Can you read this and tell me-
Deep down inside you know in some twisted way this is happening on purpose? The bottom line, we still have open boarders and this kinda stuff will just lead to more gun control, To me anyway.
U.S. Guns Bolster Mexican Traffickers
MEXICO CITY (AP) -- Authorities are sounding the alarm about an influx of assault rifles, armor-piercing pistols and fragmentation grenades from the United States, weapons that they say are increasingly being used to kill police and soldiers fighting drug cartels.
U.S. and Mexican law enforcement officials report a sharp increase in both the flow and firepower of U.S. weapons across the border. Particularly worrisome are assault rifles and "cop-killer" pistols.
Mexico has strict firearms laws, few gun stores and a mere 4,300 private licensed gun holders among its 105 million people. The United States, with nearly as many guns as people, has more than 100,000 licensed gun sellers, an industry that makes about 2.8 million small arms a year, and gun laws so loose that arms traffickers easily pick up any weapons they need.
Despite Mexico's gun control laws, criminals have long smuggled guns in from the United States.
"The problem is getting bigger because the illegal possession of arms, and their clandestine introduction to our country, combines with narcotics trafficking," said a government report to Mexico's Senate in June.
It said 99.4 percent of the weapons in the hands of Mexican criminals are suspected of coming from the United States.
At least 11,752 U.S.-sold guns have been found in Mexico since January 2003 - a tiny fraction of what remains on the streets, according to the report.
It did not give figures for previous years. But one indicator of a new gun glut is the fact that hit men drop their guns at crime scenes rather than be caught with them afterward, knowing they are easily replaced, a senior U.S. law enforcement official in Mexico said on condition of anonymity for security reasons.
Particularly worrisome are U.S. sales of Belgian-made FN-57 pistols. These fire bullets that "will defeat most body armor in military service around the world today," according to the Remtek weapons site on the Internet. They sell for $800-$1,000 each at dozens of gun stores within a day's drive of the border.
The weapons were unheard of in Mexico until they were used to kill at least a half dozen police officers this year. Among them were Mexico City policemen Felix Perez and Jose Rodriguez, slain in May when a car full of suspected mobsters fired FN-57s whose bullets sliced right through the officers' body armor.
In all, about 100 Mexican officers have been slain since President Felipe Calderon launched an ambitious nationwide crackdown on the drug trade this year.
"U.S. laws allow citizens to have guns that are authentically warlike," Attorney General Eduardo Medina Mora complained at a recent news conference. "We have to find a more effective way of stopping these arms from flowing into the country and giving these gangs such significant firepower."
The U.S. Congress has so far resisted these calls. It's particularly easy to buy weapons at the thousands of U.S. gun shows held each year, where the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives stopped checking addresses of gun buyers after the National Rifle Association complained that sales plummeted.
Mexico also wants lawmakers in Washington to loosen restrictions on who can see gun-purchasing data, but that's unlikely given the strong opposition from the NRA.
The U.S. government is now restricted in many cases from sharing such information with local police departments, let alone the Mexican government, making it difficult to trace illegal guns or arrest weapons traffickers.
Mexican officials also complain that U.S. judges give firearms traffickers lighter sentences than drug dealers.
Mexican arms traffickers pay U.S. residents a profit of $20 to $200 per weapon to make purchases, the U.S. official said. The guns are then hidden in car compartments, truckloads of consumer goods and even small planes, crossing into Mexico in the same vehicles that carry cocaine, marijuana and heroin north, the official said.
The ATF says it is fighting the problem by sending more agents to the border and giving Mexico a pack of gun-sniffing Labrador retrievers this year.
U.S. officials also put blame on Mexico, saying officials rarely search southbound traffic along the border. But Mexican customs agents who do are often given a grim choice: "plata o plomo" - the silver of a bribe, or the lead of a bullet.
In February, Mexican customs agent Jorge Santillan seized a truck crossing from Brownsville, Texas, to Matamoros, Mexico, carrying a grenade launcher and 17 grenades along with 18 rifles and 17 pistols. The shipment allegedly belonged to the Zetas, a feared group of former soldiers-turned-hitmen.
Days later, the agent was shot to death with a Kalashnikov assault rifle.
Once inside Mexico, weapons are sold in black-market shops for double the U.S. price.
Mexico City gun enthusiast Daniel Aguilera described illegally buying a submachine gun from vendors in the capital's Tepito barrio who let him test the merchandise on a stack of cans in a tenement building.
