Army Desertion Rate Highest Since 1980
According to the Army, about nine in every 1,000 soldiers deserted in fiscal year 2007, which ended Sept. 30, compared to nearly seven per 1,000 a year earlier. Overall, 4,698 soldiers deserted this year, compared to 3,301 last year.
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What's the penalty for desertion these days?
and what's a body get for goin' AWOL?
Where do they draw the line between ""AWOL" and "Desertion"?0 -
They get a book deal, and a "Less than Honorable" discharge, if they have a bad lawyer. Look at the SOB Watada.
He gets to be on the morning shows, doesn't he?0 -
quote:Originally posted by HandLoad
They get a book deal, and a "Less than Honorable" discharge, if they have a bad lawyer. Look at the SOB Watada.
He gets to be on the morning shows, doesn't he?
And what's the deal with that. I have always been under the asumption that a person could NOT profit. from any kind of criminal activity.Like, for an example. How a con. can't sell a book about the murder he committed...0 -
So it's gone from .7% to .9%.
I don't know if I would say this is a dramatic increase or just within the normal deviation.0 -
I saw this on the news. They said that about 180 Iraq War deserters have been charged with desertion, and most all got a dishonorable discharge.
Also, said that many deserters go to Canada. But, two of them just had their cases heard by the Canadian Supreme Court, which ruled that their days of sanctuary were over, they had to go back to the U.S. and face the music.0 -
It's Bush's fault. 0 -
George Washington dealth with these types differently than we do today. 0 -
Not 100% sure but up to 30 days you are absent with out leave after that you become a deserter. AWOL can be handled as an UCMJ Article 15, as light as forfiture of rank, pay and or extra duty or brig time. Desertion is a General Courtmartial. I think in combat they can still shoot them on the spot, but that might be before the embeded press was SOP. 0 -
The reason is that they are seeing the light and converting to Islam. 0 -
I dunno...I had an ex-stepson that went awol about three yrs. ago, and was awol for over a year. The army, and crditors kept calling me, and when i found out where he was..i told them. They continued to just let him run free...was just going to let it go. Then, three yrs later, he finds out he can get a bunch of money by joining the ntl. guard, but had to clear with the army first.
So, he turns himself in to the army, and gets some kind of 30 "lock down" which didn't amount to a hill of beans. I don't know just what his discharge status is...0 -
quote:Originally posted by fishkiller41
quote:Originally posted by HandLoad
They get a book deal, and a "Less than Honorable" discharge, if they have a bad lawyer. Look at the SOB Watada.
He gets to be on the morning shows, doesn't he?
And what's the deal with that. I have always been under the asumption that a person could NOT profit. from any kind of criminal activity.Like, for an example. How a con. can't sell a book about the murder he committed...
I was wondering about something related, if someone does a crime, gets tried, but gets found not guilty (good lawyer I guess...). Then later admits to the crime, can they tried again or is it double jeporady?? Could they be retried under different charges using the admission?0 -
It's front page on military dot com. Could this be true in any way or is just another political play? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by nemesisenforcer
It's Bush's fault.
For once I agree with you.0 -
Desertion always goes up when there's a war. Alot of people join take the gamble of joining the military to get education benefits, and hope they will not be asked to put their lives at risk (IE: go to war). Then when they lose, they want out. 0 -
The so-called "desertion" epidemic is more of the liberal media's BS attempt to stir the pot.
2 x minutes on my soapbox.
What I personally find to be distasteful is the ridiculously low rate at which young men and women are opting out of serving their Nation during her time of need.
The liberals continue to spin this war as President Bush's and his alone, yet time and time again, experts in the field agree that we are at war with an enemy which has many names and locations, yet one singular goal- the destruction of the American way of life, and her people.
