retired police/federal law and new jersey
I recieved this from a former ny corrections cap't. it has to do with retired law enforcment .if you have seen this before sorry but I had not. now this just shows how screwed up new jersey is. no matter if you are retired law enforcment and covered by the new federal law.and the banning of hollow points except for current law enforcment, even if you have that elusive carry permit?
Hey folks, FYI
> Beware not to carry your weapon in New Jersey, for some reason they're
> not honoring the Federal Law H.R.218, It was verified, by me and another
> retired colleague that frequents NJ, through the NJ State Police, and the
> police supervisor stated "anyone caught with a firearm without a NJ gun
> permit, or on Official Business from their Department will be arrested", for
> Possession of a Concealed Weapon, and other charges if you have Hollow Point Rounds...
> so folks beware and be careful!
>
> Additional info on HR218.
>
> This law is going to undergo a lot of "clarifications..."This is from
> a former prosecutor and Asst. U.S. Attorney.
>
> Fact of the matter is that even if you have a permit, that and your
> retired ID is NOT SATISFACTORY under the new law (HR 218, 18 USC 926c, as
> amended) to carry without a permit. You must have a retired ID and a STATE ISSUED
>
> certification of qualification equal to the state minimum, if any, for
> active officers, or an ID from your former agency certifying you have met
> their standards for qualification for active members. The qualification must be
> renewed EVERY YEAR. Nothing has yet been set up in NY, NJ, Connecticut or
> Florida regarding the State Issued certifications, so unless you have an agency
> certification, you cannot carry concealed without a permit from the
> state in which you wish to carry (other than Vermont and Alaska which allow anybody to
> carry concealed without a license providing they are not barred by federal
> law).
>
> You should also be aware that it is UNCLEAR of the statute applies in
>
> Washington, DC, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam or any other
> non-state that is part of the U.S., irrespective of whether the officer is active or
> retired.
> That is going to require a clarification by regulation or court
> decision.
>
> Also, the statute is NOT APPLICABLE if you are active and undergoing
> disciplinary action, or for anyone, active or retired, who is
> intoxicated or under
> the influence of drugs (legal or otherwise).
>
> One final caution. New Jersey BANS the carrying of hollow-points in a
>
> concealed firearm OTHER THAN BY active law enforcement officers of New
> Jersey or the U.S. Government, or if you are in NJ on business. NJ BANS its own
> retired officers from carrying anything other than ball ammo if they have a
> permit.
> This federal law DOES NOT ADDRESS that peculiarity of NJ law. The NJSP
> firearms division is working on a determination, through the state attorney
> general, to see if this ban can be lifted for people carrying under the
> provisions of the federal statute. NOTHING HAS YET BEEN DECIDED. Lest anyone want to
> tempt fate, 2 weeks ago a retired NYPD officer who was armed (under a NY
> State retired officer permit) and defending himself against a carjacking in
> Newark, was charged with unlawful possession of a concealed weapon. Although he
> was
> issued a DAT rather than a summary arrest, his weapon was confiscated
> and the permit-issuing officer was notified. Given the unique powers of the
> county prosecutors' offices in NJ (they can exercise complete control over a
> case and supercede police action, transferring the case to their own
> investigators), one must be very careful with a firearm in NJ. If carrying under HR 218,
> don't have hollow points in the weapon.
Hey folks, FYI
> Beware not to carry your weapon in New Jersey, for some reason they're
> not honoring the Federal Law H.R.218, It was verified, by me and another
> retired colleague that frequents NJ, through the NJ State Police, and the
> police supervisor stated "anyone caught with a firearm without a NJ gun
> permit, or on Official Business from their Department will be arrested", for
> Possession of a Concealed Weapon, and other charges if you have Hollow Point Rounds...
> so folks beware and be careful!
>
> Additional info on HR218.
>
> This law is going to undergo a lot of "clarifications..."This is from
> a former prosecutor and Asst. U.S. Attorney.
>
> Fact of the matter is that even if you have a permit, that and your
> retired ID is NOT SATISFACTORY under the new law (HR 218, 18 USC 926c, as
> amended) to carry without a permit. You must have a retired ID and a STATE ISSUED
>
> certification of qualification equal to the state minimum, if any, for
> active officers, or an ID from your former agency certifying you have met
> their standards for qualification for active members. The qualification must be
> renewed EVERY YEAR. Nothing has yet been set up in NY, NJ, Connecticut or
> Florida regarding the State Issued certifications, so unless you have an agency
> certification, you cannot carry concealed without a permit from the
> state in which you wish to carry (other than Vermont and Alaska which allow anybody to
> carry concealed without a license providing they are not barred by federal
> law).
>
> You should also be aware that it is UNCLEAR of the statute applies in
>
> Washington, DC, Puerto Rico, the Virgin Islands, Guam or any other
> non-state that is part of the U.S., irrespective of whether the officer is active or
> retired.
> That is going to require a clarification by regulation or court
> decision.
>
> Also, the statute is NOT APPLICABLE if you are active and undergoing
> disciplinary action, or for anyone, active or retired, who is
> intoxicated or under
> the influence of drugs (legal or otherwise).
>
> One final caution. New Jersey BANS the carrying of hollow-points in a
>
> concealed firearm OTHER THAN BY active law enforcement officers of New
> Jersey or the U.S. Government, or if you are in NJ on business. NJ BANS its own
> retired officers from carrying anything other than ball ammo if they have a
> permit.
> This federal law DOES NOT ADDRESS that peculiarity of NJ law. The NJSP
> firearms division is working on a determination, through the state attorney
> general, to see if this ban can be lifted for people carrying under the
> provisions of the federal statute. NOTHING HAS YET BEEN DECIDED. Lest anyone want to
> tempt fate, 2 weeks ago a retired NYPD officer who was armed (under a NY
> State retired officer permit) and defending himself against a carjacking in
> Newark, was charged with unlawful possession of a concealed weapon. Although he
> was
> issued a DAT rather than a summary arrest, his weapon was confiscated
> and the permit-issuing officer was notified. Given the unique powers of the
> county prosecutors' offices in NJ (they can exercise complete control over a
> case and supercede police action, transferring the case to their own
> investigators), one must be very careful with a firearm in NJ. If carrying under HR 218,
> don't have hollow points in the weapon.
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NJ sucks.
(Like that's news to anyone?).
Another nanny state. Like 20 years of the most restrictive gun laws in the USA have stopped gun crime there?0 -
Sounds like NJ is stricter and tougher on lawful civilians and retired LEO's than it is on the criminal element. In other words, NJ seems more criminal friendly than any other state I know of. 0
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