LEO intimidates restaurant customers--UPDATE
Video tape is now posted: Use link below (Full story)
And we wonder why respect for police officers is deteriorating. I saw the tape on the news. The LEO is a total jack$$$. This POS needs to be retired.
"A Memphis Police Commander, the fourth in the chain of command, is under investigation for police intimidation. It all started over a table at a pancake restaurant.
Jonathan Simpson and his friends went to eat at a local restaurant last week. As they were about to sit down, they were told to move; not by the waitress but by Inspector Don Drewry of the Memphis Police Department.
In exclusive surveillance video obtained by Action News 5, Jonathan Simpson and his friends walked into the Pancake Shop on Summer Avenue.
"Ma'am do you mind if we sit here," said Simpson. The waitress nods yes. But, Inspector Don Drewry came in behind them.
"This is a police table. You have to leave," Drewry was heard saying.
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And we wonder why respect for police officers is deteriorating. I saw the tape on the news. The LEO is a total jack$$$. This POS needs to be retired.
"A Memphis Police Commander, the fourth in the chain of command, is under investigation for police intimidation. It all started over a table at a pancake restaurant.
Jonathan Simpson and his friends went to eat at a local restaurant last week. As they were about to sit down, they were told to move; not by the waitress but by Inspector Don Drewry of the Memphis Police Department.
In exclusive surveillance video obtained by Action News 5, Jonathan Simpson and his friends walked into the Pancake Shop on Summer Avenue.
"Ma'am do you mind if we sit here," said Simpson. The waitress nods yes. But, Inspector Don Drewry came in behind them.
"This is a police table. You have to leave," Drewry was heard saying.
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quote:Originally posted by dongizmo
I'l give you that, maybe in a nasty divorce, cheating wife, whatever, but again, how much leinency would a judge give joe public?
Don
Evidently a lot. I have a former friend who was arrested on a third degree felony (sale of meth), resisted arrest and hit a cop while they were trying to arrest him, ran and had to be hit with a tazzer three times.
Last month the judge sentenced him to "community supervision with no judication of guilt". In otherwords, adjuducated probation.0 -
quote:Originally posted by mlincoln
Perhaps what we can all take from this is that it's a bad idea to make generalizations about a whole group of people based on the actions of one person.
I'm sure that Nunn does a good job and is conscientious and is ethical. I would bet that 95% of cops do the same. Aside from the pension question, it seems that most of his anger and the anger of other LEOs who have contributed to this discussion stem from some people branding all LEOs as thugs because of this one fellow's actions.
Speaking of a broad brush...
What I feel most people object to is the way 95% of LEO's jump to the DEFENSE of un-lawful & criminal behavior by the other 5%. In some ways they (LEO's) remind me a lot of the NAACP in how they can turn a blind eye to the behavior of their own while pursuing the alleged wrongs of others.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Old Fool Originally posted by TrinityScrimshaw
Sorry for the long rant.
When I became an LEO I quickly learned that the only individuals who are on your side are fellow LEO's.
Trinity +++
So you think that Fire and EMS personnel are "on the other side"? You think that the Armed Forces are "on the other side"? That is the kind of attitude that makes a few LEOs look like idiots. I am USN (ret) with 23 years service. I have served in the past as a reserve LEO, as a volunteer EMT, and as the Chief of a volunteer fire department, but I am an enemy of LEOs because I am not one? Get a grip, your paranoia is showing[V][V]
So, do you think that I am "on the other side" or not??
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I wonder how many other officers were in on this charade? How many did it take to arrest the boys and tear up their car? Why didn't someone have the balls to say "hell no boss, this just ain't right". Maybe they were afraid to show disrepct to a superior officer? Looks like a good bunch of cops could have found at least one little baggie of something in the seat. Just wondering about this whole deal. Tom 0 -
This incident may well have ended with the administrator's resignation, but I still would like to know if there is more to the story, if any of you in or near Memphis can find out.
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quote:Typical mindset of LEO!
37% of LEOs abuse their spouses. Redbook magazine.
