BLESSED to have never had a horrible room mate in my life. Everyone I've ever roomed with (college and the few years after) were perfectly decent folks. I've heard some real horror stories, man.
And you didnt break the law, it sounds like. Sounds like you broke the law of being ratted out untruthfully by some nitwit.0 -
quote:Originally posted by HandgunHTR52
quote:Originally posted by FEENIX
"Army officials say the majority of such recruits committed relatively minor offenses and have not been in prison."
EMM - For the most part we are talking about somebody who "punched someone else in the face" and got charge with assault and/or battery, underage drinking, possession of a controlled substance, theft, shoplifting, vandalism (tagging mostly), and trespassing (these were the most common ones that I saw). Most of the time, if you do jail time, you wont get a waiver.
I will admit I am speaking from previous experience as I have not been in for about 6-1/2 years.
This would be the same military that said they weren't having recruiting problems, that Iraq was turning the corner, and the insurgency was on its last legs.
You'll pardon my lack of gullibility in this matter.[;)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by ElMuertoMonkey
quote:Originally posted by HandgunHTR52
quote:Originally posted by FEENIX
"Army officials say the majority of such recruits committed relatively minor offenses and have not been in prison."
EMM - For the most part we are talking about somebody who "punched someone else in the face" and got charge with assault and/or battery, underage drinking, possession of a controlled substance, theft, shoplifting, vandalism (tagging mostly), and trespassing (these were the most common ones that I saw). Most of the time, if you do jail time, you wont get a waiver.
I will admit I am speaking from previous experience as I have not been in for about 6-1/2 years.
This would be the same military that said they weren't having recruiting problems, that Iraq was turning the corner, and the insurgency was on its last legs.
You'll pardon my lack of gullibility in this matter.[;)]
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Kodiakk,
Don't you just love people who level false accusations?[xx(]
Those sorts of cowards are the lowest of the low. Sorry you had to deal with it.0 -
quote:Originally posted by ElMuertoMonkey
Kodiakk,
Don't you just love people who level false accusations?[xx(]
Those sorts of cowards are the lowest of the low. Sorry you had to deal with it.
More then you know man. This has stopped a few jobs for myself when they did a background check on me. I got the deal where you do probation and if you don't get into trouble they drop the charges, but obviously it still shows up on my record somehow since jobs have said no.0 -
What a bunch of idiots! The people who commit "crimes" are the very people you WANT to be killing and maiming the enemy. This line from the article is very telling:
Moral waivers must be approved by an officer of the rank of lieutenant colonel or higher and are required when an Army applicant has been found guilty of committing four or more minor offenses such as littering or disorderly conduct -- or two to four misdemeanors such as larcency, trespassing, or vandalism.
The military is down on tats, especially Rebel flags. Get a DUI and you are standing before the man. Does anybody understand that you don't win wars (with minimum casualties) by sending Boy Scouts into battle? The French Foreign Legion used to be composed of nothing but felons, is anyone stupid enough to say they weren't an effective fighting force?
There's nothing wrong with inducting people with less than perfect records into the military. There is much in fact to favor it.0 -
quote:Originally posted by p3skyking
What a bunch of idiots! The people who commit "crimes" are the very people you WANT to be killing and maiming the enemy. This line from the article is very telling:
Moral waivers must be approved by an officer of the rank of lieutenant colonel or higher and are required when an Army applicant has been found guilty of committing four or more minor offenses such as littering or disorderly conduct -- or two to four misdemeanors such as larcency, trespassing, or vandalism.
The military is down on tats, especially Rebel flags. Get a DUI and you are standing before the man. Does anybody understand that you don't win wars (with minimum casualties) by sending Boy Scouts into battle? The French Foreign Legion used to be composed of nothing but felons, is anyone stupid enough to say they weren't an effective fighting force?
There's nothing wrong with inducting people with less than perfect records into the military. There is much in fact to favor it.
Point of order - the Boy Scouts were formed, in part, to impart upon young men those skills that would be necessary for military service. We won WW1 and WW2 with such men.
As far as the French Foreign Legion - tell me of any other unit that celebrates is DEFEATS as much as other units. The fights they did win they won at monumental cost.
So no, we don't want felons in the US military. I'd rather have Boy Scouts.0 -
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quote:Originally posted by catpealer111
Cannon Fodder
Now if we wanted to use our felons to clear minefields, I've go no problem with that.0 -
quote:Originally posted by FEENIX
Boston Globe
July 13, 2007
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More Entering Army With Criminal Records
By Bryan Bender, Globe Staff
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Army officials acknowledge privately that the increase in moral waivers reflects the difficulty of signing up sufficient numbers of recruits to sustain an increasingly unpopular war in Iraq; the Army fell short of its monthly recruiting goals in May and June.
the facts dont back up this at all. however, the facts mean little to the boston globe.0 -
quote:Originally posted by None
quote:Originally posted by FEENIX
Boston Globe
July 13, 2007
Pg. 1
More Entering Army With Criminal Records
By Bryan Bender, Globe Staff
Army officials acknowledge privately that the increase in moral waivers reflects the difficulty of signing up sufficient numbers of recruits to sustain an increasingly unpopular war in Iraq; the Army fell short of its monthly recruiting goals in May and June.
the facts dont back up this at all. however, the facts mean little to the boston globe.
