LEO intimidates restaurant customers--UPDATE
Video tape is now posted: Use link below (Full story)
And we wonder why respect for police officers is deteriorating. I saw the tape on the news. The LEO is a total jack$$$. This POS needs to be retired.
"A Memphis Police Commander, the fourth in the chain of command, is under investigation for police intimidation. It all started over a table at a pancake restaurant.
Jonathan Simpson and his friends went to eat at a local restaurant last week. As they were about to sit down, they were told to move; not by the waitress but by Inspector Don Drewry of the Memphis Police Department.
In exclusive surveillance video obtained by Action News 5, Jonathan Simpson and his friends walked into the Pancake Shop on Summer Avenue.
"Ma'am do you mind if we sit here," said Simpson. The waitress nods yes. But, Inspector Don Drewry came in behind them.
"This is a police table. You have to leave," Drewry was heard saying.
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And we wonder why respect for police officers is deteriorating. I saw the tape on the news. The LEO is a total jack$$$. This POS needs to be retired.
"A Memphis Police Commander, the fourth in the chain of command, is under investigation for police intimidation. It all started over a table at a pancake restaurant.
Jonathan Simpson and his friends went to eat at a local restaurant last week. As they were about to sit down, they were told to move; not by the waitress but by Inspector Don Drewry of the Memphis Police Department.
In exclusive surveillance video obtained by Action News 5, Jonathan Simpson and his friends walked into the Pancake Shop on Summer Avenue.
"Ma'am do you mind if we sit here," said Simpson. The waitress nods yes. But, Inspector Don Drewry came in behind them.
"This is a police table. You have to leave," Drewry was heard saying.
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quote:Originally posted by pickenup
A pancake restaurant???
I heard cops just ate donuts. [}:)][:D][:D][:D]
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I'm willing to bet the kid said more then "Lets leave that cop is being a jerk" quietly to his friends. 0 -
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IIRC Lautenberg has a retroactive clause that carries the LEO exception.
I won't get into speculation about how often a LEO's spouse is "discouraged" by his co-workers from filing a complaint.0 -
Please do tell.....Are you sure you are not just assuming as much? I'm not saying it has never happened, but I have never known of such an incident. I would also like to know where to find the LEO exception for the Lautenberg act, because the Department of Defense sure doesn't know about it.
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quote:Originally posted by silver6
What do ya mean if it happened that way? It's on tape!
There is still a possibility, remote as it may be, that this is not the whole story. The man should have his investigation and due process. It doesn't cost any extra and that's the right way to do it.
Some jobs come with a measure of authority. When the person possessing that authority forgets why he has that authority and where it comes from, it should be removed. However, the person or people with the authority to remove his authority need their checks and balances too. That's the reason for the investigation and due process. That's why I said "If it happened the way it appears it happened, he needs to be reduced one pay grade and given the choice of retirement or dismissal."
This should not be confused with "Innocent until proven guilty". This is a Police Administrative action, not a criminal trial.0 -
Every LEO in the country should be screaming fot this jerk's head. This (wrongly) implies that all LEO's are arrogant, power-mad bufoons.
This bozo should be terminated immediately. [:(!][:(!] If they give him his pension (at a rate at least two paygrades below commander) that is fine, since he will need the money to pay the settlement. In 23 years of service in the USN I saw careers terminated for far less outrages abuses of authority.
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What's a little false imprisonment among friends? 0 -
quote:Originally posted by mateomasfeo
What's a little false imprisonment among friends?
I haven't even gotten to the false imprisonment yet. I'm still pissed about the "police table". [:D]0 -
You know, I hate the "hire a lawyer and sue him" line, but it sure does seem to be appropriate here. The real shame of this is that the taxpayers are going to have to fork over the money this kid will get.
And I agree with the fellow who said that people have been dismissed for less. Some years ago the commandent of the naval academy lost his job after drunkenly berating the guy at the guard house. The higher up you go, the better you have to behave. Plain and simple.0 -
Remember how they treated Patton for slapping a soldier? 0 -
Yes, it has been a while since I was employed in the "private sector." Private sector employees have property rights, same as public sector employees. If you misbehave, your employer can fire you, but he can't steal your money. My retirement account is mine, and the city's contribution to it is required by law, without exception. As I stated, I can go to the penitentiary and draw my retirement.
I am still waiting for a reference on that ridiculous 37% figure. The only way anyone could come up with a figure like that, would be to include ANY sort of verbal disagreement as "abuse."
There is no LEO exception to Lautenberg. Whoever says there is, show me that, too.
