Texas' answer to active shooters
Texas Governor Wants CCL Holders to Carry Anywhere, Any Time
Fort Worth Star-Telegram
5-1-07
AUSTIN, TEXAS - Gov. Rick Perry, mulling ways to stop the kind of murderous rampages that recently left 33 dead on a college campus in Virginia, said Monday there's one sure-fire solution he likes: allow Texans to take their concealed handguns anywhere.
Period.
Perry said he opposes any concealed gun-toting restrictions at all - whether it's in a hospital, a public school, a beer joint or even the local courthouse.
"The last time I checked, putting a sign up that says 'Don't bring your weapons in here,' someone who has ill intent on their mind - they could care less," Perry told reporters. "I think it makes sense for Texans to be able to protect themselves from deranged individuals, whether they're in church or whether on a college campus or wherever."
As reporters began clicking off a list of places where concealed permit holders face restrictions, Perry cut off the questioning and made it clear that he meant anywhere at all.
Under current law, secured airport areas, hospitals, courthouses, bars, churches and schools are among the places where weapons are or can be banned, according to the Texas Department of Public Safety.
People entering federal courts in Texas are routinely required to leave even their cell phones behind.
"Let me cover it right here," Perry said. "I think a person ought to be able to carry their weapons with them anywhere in this state if they are licensed and they have gone through the training. The idea that you're going to exempt them from a particular place is non-sense to me."
State Rep. Lon Burnam, D-Fort Worth, called Perry's proposal "a terrible idea."
"Anybody has a right to tell somebody that they can't bring their handgun into their place of business," Burnam said. "I think the governor is just overreaching in a counterproductive way and it's kind of typical (of the) governor - shoot from the hip, literally and figuratively."
Perry made the remarks at a news conference after meeting with Health and Human Services Secretary Michael Leavitt to discuss ways to prevent mass shootings and enhance school safety. The discussion stems from President Bush's drive to find solutions to such tragedies in the wake of the carnage at Virginia Tech University.
About 260,000 Texans, who have undergone mandatory background check and training, are licensed to carry a concealed weapon, records show. In the last fiscal year, 180 licenses were revoked and 493 were suspended for unknown reasons, records show.
Fort Worth Star-Telegram
5-1-07
AUSTIN, TEXAS - Gov. Rick Perry, mulling ways to stop the kind of murderous rampages that recently left 33 dead on a college campus in Virginia, said Monday there's one sure-fire solution he likes: allow Texans to take their concealed handguns anywhere.
Period.
Perry said he opposes any concealed gun-toting restrictions at all - whether it's in a hospital, a public school, a beer joint or even the local courthouse.
"The last time I checked, putting a sign up that says 'Don't bring your weapons in here,' someone who has ill intent on their mind - they could care less," Perry told reporters. "I think it makes sense for Texans to be able to protect themselves from deranged individuals, whether they're in church or whether on a college campus or wherever."
As reporters began clicking off a list of places where concealed permit holders face restrictions, Perry cut off the questioning and made it clear that he meant anywhere at all.
Under current law, secured airport areas, hospitals, courthouses, bars, churches and schools are among the places where weapons are or can be banned, according to the Texas Department of Public Safety.
People entering federal courts in Texas are routinely required to leave even their cell phones behind.
"Let me cover it right here," Perry said. "I think a person ought to be able to carry their weapons with them anywhere in this state if they are licensed and they have gone through the training. The idea that you're going to exempt them from a particular place is non-sense to me."
State Rep. Lon Burnam, D-Fort Worth, called Perry's proposal "a terrible idea."
"Anybody has a right to tell somebody that they can't bring their handgun into their place of business," Burnam said. "I think the governor is just overreaching in a counterproductive way and it's kind of typical (of the) governor - shoot from the hip, literally and figuratively."
Perry made the remarks at a news conference after meeting with Health and Human Services Secretary Michael Leavitt to discuss ways to prevent mass shootings and enhance school safety. The discussion stems from President Bush's drive to find solutions to such tragedies in the wake of the carnage at Virginia Tech University.
About 260,000 Texans, who have undergone mandatory background check and training, are licensed to carry a concealed weapon, records show. In the last fiscal year, 180 licenses were revoked and 493 were suspended for unknown reasons, records show.
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I didn't spot that one before posting the full text.
I'm also not with Perry on MANY things he does, but he's on the money with this.0 -
I think it is crazy that a person with a CHL cannot carry in a public school especially. Where I live we have a police officer on campus at the middle school. That one officer is supposed to be able to cover the whole campus. Over 1000 students. He has told me that he agrees. There are 11 teachers who hold a CHL on that particular campus but they cannot carry in the school. The officer has stated to me "Why can't I rely on these people for help if a situation were to come up".