The facts are the Army did miss their recruitment goals in May and June. The story can be read here: http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/Top_News/2007/07/10/army_misses_may_june_recruiting_goals/7421/
Now if you are contesting the reason behind the shortfall, please present your "facts" in the matter. I, however, will present my supposition that perhaps recruitment goals were set high to meet the demand of two war fronts and that such numbers are unrealistic. However, if the goals have not been increased and recruiters are still missing their quotas, then the cause must lie elsewhere - perhaps in the unpopulatrity of the war in Iraq.0 -
USA is doing some recruiting in Sweden right now...Through a newspaper.However the catch is that the navy or army dont help u to get a greencard.And without a green card u cant join.
And the army or navy is'nt allowed to help the interested Swede with that.[8D]
So military dudes from over here must then marry a american girl...(HMM hehe) Or get some junkjobb over there so they get the greencard,then ditch the jobb and applie for service...0 -
DRAFTEES do make good soldiers, at least most of them, Draftee, Enlisted doesnt matter, if your a scum bag you are a scumbag. I served when there were draftees and 95 percent were excellent and many times better than the ones that enlisted. Of course back then Americans had a sense of duty and some honor, not like todays "Let someone else do it" "America owes me" attitude.
A draft today would result in nothing but a chaotic mess of missfits and malcontents.[:(]0 -
criminals need to be in the military.
1. they get a chance to pay back america for what they did wrong.
2. they get a feeling of accomplishment under strict observation.
3. they get free drug tests at random every 30 days.
4. if theyre real bad, pop positive, and do have attitiudes, the sgts will just move them forward to get an opportunity to be removed from society.[;)][B)]
5. wow, every jailors dream.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Jake_S-83
quote:Zulu7 Posted - 07/13/2007 : 9:38:05 PM
They should just reinstate the draft that way the people who don't have criminal records get to serve too.
Conscripts don't make good soldiers. The last guy I want on my team is someone who doesn't want to be there.
A good point, but how many of the enlistees are folks with few options who would not be there if the other choice was better than working at McDonalds? Sorry to say but a large percentage that we encounter are people with few or no skills, including reading, writing, and making change. There certainly are some patriots enlisting, but I fear a large percentage are those without other options. I think it would be better if all did military or other service to their country.0 -
It's mandatory here but if your helth is to crappy well no service then ofcourse..Well mandatory before at least....Damn EU !
And it's opening up a lot of doors to gov jobs.Well most employeers like to hire someone that done service before they chose someone,that were not good enought to serve.0 -
http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=5017299
They say that video is a NK nuke test.....never heard of it before......if true....who gives a rats what your criminal record is....WWIII will kill you just as quick.0 -
We all need a second chance in life ... what we do with it is a different challenge [^]. 0 -
The great majority of people commits crimes quite often, without thinking about it. They are, for the most part, misdemeanor crimes (minor crimes) but they are considered crimes none the less. Here is what I mean. At least in my state...
Go boating without enough life jackets or not have one of the proper size. Bingo- you're a criminal
Same for no fire extinguisher on your jet ski.
Pop a cap on a beer in a city park where prohibited-Yup-got you again.
Burn some shingles in your fire pile-Got You! No burning permit-got you again.
Ride your ORV down the road to a neighbors-A-ha! got you again.
Ride your snowmobile against traffic-You're had! Take off when the police try to stop you-Felony.
Fish without a license-Bad Boy! Borrow a friends license-got you both!
Try to talk the clerk at the 7-11 to sell to you after hours-got you again.
Allow your dog to run off lead when not hunting-another misdemeanor.
Give your friends the "moon" in a public place-Sex crime!
Dig up a little tree or some roots (like Ginseng) from public land-Got you too.
Spin your car around on a frozen public lake doing donuts-Reckless driving-Misdemeanor.
Let your teenage kid smoke-bad girl!
Sit on the tailgate of a friends vehicle with your gun after hunting while your buddy drives you back to the farm-Got you again.
Don't post a camp permit for your camp on state land.-Bad guy.
Switch plates on your car trailer or do something else to your plates-can be a felony.
Squirt someone with a hose that doesn't want to get wet-Assault!
Don't tag your deer or turkey or punch the tag with the proper info.-You're had. Do it over too much bait or bait at all for turkey-2 crimes.
No hunter orange when required-bad guy!
If you think about it, most of us commit crimes every day. You have to look at the seriousness of the crime.
More than once, I didn't write someone a ticket because it would keep them from getting their CCW for like 3 years.
Now, how many are still not criminals here?0
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