I am sure it seems easy to deny my assertion from the relative safe and secure location you call your living rooms, but ignoring the threat didn't work out so well for the wonderful citizens who found themselves under the control of the likes of:
1. The Soviet Union
2. Communist China
3. Nazi Germany
4. Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge
5. Communist Poland
6. Pakistan under Yahva Khan
So, sleep tight my liberal lambs, but take heart in knowing that courageous men and women are still picking up their rucksacks and doing the "nasty little work" called war at a time in which our country has called upon them. The fact that their load is all the more heavy because so many "opt out" of serving is really not a distracter, nor agitation to these folks as they have never let obstacles as petty as personal interest prevent them from doing the right thing, no matter how difficult. That attribute my friends is what truly separates soldiers from the crowd.
Well, I step firmly from my soapbox and kick it aside and prepare for the onslaught from the left. But, before you launch your attacks, I ask you to consider this observation from John Stuart Mill:
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
Cheers,
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New York Times
November 16, 2007
Canada Rebuffs 2 U.S. Deserters
By New York Times
OTTAWA, Nov. 15 - Two United States Army deserters now face being ejected from Canada after the Supreme Court of Canada said Thursday that it would not hear an appeal of their unsuccessful claims for refugee status.
The two men, Jeremy Hinzman and Brandon Hughey, came to Canada and applied for refugee status in 2004 after learning that they would be deployed to Iraq.
At an immigration hearing in 2005, Mr. Hinzman, a paratrooper in the Army from Rapid City, S.D., said he opposed the war on moral grounds and contended that the United States' military actions in Iraq violated international laws. Mr. Hughey, from San Angelo, Tex., also had a hearing in 2005.
Both men face court-martial hearings and possible imprisonment if they are returned to the United States.
The court's decision means that they will be able to stay in Canada only if they can obtain a special permit from Canada's immigration minister, a remote prospect.0 -
quote:Originally posted by ruger270man
quote:Originally posted by nemesisenforcer
It's Bush's fault.
For once I agree with you.
for the record, I was being facetious. I doubt you were.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Night Stalker
The so-called "desertion" epidemic is more of the liberal media's BS attempt to stir the pot.
2 x minutes on my soapbox.
What I personally find to be distasteful is the ridiculously low rate at which young men and women are opting out of serving their Nation during her time of need.
The liberals continue to spin this war as President Bush's and his alone, yet time and time again, experts in the field agree that we are at war with an enemy which has many names and locations, yet one singular goal- the destruction of the American way of life, and her people.
I am sure it seems easy to deny my assertion from the relative safe and secure location you call your living rooms, but ignoring the threat didn't work out so well for the wonderful citizens who found themselves under the control of the likes of:
1. The Soviet Union
2. Communist China
3. Nazi Germany
4. Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge
5. Communist Poland
6. Pakistan under Yahva Khan
So, sleep tight my liberal lambs, but take heart in knowing that courageous men and women are still picking up their rucksacks and doing the "nasty little work" called war at a time in which our country has called upon them. The fact that their load is all the more heavy because so many "opt out" of serving is really not a distracter, nor agitation to these folks as they have never let obstacles as petty as personal interest prevent them from doing the right thing, no matter how difficult. That attribute my friends is what truly separates soldiers from the crowd.
Well, I step firmly from my soapbox and kick it aside and prepare for the onslaught from the left. But, before you launch your attacks, I ask you to consider this observation from John Stuart Mill:
"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
Cheers,
NS
Good to hear from ya, Night Stalker. Hope you're around more often.
Fantastic observations as always.0 -
Attaway, Nightstalker, and a big AMEN to both your previous posts.
S'ok - we don't want any of those weenie "EMO" hippies in the forces anyway - they would just gum up the works.
I served (in a minor way - Merchant Marine Reserve), my father before me served, and my only child, my Daughter is serving right now - just now is getting all her shots, (and we who served KNOW what that means!), and my Four Forefathers (don't ask) too!
"All Volunteer" is working real well - more punch in smaller package, less losses in the "Hot Zones", less babysitting for the Sargeants, more money for force multipliers like F-22s, robots, UAVs etc, and less loose lips that sink ships.0 -
Outstanding NS, but I think you omitted:
Iraq under Saddam Houssein
Venezuela under Hugo Chavez
Cuba under Fidel/Raoul Castro0
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