Still waiting for references. Or a retraction, whichever.0 -
quote:Originally posted by nunn
quote:Typical mindset of LEO!
37% of LEOs abuse their spouses. Redbook magazine.
Still waiting for references. Or a retraction, whichever.
What, you don't read Redbook? sheesh...[:o)][:o)]
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quote:Originally posted by nunn
quote:A Memphis Police Commander, the fourth in the chain of command
An administrator.
That means NOTHING Nunn. He is a sworn officer, period.
He may be a political appointee and that could explain it, but being an administrator has zero bearing on it. He was probably a dick when he was working the street. Becoming an administrator does not make one lose their integrity or ethics, those shortcomings already existed.0 -
quote:Originally posted by nunn
Typical???
Are you serious???? Or just looking for a fight???
Redbook???? Now, that's an authority. Redbook didn't publish ANYTHING. Some author of some article in a particular issue published some statistics. How about naming the article, author, and issue?
37%?????? No way I am buying that. Police officers probably abuse their spouses at about the same per capita rate as doctors, garbage collectors, school teachers, and cab drivers. Domestic abuse occurs at all levels of our society.
If that 37% figure is accurate, which it isn't, it means that about 19 of my co-workers are abusers. That simply isn't so.
You can be a cop-hater if you want, but if you post a ridiculous statistic, you can expect to be challenged to back it up.
The officer in this story is a turd. He also is an ADMINISTRATOR, not a real cop. He drives a desk and takes two-hour lunches.
In bold and underlined above, correct and to the point.
As to the "bold only" administrator comment. It seems as if you have a woody for people in admin. I don't know how you think your agency would run with no one administering it, or maybe it can just run itself, but I seriously doubt it.
Well, as you probably know, I am in admin. I worked my way up from patrol deputy to Captain and quite frankly, I would put my patrol, investigative, officer survival and other policing skills up against yours or anyone else's, any day of the week.
You post would have been better simply stopping at the turd comment. After that, it showed your ass.[;)]0 -
quote:Originally posted by dcon12
quote:Originally posted by nunn
quote: He should be fired and loose all retirement.
BS. Would you hold yourself up to such a harsh yardstick? I doubt it. You would be unemployed and living in poverty because of a boorish moment?
I don't know how it is in Tennessee, but in Texas, our retirement account is OURS. It ain't no welfare situation. That money is MINE. It ain't anyone's to withhold or take away. I can draw my retirement from the penitentiary, if I wind up there.
But you would give him a slap on the wrist for kidnapping? That is what he did. He had the kids arrested and held for twelve hours for a power trip. Now, what say you? Don
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quote:Originally posted by dcon12
quote:Originally posted by ElMuertoMonkey
There's good and bad to be said for everyone and, in this case, this one officer can be said to be bad.
But just as one guy going on rampage with a gun in a school does not make all male gun owners evil, neither does this guy indicate that ALL police officers are swaggering petty tyrants.
Cops put themselves in as much danger as our men and women in the military do and they do so in peacetime and wartime and with a whole hell of a lot more hostility from the home front, to boot.
But this power trip had two kids held for 2 hours against their will. That is called kidnap. It also has a hint of embarrassment to the two for being handcuffed and booked. But for someone to say that he should get 2 weeks suspension, means that it was OK. Don
More accurately, it would be Unlawful Imprisonment, since they were not held against their will for a sexual reason, for ransom, or any of the other reasons that must be present for a Kidnap charge to apply.0 -
quote:Originally posted by nunn
There is no reasonableness in hate. Sorry for ya, man.
I made some observations and reported some facts as I know them.
"No harm" means he was not injured. We can't know how he will resolve the incident within his psyche.
I had a negative experience or two with the police when I was a youngster, when I felt like the officers overstepped and mistreated me. Fortunately, I was able to put the experience in perspective and not let it ruin the rest of my life.
Not smug, just facts. It does little good to sue the individual officer. He has nothing. The agency does, and assumes liability, and even then, is covered by insurance. Even your doctor has malpractice insurance to keep you out of his pocket if he messes up. Sorry if you don't like the way things are.