I apologize for missing the arrest part. I just caught the cop being a jerk part. Oh, yes. This administrator should be dealt with, and he probably will be. It will, however, require an investigation, or maybe even two or more concurrent investigations, and will not be settled by a bunch of people debating in an internet forum.
It isn't kidnapping, either. In Texas, the offenses of False Imprisonment or Official Oppression come to mind. It will be up to the DA to decide whether to file a criminal charge.
The PD will probably conduct an internal investigation, and may take action against the administrator. Whatever is done, this part is confidential and will not be released to the public.
If the kid decides to sue, his lawyer will make more on the deal than he will. Ask mateo. The kid may have been mistreated, but he wasn't permanently harmed. It isn't going to cost the administrator anything, either. The agency has vicarious liability and deeper pockets, and probably even maintains an insurance policy against such things. I am insured for up to $1 million per occurrence should someone sue me or the city for something I did or didn't do.
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Tailgunner,
I am not trying to prove you wrong, but you are wrong.
There is no Military or Law Enforcement exceptions to the Lautenberg amendment or the 1996 Gun Control act. The Lauttenberg act was also a retroactive application with no grandfather clause. When it went into law the act caused many LEO's to ether be moved into none LEO postions within their departments, or they had to retire or be fired. This caused an even larger problem with the military.
Check out this Power Point slide the Marine Coprs uses.
https://www.marines.usmc.mil/RS/CRSC/Conference Power Point Presentations/lautenberg.ppt#256,1,
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That is ridiculous!! But it is definitely wrong to characterize all LEOs by the behavior of one. 0 -
Ya know, the table thing was arrogant, unprofessional and rude at best.
But using the "power of the badge" to intimidate, conduct unreasonable search and destruction of citizen property, and then add insult to injury with arrest for "disorderly conduct" and holding for 12 hours warrants that dipwad's firing.
The only reason he's not fired already is that he has 26 years in and he didn't kill anyone in his JBT powertrip.
"We only know one side of the story" crap is a damn cop-out (with pun fully intended) which I hear all the time these days when fascist police behavior is trying to be rationalized or justified.
Good for the Kid. He kept his head, better than I would've and now he and his friend and their lawyer will be yelling "Cha-ching!" when their suit against the cop, his partner, his supervisor and the City is settled out of Court for "an undisclosed sum" probably a mid number with about 5 zeros after it.
Public Servants take note.
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Tailgunner, we are still waiting for references. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by PATBUZZARD
That is ridiculous!! But it is definitely wrong to characterize all LEOs by the behavior of one.
Yes, it is wrong to characterize all LEO's, but do you notice how LEO's are quick to let the guy off easy? Crap, if you or I just make a false statement to a LEO we would be hung out to dry[xx(][:0]
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quote:Originally posted by dongizmo
quote:Originally posted by PATBUZZARD
That is ridiculous!! But it is definitely wrong to characterize all LEOs by the behavior of one.
Yes, it is wrong to characterize all LEO's, but do you notice how LEO's are quick to let the guy off easy? Crap, if you or I just make a false statement to a LEO we would be hung out to dry[xx(][:0]
Don
Yes indeed. It was suggested that the cop only be given 2 weeks suspension. Hell of a penalty for such behavior. I still call it kidnapping because the kids were held 12 hours for nothing. It was pointed out that cops can hold you for up to 72 hours without cause. That makes every thing all right. Don0 -
No one wants to let this bozo off easy. Neither is it reasonable to advocate stealing from him.
Arresting someone who maybe didn't need arresting is not kidnapping. Dang. Read your statutes. It's just not. There are a couple other laws that might apply, but kidnapping it ain't.
I understand the arrest was for Disorderly Conduct. I don't know about Tennessee, but in Texas, Disorderly Conduct includes using profane language in a public place. Is it possible that the kid used bad language and the video didn't pick it up?
I hope someone from this forum lives near where this happened, and maybe can keep us informed. I would like to know how it shakes out.0 -
quote:Originally posted by nunn
Arresting someone who maybe didn't need arresting is not kidnapping. Dang. Read your statutes. It's just not. There are a couple other laws that might apply, but kidnapping it ain't.
Please enlighten me on what you would call arresting someone without cause? Haveing them held for 12 hours and then saying , oops. Don0 -
quote:Public Servants take note.
As previously stated, I am covered for a numeral one followed by six zeroes. He probably has similar coverage.
