Here are two things I just don't get.
How come so many people hate Glock?
I own one, I shot several versions of one, and I have nothing but good things to say about them: they never malfunctioned on me, they are accurate, give nice groupings, have high cap mags for them, available in many calibers. From a technical standpoint it seems to be one sweet gun. Is it reasonable to hate a gun just because it was not made in USA?
How come so many people are enamored with Colt 1911 and .45ACP?
I shot several Colt colt pistols, to me, they handle worse then anything I have tried. The recoil is excessive, the mag capacity is low (lower then on .45 Glock or Tanfoglio). .45 Cartrige has low velocity and has quite some drop. Having low velocity and large surface it lacks penetration and would not go through many obstacles. Sure, it can drop anyone, but so can soft point 5.7x28.
Sure .45 makes a bigger mess, louder etc, but I still see no reason behind the round. .357 Sig is a much better round, not to mention 357Magnum for a revolver. I have shot several guns in .45 (Glock and Colt 1911), I disliked the round intensly, but Glock was much more comfortable. Do people like Colt 1911 and .45ACP only because they are "invented in USA"?
As far as "fast and small vs slow and big", Russian police actually made a study of "deadliness" of 3 rounds: 9x19, 9x18 and 7.62x25.
They studied the hit locations, range at which the victims were shot, etc. They came up with interesting data: 7.62x25 was the deadliest. It penetrated car doors, armor vests, it did not bounce of the bones, reliably destroying internal organs. Makarov 9x18 was the least deadly of all these. With 9x19 parabellum somewhere in the middle. In all cases the ammunition used was FMJ or "threaded" FMJ, also known as "Holy Cross". IT is done by making a deep X on your bullet with a sharp knife, causing a bullet to fragment.
I own one, I shot several versions of one, and I have nothing but good things to say about them: they never malfunctioned on me, they are accurate, give nice groupings, have high cap mags for them, available in many calibers. From a technical standpoint it seems to be one sweet gun. Is it reasonable to hate a gun just because it was not made in USA?
How come so many people are enamored with Colt 1911 and .45ACP?
I shot several Colt colt pistols, to me, they handle worse then anything I have tried. The recoil is excessive, the mag capacity is low (lower then on .45 Glock or Tanfoglio). .45 Cartrige has low velocity and has quite some drop. Having low velocity and large surface it lacks penetration and would not go through many obstacles. Sure, it can drop anyone, but so can soft point 5.7x28.
Sure .45 makes a bigger mess, louder etc, but I still see no reason behind the round. .357 Sig is a much better round, not to mention 357Magnum for a revolver. I have shot several guns in .45 (Glock and Colt 1911), I disliked the round intensly, but Glock was much more comfortable. Do people like Colt 1911 and .45ACP only because they are "invented in USA"?
As far as "fast and small vs slow and big", Russian police actually made a study of "deadliness" of 3 rounds: 9x19, 9x18 and 7.62x25.
They studied the hit locations, range at which the victims were shot, etc. They came up with interesting data: 7.62x25 was the deadliest. It penetrated car doors, armor vests, it did not bounce of the bones, reliably destroying internal organs. Makarov 9x18 was the least deadly of all these. With 9x19 parabellum somewhere in the middle. In all cases the ammunition used was FMJ or "threaded" FMJ, also known as "Holy Cross". IT is done by making a deep X on your bullet with a sharp knife, causing a bullet to fragment.
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I personally don't care for Glocks because I have yet to try one that fit my hand comnfortably. No good grip = no like.[;)][:D]
I like the .45 ACP because it's a nice, large round with much smoother recoil than even .40 S&W. If I can control it, I can place it. And if I can place it, I don't care what ballistic gelatin says, the idiot dumb enough to initiate a shooting response from me is going down.
I honestly don't care where my firearms are made so long as they're reliable, durable, and functional.0 -
Well for one thing my COLT 1911A1 will still sell for more each year and your Glock will only depreciate. Your 3 year old Glock will be worth 325.00 and my Colt will be worth 1500.00 or better.
Glock makes a good pistol but just doesnt have the History of the Colt firearms. Maybe in another 100 years or so glock may attain some notorioty..If they can make a pistol that doesnt have to be recalled..[}:)]0 -
I'm going too bed. I must have a fever, I agree with Monkey.[:D]
I KNOW HOW GIVES A HECKY DARN.0 -
I like the 1911 for several reasons - its kick is not too bad (although heavier than others, I'll admit). It's a very slender gun, making it great for conceal and carry. There's lots of accessories out for it and if you get a well-made 1911, it's not just good, it's GREAT. 0 -
I have two glocks and find I am not very accurate with either of them. I fight the trigger and that is probably why I am not able to produce good groups.
I have shot 45 acp since the 1960's and like the feel of a 45 in my hand and find them to be accruate, reliable, easy to master and they just look cool!