Personnel issues are, by law, confidential. Sorry if you don't like that either. Maybe you can lobby to change the law.
In police work, you are only covered and immune from civil liability under the umbrella of "Qualified Immunity" IF you are acting in good faith and/or within reasonable standards and under established policy. Violating someones civil rights, or committing criminal acts under "color of authority" earns you ZERO immunity from personal civil liability, period.
The agency will eat some of the liability, simply because numbnuts works for them, but he is standing waaaay out from underneath the umbrella of "Qualified Immunity".0 -
quote:Originally posted by nunn
quote:Cops have no respect for anyone.
LOL.
Do you realize what this statement says? It says that no police officer has any respect for any human being.
That statement is nothing but a lie. Maybe the author would like to edit?
Kinda like a previous post about administrators huh? That one would lead someone to believe that all administrators are lazy, useless, take two hour lunches and ethically challenged.0 -
I have been off the internet all weekend, so I couldn't reply until this morning. Looks like I have a lot of replying to do, but I'll try and cut it short.
Tailgunner,
You won't find anything on a LEO exemption under the Lautenberg Act, there isn't one.
Old Fool
"So you think that Fire and EMS personnel are "on the other side"? You think that the Armed Forces are "on the other side"? That is the kind of attitude that makes a few LEOs look like idiots. I am USN (ret) with 23 years service. I have served in the past as a reserve LEO, as a volunteer EMT, and as the Chief of a volunteer fire department, but I am an enemy of LEOs because I am not one? Get a grip, your paranoia is showing."
Sir, in all do respect those are your words not mine. I have no problem with Fire & EMS. Both are extremely respectful public servant positions I hold in high esteem. However, I don't expect them to come to the assistance to a police officer. They do, and that is great when they do, but it is above & beyond. I have worked for the Armed Forces for 27 years in both active duty & civilian Law Enforcement positions. I don't differentiate between Military LEO & Civilian. The point I attempted to make was that an LEO can not depend on the public to come to their defense or support. Nunn is correct about the Garrity Rule. An officer under an IA investigation can not plead the 5th.
Dongizmo,
Sir I agree with everything you have said.
It496,
I too am considered an administrator in my department. I hold a senior level position, and have been with my current department for 18 years. I also know that our lower lever road patrols consider me part of the problems that they run up against. I was at their position for many years, and I understand where they are coming from, and I know they are mostly misinformed. However, I have not been at their level for sometime, I don't wear a uniform, and things have changed quite a bit sense I last wrote a ticket. As an administrator I need to be cognizant of that fact. Nunn is quite correct in his assumption of this officer (whose actions I do not support). Being a sworn officer shouldn't matter. If he was a dog catcher, or trash collector he shouldn't have done what he did.
Yawarkai,
Your community service & volunteering is commendable sir.
Whiteclouder,
I spent all weekend disgusted with myself for having allowed you to get under my skin. Nunn didn't need to cover my backside here. I am man enough to admit when I am wrong, and I was wrong for having called you a chump! I let you get my goat with I felt were your absurd remarks. Like the officer in question on this post I allowed myself to fall into a trap. He fell deeper than I did when he allowed the complainant's remarks to get under his skin. Fortunately my over reaction was not on duty while wearing a uniform dealing with the public. Had I let you antagonize mw while on duty to the point of lashing out at you in any manner I would have only played into your hand, and helped you prove your point. I have never liked being called a "COP". It is a personnel thing with me. Not that I am not proud of being one, but more so because it is so often used by the public and here on GB to describe something disgusting. I guess we should just agree to disagree, and if I offended you in any manner I apologize.
Nunn,
I'm sorry you had to clean up after me. I'll try and keep things more respectful in the future
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A whole lot of people put blind trust, and unqualified respect into the people that wear the badge. The public's trust is one hell of a gift. To violate the public's trust, and unqualified respect is more than just a regrettable mistake--It's a show of pure arrogance towards your countrymen.