You know, I have seen a few officers get into trouble for doing something stupid at work. I have seen it cost them their jobs, their licenses, maybe even some jail time, but never a money judgement. Can't get blood from a turnip, and the plaintiff's attorneys know it so they don't bother.0 -
Cops have no respect for anyone. To quote our resident cop, "The kid may have been mistreated but he wasn't permamently harmed." Wanna bet? Now we have another teen who refers to all officers as 'pigs', wouldn't trust one as far as he could throw a posthole, and rightly so. No harm, huh?
"It isn't going to cost the administrator anything, either." Tha's so smug sure, it makes me sick. Cops are not held accountable. "The PD will probably conduct an internal investigation, and may take action against the administrator. Whatever is done, this part is confidential and will not be released to the public." Can you say "fascist?"
Doin' what comes naturally, I guess.
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quote:Originally posted by nunn
No one wants to let this bozo off easy. Neither is it reasonable to advocate stealing from him.
Arresting someone who maybe didn't need arresting is not kidnapping. Dang. Read your statutes. It's just not. There are a couple other laws that might apply, but kidnapping it ain't.
I understand the arrest was for Disorderly Conduct. I don't know about Tennessee, but in Texas, Disorderly Conduct includes using profane language in a public place. Is it possible that the kid used bad language and the video didn't pick it up?
I hope someone from this forum lives near where this happened, and maybe can keep us informed. I would like to know how it shakes out.
quote:Originally posted by nunn
quote: He should be fired and loose all retirement.
BS. Would you hold yourself up to such a harsh yardstick? I doubt it. You would be unemployed and living in poverty because of a boorish moment?
I don't know how it is in Tennessee, but in Texas, our retirement account is OURS. It ain't no welfare situation. That money is MINE. It ain't anyone's to withhold or take away. I can draw my retirement from the penitentiary, if I wind up there.
Make up your mind.
I know that if I had someone arrested on a false claim I would loose my freedom, and my livelihood.
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quote:Originally posted by whiteclouder
Cops have no respect for anyone. To quote our resident cop, "The kid may have been mistreated but he wasn't permamently harmed." Wanna bet? Now we have another teen who refers to all officers as 'pigs', wouldn't trust one as far as he could throw a posthole, and rightly so. No harm, huh?
"It isn't going to cost the administrator anything, either." Tha's so smug sure, it makes me sick. Cops are not held accountable. "The PD will probably conduct an internal investigation, and may take action against the administrator. Whatever is done, this part is confidential and will not be released to the public." Can you say "fascist?"
Doin' what comes naturally, I guess.
Clouder..
So I guess what you are saying is that if Cops do wrong it is OK but they are to punish mere mortals for doing wrong because they are but mere mortals. Don0 -
There is no reasonableness in hate. Sorry for ya, man.
I made some observations and reported some facts as I know them.
"No harm" means he was not injured. We can't know how he will resolve the incident within his psyche.
I had a negative experience or two with the police when I was a youngster, when I felt like the officers overstepped and mistreated me. Fortunately, I was able to put the experience in perspective and not let it ruin the rest of my life.
Not smug, just facts. It does little good to sue the individual officer. He has nothing. The agency does, and assumes liability, and even then, is covered by insurance. Even your doctor has malpractice insurance to keep you out of his pocket if he messes up. Sorry if you don't like the way things are.
Personnel issues are, by law, confidential. Sorry if you don't like that either. Maybe you can lobby to change the law.0 -
quote:Originally posted by nunn
There is no reasonableness in hate. Sorry for ya, man.
I truly do not understand that reply. Don0 -
That's because it wasn't a reply to your post, but that other feller's. Sorry. [:D] 0 -
quote:Cops have no respect for anyone.
LOL.
Do you realize what this statement says? It says that no police officer has any respect for any human being.
That statement is nothing but a lie. Maybe the author would like to edit?0 -
stupid cop, let himself get taped doing something real stupid. Police table huh... What a loser.
So Nunn, say your the chief, and your whole town has seen this abuse of power by a member of your department, what do YOU do?
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I know what the Chief's job is, and I wouldn't have it. Sorry if that seems like a cop-out, but that is exactly why I don't take promotional exams. I don't want to be in the position to have to make such a decision.
The video looks bad, but it doesn't tell the whole story. I remember looking at two in-car videos that covered the same incident. Looking at one, it appeared that an officer made a bad decision and shot a man who was no threat. The other video, shot from a different angle, showed the bad guy had a gun and was a threat.
From what I saw, the administrator should be disciplined. The severity of said discipline is apparently a matter of some debate.0
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