"Buying a gun in Mexico is a piece of cake," Aguilera said. "You can get your hands on one in a couple of hours, if you know the right people."
U.S. Guns Bolster Mexican Traffickers
MEXICO CITY (AP) -- Authorities are sounding the alarm about an influx of assault rifles, armor-piercing pistols and fragmentation grenades from the United States, weapons that they say are increasingly being used to kill police and soldiers fighting drug cartels.
U.S. and Mexican law enforcement officials report a sharp increase in both the flow and firepower of U.S. weapons across the border. Particularly worrisome are assault rifles and "cop-killer" pistols.
Mexico has strict firearms laws, few gun stores and a mere 4,300 private licensed gun holders among its 105 million people. The United States, with nearly as many guns as people, has more than 100,000 licensed gun sellers, an industry that makes about 2.8 million small arms a year, and gun laws so loose that arms traffickers easily pick up any weapons they need.
Despite Mexico's gun control laws, criminals have long smuggled guns in from the United States.
"The problem is getting bigger because the illegal possession of arms, and their clandestine introduction to our country, combines with narcotics trafficking," said a government report to Mexico's Senate in June.
It said 99.4 percent of the weapons in the hands of Mexican criminals are suspected of coming from the United States.
At least 11,752 U.S.-sold guns have been found in Mexico since January 2003 - a tiny fraction of what remains on the streets, according to the report.
It did not give figures for previous years. But one indicator of a new gun glut is the fact that hit men drop their guns at crime scenes rather than be caught with them afterward, knowing they are easily replaced, a senior U.S. law enforcement official in Mexico said on condition of anonymity for security reasons.
Particularly worrisome are U.S. sales of Belgian-made FN-57 pistols. These fire bullets that "will defeat most body armor in military service around the world today," according to the Remtek weapons site on the Internet. They sell for $800-$1,000 each at dozens of gun stores within a day's drive of the border.
The weapons were unheard of in Mexico until they were used to kill at least a half dozen police officers this year. Among them were Mexico City policemen Felix Perez and Jose Rodriguez, slain in May when a car full of suspected mobsters fired FN-57s whose bullets sliced right through the officers' body armor.
In all, about 100 Mexican officers have been slain since President Felipe Calderon launched an ambitious nationwide crackdown on the drug trade this year.
"U.S. laws allow citizens to have guns that are authentically warlike," Attorney General Eduardo Medina Mora complained at a recent news conference. "We have to find a more effective way of stopping these arms from flowing into the country and giving these gangs such significant firepower."
The U.S. Congress has so far resisted these calls. It's particularly easy to buy weapons at the thousands of U.S. gun shows held each year, where the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives stopped checking addresses of gun buyers after the National Rifle Association complained that sales plummeted.
Mexico also wants lawmakers in Washington to loosen restrictions on who can see gun-purchasing data, but that's unlikely given the strong opposition from the NRA.
The U.S. government is now restricted in many cases from sharing such information with local police departments, let alone the Mexican government, making it difficult to trace illegal guns or arrest weapons traffickers.
Mexican officials also complain that U.S. judges give firearms traffickers lighter sentences than drug dealers.
Mexican arms traffickers pay U.S. residents a profit of $20 to $200 per weapon to make purchases, the U.S. official said. The guns are then hidden in car compartments, truckloads of consumer goods and even small planes, crossing into Mexico in the same vehicles that carry cocaine, marijuana and heroin north, the official said.
The ATF says it is fighting the problem by sending more agents to the border and giving Mexico a pack of gun-sniffing Labrador retrievers this year.
U.S. officials also put blame on Mexico, saying officials rarely search southbound traffic along the border. But Mexican customs agents who do are often given a grim choice: "plata o plomo" - the silver of a bribe, or the lead of a bullet.
In February, Mexican customs agent Jorge Santillan seized a truck crossing from Brownsville, Texas, to Matamoros, Mexico, carrying a grenade launcher and 17 grenades along with 18 rifles and 17 pistols. The shipment allegedly belonged to the Zetas, a feared group of former soldiers-turned-hitmen.
Days later, the agent was shot to death with a Kalashnikov assault rifle.
Once inside Mexico, weapons are sold in black-market shops for double the U.S. price.
Mexico City gun enthusiast Daniel Aguilera described illegally buying a submachine gun from vendors in the capital's Tepito barrio who let him test the merchandise on a stack of cans in a tenement building.