That being said, I still give my blind trust, and respect to every leo in the country. If he proves to me that he is not worthy, my trust will turn to contempt, and my respect will become animosity.
The United States doesn't have any positions open for Federales, or Gestapo.
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fishermanben,
Great quote sir. If you don't mind I am going to use this in an up coming Academy Training class I have to teach.
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quote:Originally posted by TrinityScrimshaw
fishermanben,
Great quote sir. If you don't mind I am going to use this in an up coming Academy Training class I have to teach.
Trinity +++
Thank you for the complement. Feel free to use it.
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quote:Originally posted by TrinityScrimshaw
Whiteclouder,
I spent all weekend disgusted with myself for having allowed you to get under my skin. Nunn didn't need to cover my backside here. I am man enough to admit when I am wrong, and I was wrong for having called you a chump! I let you get my goat with I felt were your absurd remarks. Like the officer in question on this post I allowed myself to fall into a trap. He fell deeper than I did when he allowed the complainant's remarks to get under his skin. Fortunately my over reaction was not on duty while wearing a uniform dealing with the public. Had I let you antagonize mw while on duty to the point of lashing out at you in any manner I would have only played into your hand, and helped you prove your point. I have never liked being called a "COP". It is a personnel thing with me. Not that I am not proud of being one, but more so because it is so often used by the public and here on GB to describe something disgusting. I guess we should just agree to disagree, and if I offended you in any manner I apologize.
Nunn,
I'm sorry you had to clean up after me. I'll try and keep things more respectful in the future
I let most rejoinders pass without comment because they're usually irrelevant, or because quite frankly I have better things to do with my time. But, because you are back to driving a desk, and have found time before your two-hour lunch to waste detailing a defense to a mote point, I'll give you one more lesson.
You called me a name: a fact. You were under duress: a fact. You indulged your urge to strike out: a fact.
Now, speculate a little, purely hypothetical. I just told to your face what I thought of you and your kind. We're on a dark road far from witnesses, and maybe two or three other issues (completely aside from our present confrontation) are aggravating you. Do you simply call me `chump' and write the ticket, or do you take a tiny step further? Maybe order me out of the car and brace me, do a little searching, kick an ankle to make me widen my stance (and you KNOW that hurts) and elicit some defensive response from me. My defense can easily be reported as offense, and suddenly you have reason to do what you wanted to do when I called you a lowlife leach. (Remember, your volatility has been shown, you've indulged yourself already; you let something as innocuous and inconsequential as a comment on an internet message board get your goat.) Difference is, you now have the object of your ire standing helpless, it's your unimpeachable word against a mere citizen and you control a deadly weapon that reinforces your arrogance, asserts your power. What do you do? What comes naturally to a cop? You'll do what you want.
And you did not offend me; offence can come only from one you respect.
I see Mr. Nunn deleted his drive-by. I can always count on him.
EDIT: Mr. Nunn did not in fact delete a message. Different post.
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quote:Kinda like a previous post about administrators huh? That one would lead someone to believe that all administrators are lazy, useless, take two hour lunches and ethically challenged.
Very sorry about that. I didn't intend to tar all administrators with the same brush, but only to point out that, as fourth in command of a large PD, the administrator is pretty far removed from any real police work, and I feel little kinship with him.0 -
Whiteclouder,
Wow, you got issues don't you? I really don't want to waist my time with your rhetoric, but because you challenged my integrity I will answer you.
First I can honestly say that I would never violate your Civil Rights. I have never done that to anyone knowingly, and I pray I never will. However, if I had ever pulled you over and you copped the sanctimonious attitude you exuded here I would give you the ticket or citation you deserved. And, I would not have stopped you unless you made an infraction to begin with. Whenever I have had to stop anyone I never committed to write a citation or ticket until the person I had stopped had shown me disrespect, or they had what I felt was a bad attitude. You most likely would have fallen into the category of someone I would have written up. Please consider this the next time you come in contact with a LEO on a professional bases.
I'll stop here, because I have been taught not to cast my pearls in the direction of certain types.