As we all know, if someone wanted to come on to the campus and start shooting people, I do not think that they will register with the front office like any visitor is supposed to. I also think that if the "crazies" knew that there was a good chance of some of the teachers being armed, they might think twice before doing something.0 -
handgun-shaped grill,0 -
...sounds like the intent of the 2nd Amendment to me... 0 -
Hope this happens. It's logical. 0 -
Wasn't there a post on here a while back that was something about you couldn't even have a handgun in your car in Texas? I mean it was something just unbelieveable for a place like Texas should be. It was something like Kalifornicate would do. 0 -
quote:Originally posted by MT357
Wasn't there a post on here a while back that was something about you couldn't even have a handgun in your car in Texas? I mean it was something just unbelieveable for a place like Texas should be. It was something like Kalifornicate would do.
That might have been a major metrapolitan area? I don't know. I've always thought of Texas as being the most pro-concealed carry state in the nation.
Love the sound of that article. I think I'll turn the computer off on that note so I don't have to read something else that pi$$es me off.0 -
quote:vess1 Posted - 05/01/2007 : 11:00:24 PM
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Originally posted by MT357
Wasn't there a post on here a while back that was something about you couldn't even have a handgun in your car in Texas? I mean it was something just unbelieveable for a place like Texas should be. It was something like Kalifornicate would do.
That might have been a major metrapolitan area? I don't know. I've always thought of Texas as being the most pro-concealed carry state in the nation.
Love the sound of that article. I think I'll turn the computer off on that note so I don't have to read something else that pi$$es me off.
I don't think you're correct, TX specifically allows a firearm in your vehicle, and they also honor a large number of other states concealed carry permits.
They are not "the most pro-concealed carry state in the nation" however. Vermont does not require a permit, they recognize the second amendment. Florida also has "better" concealed carry laws than TX. My definition of better is the florida law-makers have hit the other states so the Florida permit is valid in nearly 40 states these days, and the dozen or so it's not honored, don't issue permits to thier own citizens.
I would consider Texas probably in the top five or ten, but not number one.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Kodiakk
Hope this happens. It's logical.
It needs to be Nation, if not world wide.0 -
quote:Originally posted by vess1
quote:Originally posted by MT357
Wasn't there a post on here a while back that was something about you couldn't even have a handgun in your car in Texas? I mean it was something just unbelieveable for a place like Texas should be. It was something like Kalifornicate would do.
That might have been a major metrapolitan area? I don't know. I've always thought of Texas as being the most pro-concealed carry state in the nation.
Love the sound of that article. I think I'll turn the computer off on that note so I don't have to read something else that pi$$es me off.
Texas had a deal about carring while traveling without a permit. The burden of proof was always on the person. The law just changed to lay the burden of proof on the state instead of the person. In other words they would have to prove you're not traveling.
Houston and a few other cities decided to arrest people regardless even if it was a no brainer they were traveling and let the courts work it out. This sucks due to you having to go to jail,court, and get a lawyer equaling all kinds of expense of money and reputation. I hope the major citys still arresting travelers for their gun get a big lawsuit or hit very hard some way for screwing over the average joe. This pisses me off if you haven't noticed.0 -
what if the person who has a ccw goes nuts later on?
sane today doesnt mean sane tomorrow. this is the MAIN ARGUEMENT the dems have against us. we need to be able to answer that.0 -
quote:Originally posted by Kodiakk
quote:Originally posted by vess1
quote:Originally posted by MT357
Wasn't there a post on here a while back that was something about you couldn't even have a handgun in your car in Texas? I mean it was something just unbelieveable for a place like Texas should be. It was something like Kalifornicate would do.
That might have been a major metrapolitan area? I don't know. I've always thought of Texas as being the most pro-concealed carry state in the nation.
Love the sound of that article. I think I'll turn the computer off on that note so I don't have to read something else that pi$$es me off.
Texas had a deal about carring while traveling without a permit. The burden of proof was always on the person. The law just changed to lay the burden of proof on the state instead of the person. In other words they would have to prove you're not traveling.
Houston and a few other cities decided to arrest people regardless even if it was a no brainer they were traveling and let the courts work it out. This sucks due to you having to go to jail,court, and get a lawyer equaling all kinds of expense of money and reputation. I hope the major citys still arresting travelers for their gun get a big lawsuit or hit very hard some way for screwing over the average joe. This pisses me off if you haven't noticed.
It's not just the major cities, my county does it too. If you have any doubts about how they are handling similar situations where you live, then you need to call the District Attorney's office and find out how they handle the cases in your county.0 -
quote:what if the person who has a ccw goes nuts later on?
It is pure paranoia to run around making decisions based on WHAT IF. You CAN NOT prepare 100% for every contingency. The chances of a LAW ABIDING citizen going nuts is probably no more than some nutjob walking into a school armed. FWIW cops and security gaurds are no more imune to "going nut" than the rest of us yet we continue to arm and use them.
I'm afraid congress is going to take away my 1st and 2nd amendment rights but that doesn't mean I think we should disolve congress (just vote out the bad reps)!0 -
quote:Originally posted by bobski
what if the person who has a ccw goes nuts later on?
sane today doesnt mean sane tomorrow. this is the MAIN ARGUEMENT the dems have against us. we need to be able to answer that.
Simple answer. If you are truly going to have a free country, and allow as much freedom to the citizens as you possible can, then you have to accept that sometimes that freedom will be misused and/or deliver unhappy results to us.
That is one price of freedom since freedom is not free.0
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