Is it time to make a statement....
Voting results for 2460
Votes on Passage
Jun 13, 2007: This bill passed in the House of Representatives by voice vote. A record of each representative's position was not kept.
Dec 19, 2007: This bill passed in the Senate by Unanimous Consent. A record of each representative's position was not kept.
This is from the US Senate site on voting records...
Folks it is time, and I feel it is absolutely necessary to vote the current US Senators in each of our states out of office. As a supporter of guns rights and the 2nd I see that we have no possible avenue to retreat, and er no longer have a defense. All hope is gone unless we stand united and take the largest offensive stand against our so called representatives and win back the vote within the US Senate and of course the Whitehouse,
People HR2640 passed the Senate with unanimous approval... that means, that my Senator as well as yours has closed his ears to our voices and they are (not a single one of them) speak for me!!! In 08 1/3 of the Senate seats come up for vote... and it has come to this simple if we the supporters of the second amendment don't stand united and make a overwhelming statement with our vote then we might as well start preparing our selves for an actual surrender of of our rights.
I cannot, will not, vote for my US senator again!!!
It is more that obvious that is we don't give brand new face then our guns will be gone and one by one our freedoms will follow!!
Here in Ohio when you go driving with a Brown or Voinovich bumper sticker, look in your mirror, have a good look at a fool!!!
And the same goes for your state as well...
And now for the NRA .... They are traitors....Traitors plain and simple I made up my mind to be done with them a year ago. Quite frankly I cannot see how anyone could possiby find any justification to remain a member. In fact to me it equates hidding John Wilkes Boothe or Lee Harvey Oswald.. in you house!!! Folk their recent action are in fact on that scale.... a horrible and unforgivable traitorist act. And from this day forth when I go to a gunshow I am wearing a shirt that says NRA/Traitors and that is a fact!!!
Votes on Passage
Jun 13, 2007: This bill passed in the House of Representatives by voice vote. A record of each representative's position was not kept.
Dec 19, 2007: This bill passed in the Senate by Unanimous Consent. A record of each representative's position was not kept.
This is from the US Senate site on voting records...
Folks it is time, and I feel it is absolutely necessary to vote the current US Senators in each of our states out of office. As a supporter of guns rights and the 2nd I see that we have no possible avenue to retreat, and er no longer have a defense. All hope is gone unless we stand united and take the largest offensive stand against our so called representatives and win back the vote within the US Senate and of course the Whitehouse,
People HR2640 passed the Senate with unanimous approval... that means, that my Senator as well as yours has closed his ears to our voices and they are (not a single one of them) speak for me!!! In 08 1/3 of the Senate seats come up for vote... and it has come to this simple if we the supporters of the second amendment don't stand united and make a overwhelming statement with our vote then we might as well start preparing our selves for an actual surrender of of our rights.
I cannot, will not, vote for my US senator again!!!
It is more that obvious that is we don't give brand new face then our guns will be gone and one by one our freedoms will follow!!
Here in Ohio when you go driving with a Brown or Voinovich bumper sticker, look in your mirror, have a good look at a fool!!!
And the same goes for your state as well...
And now for the NRA .... They are traitors....Traitors plain and simple I made up my mind to be done with them a year ago. Quite frankly I cannot see how anyone could possiby find any justification to remain a member. In fact to me it equates hidding John Wilkes Boothe or Lee Harvey Oswald.. in you house!!! Folk their recent action are in fact on that scale.... a horrible and unforgivable traitorist act. And from this day forth when I go to a gunshow I am wearing a shirt that says NRA/Traitors and that is a fact!!!
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I wonder how many of the senators were not present for the rush through of the vote?
Our senator from SC stated that he would not vote for it!
I believe it was a rush through to only have those senators who would approve it present for the vote!
But since no record was kept we will never know!0 -
quote:Originally posted by git_r_done
I wonder how many of the senators were not present for the rush through of the vote?
Our senator from SC stated that he would not vote for it!
I believe it was a rush through to only have those senators who would approve it present for the vote!
But since no record was kept we will never know!
GRD.. A no vote is a vote for the opposition... You know that.. This was an attact on The Constitution, Would you have been a no show!!! No GRD not if you are still sucking air!!!0 -
I did not write this but borrowed it from another site I hang on too.
Please consider the following: The fact that this travesty was passed by secret voice vote ["Secrecy is the beginning of tyranny." - Robert Heinlein] is irrelevant. What is relevant is that was passed by unanimous consent. That means EVERYBODY [at least everybody in the SENATE] agreed to it.
Do you want to get rid of the traitors in Congress next election? Since EVERYBODY in the Senate agreed to pass the McCarthy bill, it sort of looks to me like they are ALL traitors - EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM!
Since "everybody" supposedly agreed to pass H.R. 2640, this brings up a couple of questions in my mind, to wit:
1: Did Ron Paul also vote to pass the McCarthy bill by unanimous concent?
2: If he did not, how did they get around that? If he said no, how is it unanimous consent??
I just got off the phone with Congressman Paul's office in DC and according to Adam Dick, who is on Dr. Paul's staff, here are the answers:
1: No, Dr, Paul DID NOT AGREE to pass the McCarthy bill. In fact, he wasn't even in the House when it was passed at midnight on Tuesday. When H.R. 2640 was initially presented in the House, Dr. Paul stood up and spoke against it. Regarding H.R. 2640, Ron Paul's hands are clean - period.