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quote:I see Mr. Nunn deleted his drive-by. I can always count on him.
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There are good people...
...and bad people.
Policemen are people.
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quote:Originally posted by TrinityScrimshaw
Whiteclouder,
Wow, you got issues don't you? I really don't want to waist my time with your rhetoric, but because you challenged my integrity I will answer you.
First I can honestly say that I would never violate your Civil Rights. I have never done that to anyone knowingly, and I pray I never will. However, if I had ever pulled you over and you copped the sanctimonious attitude you exuded here I would give you the ticket or citation you deserved. And, I would not have stopped you unless you made an infraction to begin with. Whenever I have had to stop anyone I never committed to write a citation or ticket until the person I had stopped had shown me disrespect, or they had what I felt was a bad attitude. You most likely would have fallen into the category of someone I would have written up. Please consider this the next time you come in contact with a LEO on a professional bases.
I'll stop here, because I have been taught not to cast my pearls in the direction of certain types.
Trinity +++
Heh-heh. You just CANNOT resist can you? Definite sign of weakness. Question is, how deep does it go, huh?
Hint for ya, cop; quit diggin'.
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Writing a ticket because you think that some one has a "bad attitude" is a complete violation of everything that a good LEO stands for. And you think that EMS does not "come to the aid" of LEOs then you have never seen an officer down[V] 
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Old Fool,
Where did I say EMS never came to the aid of anyone? Don't be like clouder and read my words out of context. What I said was "However, I don't expect them to come to the assistance to a police officer." What I was referring to was not their job performance. What I was referring to was I don't expect them to stand up and testify in court. I don't expect them to come forward and provide a LEO's widow or child assistance. I don't expect them to donate their time or money to an LEO or their family when in need. If they do then that is great, but it isn't something to depend on. An LEO can depend on other LEO's to do this always.
Were is it written what a "Good LEO stands for"? What is your standard set by? Ask any LEO here if a persons attitude has ever caused them to decide if they were going to issue a ticket or not. This isn't anything new, and it can also affect if an arrest is going to be made.
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Been there, done that. If you ain't, you can't imagine. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by TrinityScrimshaw
Ask any LEO here if a persons attitude has ever caused them to decide if they were going to issue a ticket or not. This isn't anything new, and it can also affect if an arrest is going to be made.
Trinity +++
And herein lies the problem. The POWER TRIP! Who's COP'ing and attitude now?
"PROTECT AND SERVE"
Your job is to enforce the law, not decide to issue a ticket because you don't like someone's attitude because you just decide you don't like their attitude!
If they broke the law, issue a ticket. If they didn't, leave them be!
"ATTITUDE" doesn't enter into the equation. At least it shouldn't.
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Doncha jus' love it when someone tells ya what yer job is, and how you can do it better? Usually someone who ain't ever done the job, but seen some fellers on TV doin' it, so he knows how.
Nobody gets a ticket or gets arrested because of a bad attitude. Never did see an arrest title for "bad attitude." How it works is the officer sees a violation and detains the violator. There is a violation, now, OK? The officer gets to decide now, whether to arrest, cite, or warn, and the attitude CAN influence that decision. Ideally, the officer should have his mind made up based on the violation, but the officer is only human.
I have been doing this for about 30 years. I can count on one hand the number of people who talked themselves into a ticket or an arrest. Usually it goes the other way around, and I fall for a sad or convincing story.0 -
quote:Originally posted by nunn
The officer gets to decide now, whether to arrest, cite, or warn, and the attitude CAN influence that decision.
As it should be when the officer is dealing with immature children regardless of age. I learned that lesson dealing with dad, and when he taught a lesson, I didn't have to come back for seconds![}:)][:D][^]0 -
quote:Originally posted by dheffley
quote:Originally posted by nunn
The officer gets to decide now, whether to arrest, cite, or warn, and the attitude CAN influence that decision.
As it should be when the officer is dealing with immature children regardless of age. I learned that lesson dealing with dad, and when he taught a lesson, I didn't have to come back for seconds
Cops love yellow.
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