"Buying a gun in Mexico is a piece of cake," Aguilera said. "You can get your hands on one in a couple of hours, if you know the right people."
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... doesn't take a genius. All is needed is a 'concern' by Homeland Security, and a few
'Emergency Decrees' - bingo bango - ban/turn in time.[:0]0 -
Sadly I think it is all part of a bigger plan as well. Also seems that every time that more gun laws are resisted, suddenly multiple school shootings and so called serial snipers appear. Makes one wonder how this can always be a coincidence, doesn't it? 0 -
To many BS statements in there to take it seriously!
And just what in the hell is an Armor-piercing pistol?!?!?!0 -
quote:Originally posted by zipperzap
... doesn't take a genius. All is needed is a 'concern' by Homeland Security, and a few
'Emergency Decrees' - bingo bango - ban/turn in time.[:0]
That I know, But it almost seems that the government wishes to have a large enough problem to evolve south of the boarder to justify the means to "fix it here" with a blanket.0 -
quote:Originally posted by swamp_thing
Sadly I think it is all part of a bigger plan as well. Also seems that every time that more gun laws are resisted, suddenly multiple school shootings and so called serial snipers appear. Makes one wonder how this can always be a coincidence, doesn't it?
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I say let our border patrol do their job, and their agent do theirs!![:)][:)] 0 -
quote:Attorney General Eduardo Medina Mora complained at a recent news conference. "We have to find a more effective way of stopping these arms from flowing into the country and giving these gangs such significant firepower."
If you belong to a gang and are also illegal, as far as I am concerned
you HAVE NO RIGHTS-[:(!]0 -
quote:Originally posted by FrancF
quote:Attorney General Eduardo Medina Mora complained at a recent news conference. "We have to find a more effective way of stopping these arms from flowing into the country and giving these gangs such significant firepower."
If you belong to a gang and are also illegal, as far as I am concerned
you HAVE NO RIGHTS-[:(!]0 -
Ummm...you can't GET the armor-piercing ammo for the Five-seveN at gunstores in the US...the only way you can get it is if you are with a LE/Gov't agency... 0 -
Classic AP piece of work. It's like comparing the number of deaths in accidents involving SUV. Often times people driving compact cars and more likely injured than the person in the SUV so the SUV must be the agent of death.
The AP is using the same crap logic. The problem is the drug trade. That's what is creating the demand for firearms in Mexico. Take away the drug flow through Mexico to the US and you take away the arms trafficking from the US to Mexico. DUH!!!
But the drug trafficking hasn't been recognized as Mexico's problem. It's seen as America's problem, and Mexico hasn't recognized the need to solve America's problem. Of course, a strong border would help reduce both problems. Again, for other reasons, both governments refuse to admit this is a problem for other political reasons.
It's like any other problem in business or politics. You have to admit the root cause is truly the problem.0 -
I say let the gun trafficking continue!!!
As long as the drugs and and illegal aliens continue to flow into the US, then let the firearms flow back to those morons to the south.0 -
NAFTA
Nice to know that the "sucking sound works in both directions!0 -
I'm suddenly in the mood for some taco's with all this talk about mexico. 0 -
give me a site to reply to - no good without who wrote this piece of crap garbage.....[:(!] 0 -
fragmentation grenades? where in the hell do you get those in the us? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by git_r_done
To many BS statements in there to take it seriously!
And just what in the hell is an Armor-piercing pistol?!?!?!
The exact statement went through my mind upon reading that article. I wish the morons that write this stuff knew what they were talking about.0 -
quote:Originally posted by BlueTic
give me a site to reply to - no good without who wrote this piece of crap garbage.....[:(!]
Right behind ya, thinking the same-[:(!]
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quote:Originally posted by fivefivesix
quote:Originally posted by git_r_done
To many BS statements in there to take it seriously!
And just what in the hell is an Armor-piercing pistol?!?!?!
The exact statement went through my mind upon reading that article. I wish the morons that write this stuff knew what they were talking about.
It's not the morons that write this crap, it's the moronic populace that buys it. Going further, read the threads about evil man eating "pit bulls" or watch this or any other internet forum, or talk to people at work, or start a conversation with anyone for that matter, you'll always end up with the same result.0 -
CaptPlaid +1... 'cept, when the guns go over there, they get taken out of circulation. the guns, at least, are better off staying here. 0 -
I say we make a trade.
They give us back our guns and we'll give them back their illegals.
Then maybe we will all be happy!0
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