2: How did McCarthy and her maggots get around his opposition? Here's how: The House had adjourned for the year. There were approximately ten House members in the house chamber - special order speeches were being given. Over in the Senate, Coburn finally caved and agreed to pass the McCarthy bill at a little before midnight, giving the Senate its unanimous consent.
At that point, McCarthy hauled @$$ from the Senate to the House chamber, broke in on the special order speeches and put H.R. 2640 up for a vote. They had waited and watched until no opposing House members were present to do this.
This way, they would get a unanimous consent vote by voice - "unanimous consent" means unanimous consent of the members present at that instant, not unanimous consent of each and every one of the 435 members of the House.
On the Democrat side, McCarthy controlled their 5 minutes that are allowed for each special order speech. On the Republican side, Rep. Price of Georgia controlled the 5 minutes allowed for their rebuttal. Price is a McCarthy bill supporter, so there was no rebuttal, no debate, no recorded vote. This is how McCarthy and Price circumvented debate on the bill and got a unanimous vote.
According to Adam Dick of Dr. Paul's staff, it was a done deal in a minute and a half. He said even if those who opposed the bill were in their offices monitoring the proceedings on closed circut TV (which they do), thanks to the tag team of McCarthy and Price, an opposing Congressman would have never made it to the House chamber in time to oppose the vote and stop H.R. 2640's passage.
You wnat to know who stabbed us in the back? "Republican" Representative Price of Georgia - there's your traitor (along with the entire U.S. Senate, the Brady maggots, VPC scumbags, the NRA and the proverbial "cast of thousands" who helped out).
So there you go: The House was adjourned for the year, ten antigun bigots were present at midnight, no debate, no opposition, no recorded vote, H.R. 2640 is rammed through in nintey seconds. This is how the Political Class operates.
They will stop at nothing to destroy our right to arms.
Was it technically lawful and Constitutional? According to Adam Dick, it was. HOWEVER: He also said that a unanimous consent with no recorded vote is and has always been intended for use regarding bills where the House is in full agreement on passage BEFORE a vote is called for.
Using this procedure to pass a bill that has known opposition from other House members is a cheap shot. It is dirty pool. It is stabbing your peers in the back and McCarthy and Price know it and they don't care. They got what they wanted, and that's all that matters.
The problem with H.R. 2640 is that, in the words of Adam Dick, "It will establish a government-controlled national database of EVERYBODY." Not just gun owners - but EVERYBODY. This database will include criminal history records and ALL medical records that can and will be used by "The Government" for THEM to decide whether or not you are "fit" to purchase a gun.
The McCarthy bill is BAD news - period.
What's even worse though, is the doors it will open for the antigun bigots of the Political Class.
Think about the ramifications of this:
Antidepressant medications are the number one most prescribed class of med in the United States. If you have ever been on any of these meds, "The Government" could look at its database and decide that as a result, you are not "fit" to purchase a gun. In one fell swoop, "The Government" can declare a vast segment - likely 100 million or so - of the American people "unfit" to purchase a gun.
Undoubetedly, the tens of millions of children who were forced to take Ritalin or similar psychotrophic drugs for a diagnosis of ADD or ADHD would also be "unfit" to ever purchase a gun - all before they are even old enough to legally do so!!
The same applies to any form of care by a psychiatrist. The same applies to any counseling you may have undergone with a psychologist, marriage counselor, LCSW, or family counselor for any reason.
Did your father suddenly drop dead from a heart attack? Did it traumatize you, depress you and cause you grief for which you sought counseling? "The Government" could use that information from its database to declare you "unfit" to purchase a gun.
Of course, keeping as many people as possible from purchasing any new guns is just the first step. If a person is "unfit" to purchase a new gun, aren't they also "unfit" to possess the firearms they already own? That "loophole" (tm) will have to be closed. There's only one way to achieve that.
You can see where this is going. All it will take to make it a reality is to put someone like Clinton, Obama, Edwards, Giuliani, Romney, McCain or Thompson in the White House in 2008 and get control of the Senate and the House in the hands of the antigun/antifreedom bigots.
Once that's accomplished, GUN CONFISCATIONS will follow - and soon.
We all can now see how the antigun Political Class operates. They completely and totally reject the restraints placed upon them by the Constitution. They don't give a rat's @$$ about the rights of the people or the will of the people. Their outlook is "We'll do whatever the "F" we want and you'll like it."0 -
If what so many here predict, that millions will now be disarmed by this new bill, then the anti-gun side has done us pro-gunners a favor. Even Highball should like this turn of events. As soon as millions of gun owners are disarmed, there should be a huge avalance of anger directed towards congress by these millions of now disarmed gun owners. If that happens, not only should those disarmed gun owners get their rights back, but for good measure, while those millions are on a rampage, they should use their anger to get other gun rights back also.
In short, an "anti" organization of anything should be making a huge mistake if they sneakly pass legislation that takes away the lawful rights of lawful, peaceful citizens. That loss of rights should anger those millions of citizens unlawfully depreived of their rights to the point whereas the back-lash should just about destroy the anti (in this case guns) side of the situation. If this doesn't happen in this case then something about this situation is not what we think it is and something is very, very wrong.
Time will tell.
In addition, when these millions of gun owners lose their gun rights, maybe finally they will offer some time, money and effort working with one (or more) of the national and local pro-gun groups. Such groups have been struggling for years with only a tiny percentage of the gun owners willing to help. If losing their gun rights, with this new bill, doesn't drive millions of people into joining up and helping, for the first time in their lives, then they don't deserve to get their gun rights back.0 -
no record of how they voted huh? well thats easy then..VOTE THEM ALL OUT[;)][:(!] 0
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