Its an opinion thing and I agree for the inexperienced gun owners the Glocks are safer and easy to point shoot. The gals love them and many shoot them well. Hard to beat the reliability of a Glock.0 -
Glocks are butt ugly and a favorite of the "homeboy" and "tactical" crowd. But they are dependable and accurate, just like a fat girl has a nice personality and can cook.[:D] 0 -
Why?...... Why because Colt 1911's were killing bad guys long before Gaston Glock was even born.[;)] 0 -
Spent $450 for an NAA Guardian. Well-made, solid, small and kicked the chit out of my palm AND beat the p*ss out of my trigger finger. Also, had a built-in need to stovepipe the last round of every mag. Traded it in.
Later on, got a Kahr PM9 that cost a small fortune with the DLC and sites. Arrived NEW filthy inside with loads of polymer flash. P-I-T-A to clean and maintain. Finickity ammo-sensitive piece of crap IMO.
The range/club at which I'm a member rents guns and Glocks are chosen 8 times out of 10. The masses beat the tar out of them, learn on them, treat them like dirt, punish them, shoot all different kinds of ammo in them, rack, tap, slap, bang, bop and drop them to tears - all day long, 7 days a week - and these Glocks just come back for more and more. As the gun is being brought back to the counter, it's being rented almost immediately to the next waiting shooter.
Certainly not the perfect gun nor is it a panacea by any stretch.
You may not like Glock for a variety of reasons and that's why HoJo's had 54 flavors at one time, but without a doubt, I believe that if you ever wanted a gun to go "bang!" when you desperately needed it the most, reached for it and pulled the trigger, I'll put my money on a Glock any day of the week.
That statement there doesn't necessarily make it the best gun made but it's a tough act to beat for what a gun was intended for. Not looks, not aesthetics, not ergonomics - reliability, a.k.a. "bang!" when you absolutely need it most.
And I don't doubt for one second that many of you have a true favorite gun (or guns) that is NOT a Glock. But that's not the point I'm trying to make.0 -
Jim, the only thing that would make your post better is if you skipped all punctuation.
Just one long paragraph of one long sentence. [:D]
What I don't understand is where all the new posters are coming from, but who sound like they've been here a long time. [Not you, Claw.]
If a Glock had a hammer strike for every trigger pull, it might be more attractive to me.0 -
I "demand" that you agree with me.
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I personally don't like colt, while its true they have a good history, a little research will tell you that remington had the superior firearm when the revolver came to be. Colt became the more popular because of their conversion kit from cap and ball to contained catridges in the 1800's. That being said, I've owned both 1911's, and glocks. While the glock has the ability to take a lot of punishment, and all ways fire, I prefer the 1911, though not the colt, rather the kimber. I like a match grade barrrell in a firearm. I like to be able to put a few hundred rounds through a handgun as quick as I can and still group about 5 inches at 30 yards. Thats why I prefer the kimber (not colt) 1911 to the glock. As far as the round goes 45 acp, yea its not the fastest, but it will do the job very well with a hardball round. I know this from experience. You can take an oak 2x4 and lay it on an embankment and shoot it with a 44 mag, and it will go straight through it. You can then do it with a 45 acp it will not only go through it, but it will break the 2x4 in half on both sides of the hole left. I've done this several times. This tells me that no matter what the ballistic gell says, the 45 acp transfers its energy to the target. I like the glocks, but I have to say, after an uncountable number of rounds through both the 1911, and the glock, the 1911 is faster on target, as it was designed to be. WIth the addition of a match grade barrel the 1911 is superior in my opinion only. While its true the glock has more rounds avaliable in the magazine, if when the barrel gets hot you can't hit a 50 gallon drum at 50 yards, what good does that do you? 0 -
If you were beginning to be encircled by ten or more belligerents in a remote place would you rather have a 1911A1 with a two mag pouch or a Glock and a two mag pouch? I'd take the greater firepower.
Been there with the 1911A1 and were it not for a pair of Canadians who showed up with Browning HiPowers, I'd be under a rice paddy.
Because of the 45ACPs high trajectory, the limited holdover ability due to a low front sight and a low mag capacity, I wouldn't want to have to deal with more than three live targets at more or less than 50 feet.0 -
I own 5 different Glocks currently, they are reliable, accuate enough for their intended purpose and although they are ugly, they are excellent firearms. It takes many rounds to master the trigger and if a person is not willing to do that, they will never get the maximum potential from a Glock.
In spite of what I just said, the 1911A1 or clones of such are still my favorite type of Handgun. Nothing feels better in my hands.0 -
quote:Originally posted by HobbyGuy
Have you looked at how long some of the so called "new posters" have been here (like myself)? You sure have an awful lot of posting for being here such a short time yourself. Are you retarded retired? [:D]
Jim
I lived in Gardner for a few months, azrriving and exiting via my thumb.
I returned seven years later, and found that the Two-bit Saloon was sold for a HALF MILLION [a big sum for such a dump], the owner had bought two choice properties in the 9 mile valley [near Devil's slide, where they were all split into 40-acres].
I always wanted to buy a chunk adjacent to a state gamesland, but again, it was the cash issue.0 -
every shooter is different. 0 -
IMNSHO, firearms should not have major structural parts made of plastic. Grips, stocks, but not frames.
We have had a few KABOOMS, due to case head separation. In the steel frame Smith & Wessons, gas venting down the mag well surprised the shooter but caused no harm. In the aluminum frame Beretta, the trigger draw bar was jarred loose, and the gun had to be disassembled and reassembled. No damage, and no new parts required. When it happened to the Glocks, they were ruined, and had to be replaced.
Lots of people like them, buy them, and carry them. I prefer metal guns. That's why there are different kinds.0 -
quote:How come so many people hate Glock? ... ... ...you're missing the point. they aren't talking about a caliber (.45), they're talking about the gun itself. they don't like it.
to address your paragraphs on the efficacy of the .45 cartridge, you made a few points but forgot many more that make a difference, such as bullet construction, bullet weight, powder used, and the application, such as what you're shooting and what you have to shoot through to get it. it all makes a specific .45 round work or not work according to the situation. compare that to the russian rounds you mentioned, and it's obvious that in some cases a particular .45 round will work much better and a particular 7.62x25 round will not. and vice versa. so that pretty much renders that entire discussion a moot point.
regarding whether or not a glock is in fact the right choice of bullet launcher, like said above, a big consideration is whether it fits your hand, and some people it just won't work for. there's nothing you can do about that.
and some people just think it's ugly.
that's why.0 -
it's not that I hate Glocks, but rather that I have not met one I liked yet.
The grips feel funny to me, add to that the DAO trigger and you have a gun that is radically different from my 1911 and my DA/SA guns, so I would have to put significant effort into being as accurate with a Glock as I am with a 1911, Beretta, Sig, etc.
While similar in design, I actually like the XD. The grips are just more comfortable enough to make it worth my while to get accustomed to the DAO action.0 -
oh, and about the 5.7x28 being effective...if Maj. Shepherd had a Tommy Gun on Stargate Atlantis, you can bet that the Wraith would stay down after a burst [;)] 0 -
If it is bad enough to take down a wraith, why didn't Oneill use it against the Gould?quote:Originally posted by KSUmarksman
oh, and about the 5.7x28 being effective...if Maj. Shepherd had a Tommy Gun on Stargate Atlantis, you can bet that the Wraith would stay down after a burst [;)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by Fatboy lives
If it is bad enough to take down a wraith, why didn't Oneill use it against the Gould?quote:Originally posted by KSUmarksman
oh, and about the 5.7x28 being effective...if Maj. Shepherd had a Tommy Gun on Stargate Atlantis, you can bet that the Wraith would stay down after a burst [;)]
the average Jaffa warrior was just your basic human with some added healing ability provided by the larval Goa'Uld. Even a 9mm was sufficient to incapacitate or kill them. The Wraith had amazing healing capacity and it took significant tissue damage to kill them.0 -
Without doubt the wraith are bad arse, the unous though were also quite bad arse when infected with a gould larva, and they weren't going to suck the life force out of you, they were going to eat you.quote:Originally posted by KSUmarksman
quote:Originally posted by Fatboy lives
If it is bad enough to take down a wraith, why didn't Oneill use it against the Gould?quote:Originally posted by KSUmarksman
oh, and about the 5.7x28 being effective...if Maj. Shepherd had a Tommy Gun on Stargate Atlantis, you can bet that the Wraith would stay down after a burst [;)]
the average Jaffa warrior was just your basic human with some added healing ability provided by the larval Goa'Uld. Even a 9mm was sufficient to incapacitate or kill them. The Wraith had amazing healing capacity and it took significant tissue damage to kill them.0 -
The Monkey man told it true. like griping a 2x4 for me, and that makes it useless. 0 -
I don't care for the way they fit my hand, don't care for the trigger, and don't like their looks. I can't think of a popular handgun that has less appeal to me personally, than a Glock. Different strokes for different folks. 0 -
... all of the above PLUS - to me - they don't 'feel' like a real handgun.
Other than THAT I suppose they are great!0 -
Guess it depends on what you're used to. I got my first Gov't Model when I was 16 and currently own five in different configurations...ranging from an as-issued 1944 Remington-Rand to a full-house IPSC "RaceGun". Over the past 20 years, I've had a few Glocks, too, and the only one I really wish I'd kept was a long-slide .40 S&W. Just don't care for plastic and, if I feel a genuine need for something with more punch than the .45 ACP, I'm going to pack a .44 Mag revolver, anyway.
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"Blue steel and walnut"
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I badmouthed Glocks before I converted and realized how good they are. Mine is plenty accurate, better than I can do with other pistols ie beretta 0
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